I will be stunned if ND gets physically sent to the Phantoms at any point during his contract. Torts "respects" him too much for that. At least in my opinion.
- mickel25

I agree but it is 1 of the options. I think they buy him out.

jd250 is doing what he always does. Misunderstanding the facts. He is confusing things and claiming that Gauthier wanted a guaranteed roster spot. What Gauthier wanted is what every other top player in his situation wanted. He wanted to sign and play for the Flyers down the stretch of the 22-23 season, because you have to play to do it, and burn off the first year of his ELC. He did not ask for a future guaranteed roster spot beyond that.
- MJL

“What gauthier wanted is what every other top prospect wanted”

That is 100% correct

And that is also why he would NOT have stayed in school for 4 years.

And the reason the colossal mistake was trading him and not not signing him in March. Because if Philly simply made the situation public and told the agent he are not trading him and put their foot down he would’ve came to table and signed his elc.

And he’d be in lineup with mm come October and been happy as pigpoop and the fans would be cheering and clapping like crazy

jd250 is doing what he always does. Misunderstanding the facts. He is confusing things and claiming that Gauthier wanted a guaranteed roster spot. What Gauthier wanted is what every other top player in his situation wanted. He wanted to sign and play for the Flyers down the stretch of the 22-23 season, because you have to play to do it, and burn off the first year of his ELC. He did not ask for a future guaranteed roster spot beyond that.
- MJL

I am just going by what was reported. I wasn't on the Zoom call and neither were you. You want to believe that the Flyers screwed up because this is always what you expect and want to believe. Maybe they did screw up. Maybe Quitter just wanted to burn 1 year of his ELC. In the end Quitter is in the same spot now that he would have been if he had simply signed with the Flyers last year in that he has two years remaining on his ELC. The difference is instead of having only 1 pro game under this belt, he would have had an entire season of pro experience, either in the NHL or the AHL. He set himself back a year just to stick it to the Flyers. Combine this with his comments at world championships and his comments at the final 4 this past year, and I can only conclude the kid has serious character issues and is not getting good advice.

“What gauthier wanted is what every other top prospect wanted”

That is 100% correct

And that is also why he would NOT have stayed in school for 4 years.

And the reason the colossal mistake was trading him and not not signing him in March. Because if Philly simply made the situation public and told the agent he are not trading him and put their foot down he would’ve came to table and signed his elc.

And he’d be in lineup with mm come October and been happy as pigpoop and the fans would be cheering and clapping like crazy
- Stayin alive

I think the Flyers saw that as a PR nightmare right or wrong. Right or wrong I think they believed that would turn the fan base against the kid before he even started playing.

Well there's also Couturier. I don't think you can blame the scouting department for him having back issues 11 years later.
- Feanor

The disappointment for Coots mostly came at the front end of his career.

He never really matched the pre-draft expectation of being a 1OA quality prospect and took quite awhile to get going offensively (partly thanks to Chief).

He's had a fine career after that, of course.

Ok, so what you saying is you believe Jones and Briere are lying. I guess we will see.
- jd250

You don’t view their talking points with any semblance of skepticism? It’s quite possible that the Flyers front office is being less than truthful. I means, potentially out of necessity, they told us last year there was nothing to be co serves about and they didnt. know why Quitter was not in prospect camp. Like I said, even if out of necessity to protect assets they weren’t completely truthful. So we’re ok with misrepresenting the facts in order to keep people from investing hundreds if not thousands of dollars in advertising, tickets, jerseys etc ?

“It’s been reported. “ “it came down to flyers not wanting to pay him”

Is this logical?
No
Could it have been a factor?
Yes certainly
We don’t know the reason because db has never publicly said what the reason for not signing cutter In March.


The story ends there. Ef claims one thing. Mjl claims another. Asf claims another. I claim another. You claim another. It’s all bs. WE SIMPLY DONT KNOW FOR SURE.


Hers what facts are that we do know and they are undisputable


1) cutter wasn’t signed in March. Had to return for year 2 off college and was obviously upset


2) cutter ghosted and stopped communicating directly with team. All communication through agent


3) philly decided and executed a trade

4) philly had 100% control of player under the cba and it was 100 % their decision how to play their hand.


In the final analysis these are the only facts that are undisputed and the rest is he said she said from people that aren’t the direct source. In court this is called hearsay and I object. I don’t care what the “word” from Philly is according to ef. HEARSAY. I don’t care what the word from Bundy is from his agent HEARSAY.


the RESULTS are 100% on db and flyers because they had 100% control of the situation under the cba.
- Stayin alive

They were both within their rights under the CBA and I think we all agree that DB mishandled it regardless of how it started.

By the way JD, I give you credit and anise you for your deep positive outlook on so many things! I hate the fact that I’ve become so cynical and wish I had your optimism with this team! Every day I hope and wish you are right in your optimism and would gladly give you pros and buy you a beer at a Broad Street Cup Parade.

The disappointment for Coots mostly came at the front end of his career.

He never really matched the pre-draft expectation of being a 1OA quality prospect and took quite awhile to get going offensively (partly thanks to Chief).

He's had a fine career after that, of course.
- Tomahawk

The Mono didn't help.

They will not have that much money left after signing their RFAs. I'm assuming Frost is gone after this season if not before, and they will sign a veteran 2C. If Michkov hits for a lot of his bonuses in 24-25 that will add a decent penalty cause they seem almost certain to be using LTIR all season.

CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster

FORWARDS (13)
Right Wing: Travis Konecny ($9,000,000) - Matvei Michkov ($950,000) - Bobby Brink ($1,500,000) - Garnet Hathaway ($2,400,000)
Centre: Sean Couturier ($7,750,000) - Scott Laughton ($3,000,000) - Ryan Poehling ($1,900,000)
Left Wing: Owen Tippett ($6,200,000) - Joel Farabee ($5,000,000) - Tyson Foerster ($3,000,000) - Noah Cates ($3,000,000) - Nicolas Deslauriers ($1,750,000)

DEFENSE (7)
Right: Travis Sanheim ($6,250,000) - Jamie Drysdale ($2,300,000) - Rasmus Ristolainen ($5,100,000)
Left: Cam York ($6,000,000) - Nick Seeler ($2,700,000) - Yegor Zamula ($1,700,000) - Emil Andrae ($903,333)

GOALTENDER (2)
Ivan Fedotov ($3,275,000) - Samuel Ersson ($1,450,000)

BUYOUTS (2)
Cam Atkinson ($1,758,333) - Ilya Bryzgalov ($0)

RETAINED SALARY TRANSACTIONS (1)
Kevin Hayes ($3,571,428)

DETAILS
Roster Size: 21
Salary Cap: $92,000,000
Cap Hit: $86,708,094
Cap Space: $5,291,906
- Feanor

(frank)ing winner !!! WE HAVE A WINNER!!!! There is no dead cap relief coming. There is no cap rising relief coming. THERE IS NO TOMORROW!!! THERE IS NO TOMORROW!!!!


You have players that will need to be signed. You have a massive mm contract extension coming you still have these horrible contract recently signed that likely will be some form of bought out or retained on. You still have whatever they take on in near future to facilitate trade or moves to comply cap. With each seeler nd gh ej tk etc etc etc contract they do it affects cap down the line.


People think it’s easy to remove it. It’s not. That’s why it’s cap hell.

THE ONLY WAY TO FIX THIS IS TO STOP GIVING THESE DEALS OUT AND SHED THE CONTRACTS ESPECIALLY FOR PLAYERS WITH SOME VALUE.

That is step 1.

They can’t get that right. Never will. So every move they make after will haunt them at some point in both the near and long future.


I love reading people comment on free agents dead cap falling cap rising etc etc thinking there is a path with these things when in reality step 1 was failed so it’s a fools game to think these things.

Ok, so what you saying is you believe Jones and Briere are lying. I guess we will see.
- jd250

Lying, maybe, maybe not. We just know from all the evidence that the Flyers are either not willing to, or that their definition of a rebuild is not the same as everyone else's. They just put in a little speed bump or a short pause. Then they get right back to what they've always done. As sure as the sun comes up, when the cap is cleared up, they will go right back to spending. You'll realize it around dinner time.

I am just going by what was reported. I wasn't on the Zoom call and neither were you. You want to believe that the Flyers screwed up because this is always what you expect and want to believe. Maybe they did screw up. Maybe Quitter just wanted to burn 1 year of his ELC. In the end Quitter is in the same spot now that he would have been if he had simply signed with the Flyers last year in that he has two years remaining on his ELC. The difference is instead of having only 1 pro game under this belt, he would have had an entire season of pro experience, either in the NHL or the AHL. He set himself back a year just to stick it to the Flyers. Combine this with his comments at world championships and his comments at the final 4 this past year, and I can only conclude the kid has serious character issues and is not getting good advice.
- jd250

All wrong as usual and lacking critical thinking.

And as usual “I’m just going by what is reported” instead of what is known fact.

You can’t even understand the #1 fact…. THE FLYERS HAD COMPLETE CONTROL OF THE PLAYER INDER THE CBA

I think the Flyers saw that as a PR nightmare right or wrong. Right or wrong I think they believed that would turn the fan base against the kid before he even started playing.
- MBFlyerfan

That’s a bunch of crap and completely illogical. It was a bs excuse to sell to the 90 % of non critical thinking idiot fans. You aren’t 1 of them.

The fans wouldn’t have given 2 poops once he hit the ice and scored a goal. Come on man. We know this.

Look at lindros drama. Did anyone turn on player or team because of whatever? No they did not. When lindros hit the ice everyone stood and cheered.

I am just going by what was reported. I wasn't on the Zoom call and neither were you. You want to believe that the Flyers screwed up because this is always what you expect and want to believe. Maybe they did screw up. Maybe Quitter just wanted to burn 1 year of his ELC. In the end Quitter is in the same spot now that he would have been if he had simply signed with the Flyers last year in that he has two years remaining on his ELC. The difference is instead of having only 1 pro game under this belt, he would have had an entire season of pro experience, either in the NHL or the AHL. He set himself back a year just to stick it to the Flyers. Combine this with his comments at world championships and his comments at the final 4 this past year, and I can only conclude the kid has serious character issues and is not getting good advice.
- jd250

No, you aren't going by what was reported. You're going by your interpretation of what was reported. Which you got wrong. Which you always get wrong. Whether it's a blog or a video or whatever. He did set himself back a year but he was willing to do that to not play for the Flyers. His call. Sticking to your guns and sacrificing a year for what you want, is not an indication of a character flaw. It's an indication of having character to stick by your principles. See, that's another poor interpretation made by you.

Bill, is TKs camp ok going into the season with no contract extension?

All wrong as usual and lacking critical thinking.

And as usual “I’m just going by what is reported” instead of what is known fact.

You can’t even understand the #1 fact…. THE FLYERS HAD COMPLETE CONTROL OF THE PLAYER INDER THE CBA
- Stayin alive

They didn't have complete control, that's incorrect. If they had complete control, Gauthier would've done what they wanted. They had the rights to the player. He was not under contract and the Flyers had no control on whether Gauthier signed the contract or went back to college.

Of course not. Was he a reach? Yes. Is he still a prospect that could be really good? Sure. Was I hoping for Buium? Yes.
Did I like moving a pick for a future pick? Not particularly. Deeper draft sure…but you have 5 picks already in the 1rst two rounds… Would I prefer to trade a Konecny or a Laughton or a Farabee if they want another 2025 pick?of course, because that might actually mean they are attempting a rebuild.
- landros 2

I actually like that trade, your 1st rd pick should be better unless Edmonton wins the cup, plus with any luck they be out in 1st rd of playoffs and dB just jump up as easy 10 spots or more

They didn't have complete control, that's incorrect. If they had complete control, Gauthier would've done what they wanted. They had the rights to the player. He was not under contract and the Flyers had no control on whether Gauthier signed the contract or went back to college.
- MJL

But they still had control at the time being, what did he have to play two additional college seasons to reach free agency? I highly doubt he would commit to that.

The Mono didn't help.
- MBFlyerfan

Certainly behind the 8-ball at the start but the knock on him pre-draft was that he didn't really bring any standout/elite/dynamic qualities offensively and that's been pretty much what has kept him from reaching the same heights as the guys who jumped him in the draft order (RNH, Zibanejad, Huberdeau and Scheifele).

Not a huge disappointment but still wish the Flyers had gotten even more out of 8OA in that draft.

But they still had control at the time being, what did he have to play two additional college seasons to reach free agency? I highly doubt he would commit to that.
- ClaudeFather

They had control of Gauthier's NHL rights. They did not obviously have complete control over the player.

Bill, is TKs camp ok going into the season with no contract extension?
- ClaudeFather

No doubt they are because they think Briere is weak. Tortorella basically showed the league as much when Briere was given the interim title and sat next to him in the box and let his assistant coaches finish the season. Once the trade deadline hits Konecny has all the leverage. This looks like either Briere overpays or he is traded and it would be shocking if he is traded.

They had control of Gauthier's NHL rights. They did not obviously have complete control over the player.
- MJL

Exactly, they were in the driver seat. I don’t think there was a chance the kid was willing to play two additional collegiate seasons. He would have caved.

Certainly behind the 8-ball at the start but the knock on him pre-draft was that he didn't really bring any standout/elite/dynamic qualities offensively and that's been pretty much what has kept him from reaching the same heights as the guys who jumped him in the draft order (RNH, Zibanejad, Huberdeau and Scheifele).

Not a huge disappointment but still wish the Flyers had gotten even more out of 8OA in that draft.
- Tomahawk

Have to factor in his usage and role that he played. When that was changed by Hakstol and he played in better offensive situations with better players. He leaped up offensively. I blame it more on how he was developed and used than Couturier being a disappointment

Exactly, they were in the driver seat. I don’t think there was a chance the kid was willing to play two additional collegiate seasons. He would have caved.
- ClaudeFather

Maybe, but the Flyers weren't willing to take that chance.

I am just going by what was reported. I wasn't on the Zoom call and neither were you. You want to believe that the Flyers screwed up because this is always what you expect and want to believe. Maybe they did screw up. Maybe Quitter just wanted to burn 1 year of his ELC. In the end Quitter is in the same spot now that he would have been if he had simply signed with the Flyers last year in that he has two years remaining on his ELC. The difference is instead of having only 1 pro game under this belt, he would have had an entire season of pro experience, either in the NHL or the AHL. He set himself back a year just to stick it to the Flyers. Combine this with his comments at world championships and his comments at the final 4 this past year, and I can only conclude the kid has serious character issues and is not getting good advice.
- jd250

How can you possibly say he has character issues? No coach, teammate or anyone else has questioned his character. If he had character issues he wouldn't have been an Asst Capt on team USA. Maybe the kid has principles and when the Flyers reneged on their promise to sign him he wanted nothing to do with them feeling he couldnt trust them. Bottom line is if Flyers signed him to his ELC. as they should he would be a Flyer. That's all on the Flyers.