Freudian.
- AdamFrench

stupid sexy stamkos

Freudian.
- AdamFrench

While that's obviously a typo.

I'll stand by it.

Right now they have about $86m allocated - this assumes they move Timmins and keep Hakanpaa on the roster. If they move Hakanpaa to LTIR and keep Timmins, they are up about $400k. If they move Liljegren and keep Timmins (which I'd do, but I'm not on that management team), they'd free up $1.9m more.

They do still have to sign a forward - so let's say it's Dewar @ $1.3m. It's an overpayment, but he'll get it in arbitration. They have $1.2m - $1.6m in space after this. If they move out Kampf they'd have $4m or so to bring in a 3rd line centre. If they moved out Liljegren they'd have $4.3m.

There are options available but it depends on the flexibility of the trade market.
- Monkeypunk

I don't think the Leafs can go into next season (especially the playoffs) with the likes of Kampf, Jarnkrok, Dewar and Robertson on this team anymore, especially with Berube as the coach.

The criticism of the "run it back" strategy should apply more to the crappy depth players the Leafs keep bringing back more than it should apply to the core all-stars.

Right now, guys like Clutterbuck, Comtois and Tierney (big, physical, defensive, PKers) are available for pennies on the dollar. They don't need a lot of cap space to sign those 3 guys. Probably only need between 2.5-3 AAV of space. And those are the biggest impact players lower in the lineup when the games matter the most.

Just the same way Treliving has loaded up on those types of players on the blueline, he needs the same upgrade on the bottom-six forward group.

Not necessarily. Plenty of players with the same or more salary got moved for "future considerations". Just a matter of finding a team with cap space that he doesn't have on his list, which is pretty small because it's only 10 teams.

Same with Jarnkrok. 10 teams only.
- Rare_Jewel

I'd keep Jarnkrok. I know he's not for everyone but at $2.1m his versatility outweighs his half-cost replacement. I don't see anyone in our system right now who is ready to step in and perform a decent two-way role that can move up to the 2nd line in a pinch and not be a complete liability. Minten and Cowan are likely not ready and very likely not defensively ready for that type of role and the other guys - Hirvonen, Steeves, Abruzzese, Tverberg, Grebyonkin? Grebyonkin might be ready - he's been playing with men in the KHL and fared well, but he doesn't have much nastiness to him that I've witnessed.

They have to play at something. Kampf is overpaid but not so egregiously that you couldn't give him away (i.e. traded for future considerations). He is a pro and exceptionally fit, so I think there would be interest from a number of teams. The bottom line does go back to something I'd said earlier though which is that I don't think he's so overpaid that you can replace his value within that limited sphere.

One guy I can think of in a trade that might fit the bill is Bjugstad out of Utah. He's decent, he can score and is actually a pretty solid two-way 3rd line centre. He makes $300k less than Kampf, but is 2 years older. Bjugstad has scored over 20 twice, had 19 - and David Kampf once scored 11. He's also 6'6 and 210 and a UFA at the end of the year with no trade protection. Hell if they traded Timmins back to Utah for Bjugstad right now they might go for it - although I guess that depends on if Utah feels Lamoureux is ready or not. My guess is that they'll want him to start in the AHL this year anyway.
- Monkeypunk

Willing to bet Utah is one of the ten teams on Kampf’s list tho

It won’t be easy, and yes he’s overpaid, but still one of their most reliable defensive forwards

The Kampf signing was a bit of a headscratcher at the time but the reality is that they're probably not finding someone better for cheaper if they do move him.
- TheMussel

Agreed. To get someone to take an overpaid 4th liner will take picks/prospects as well or they’d have to take on another overpaid 4th liner

Scott Gomez is waiting for his phone to ring

Not necessarily. Plenty of players with the same or more salary got moved for "future considerations". Just a matter of finding a team with cap space that he doesn't have on his list, which is pretty small because it's only 10 teams.

Same with Jarnkrok. 10 teams only.
- Rare_Jewel

Keep on dreaming lol

some hate Willy until you talk about a potential return in a trade, suddenly they like him a lot
- Symba007

The topic regarding him flips almost as well as coins do

Your Willy hatred is hilariously insane. lol
- Dozzer

A lot of people get so upset when they get bent over by someone proving their predictions so wrong. I mean Willy is cute and all but tore him so apart there is no way he used lube.

Willing to bet Utah is one of the ten teams on Kampf’s list tho

It won’t be easy, and yes he’s overpaid, but still one of their most reliable defensive forwards
- Dozzer

I don't think they'd do a Kampf -> Bjugstad trade. That muddled thought was suggesting something like keeping Kampf, pushing him to the 4th line and acquiring Bjugstad for the 3rd - using Timmins to get him.

Now I will say that he adds size but not a ton of nastiness. Rare Jewel mentions Clutterbuck a lot and I mean the guy is a train but he's also turning 37 in November. I like a guy like Clutterbuck on the 4th line - it could even pump up Reaves. I'm not sure about his footspeed these days. His possession numbers are some of the worst of his career and were moving the wrong way rapidly.

While I like the idea, I'd say they need to identify some guys like that and get a couple - maybe just not guys who are 37 and on the wrong side of impactful.

Scott Gomez is waiting for his phone to ring
- ChonDerry

can he not afford his phone bill?

I'd keep Jarnkrok. I know he's not for everyone but at $2.1m his versatility outweighs his half-cost replacement. I don't see anyone in our system right now who is ready to step in and perform a decent two-way role that can move up to the 2nd line in a pinch and not be a complete liability. Minten and Cowan are likely not ready and very likely not defensively ready for that type of role and the other guys - Hirvonen, Steeves, Abruzzese, Tverberg, Grebyonkin? Grebyonkin might be ready - he's been playing with men in the KHL and fared well, but he doesn't have much nastiness to him that I've witnessed.
- Monkeypunk

I wouldn't keep Jarnkrok if moving his salary allowed the team to sign 3 guys like; Comtois, Tierney and Clutterbuck for roughly the same salary.

I'd value that 3rd/4th line much more than just one Jarnkrok. Big, physical, defensively sound PKers who play with determination and passion.

I was on the same train of thought on Jarnkrok in previous years but I really think his time is up in Toronto and he hasn't shown he has that playoff bite that we need to be successful. His playoff numbers are actually rather pathetic in 90+ playoff games.

A lot of people get so upset when they get bent over by someone proving their predictions so wrong. I mean Willy is cute and all but tore him so apart there is no way he used lube.
- jribout

lol people who think they know better than the people running the team are truly adorable

I don't think they'd do a Kampf -> Bjugstad trade. That muddled thought was suggesting something like keeping Kampf, pushing him to the 4th line and acquiring Bjugstad for the 3rd - using Timmins to get him.

Now I will say that he adds size but not a ton of nastiness. Rare Jewel mentions Clutterbuck a lot and I mean the guy is a train but he's also turning 37 in November. I like a guy like Clutterbuck on the 4th line - it could even pump up Reaves. I'm not sure about his footspeed these days. His possession numbers are some of the worst of his career and were moving the wrong way rapidly.

While I like the idea, I'd say they need to identify some guys like that and get a couple - maybe just not guys who are 37 and on the wrong side of impactful.
- Monkeypunk

Kampf is not getting pushed to the 4th line, he is the 4th line because he failed miserably on the 3rd line at the beginning of last season.

I honestly am not expecting much more to happen. The guys leaf fans want to move on from will be costly to move imo.

I don't think the Leafs can go into next season (especially the playoffs) with the likes of Kampf, Jarnkrok, Dewar and Robertson on this team anymore, especially with Berube as the coach.

The criticism of the "run it back" strategy should apply more to the crappy depth players the Leafs keep bringing back more than it should apply to the core all-stars.

Right now, guys like Clutterbuck, Comtois and Tierney (big, physical, defensive, PKers) are available for pennies on the dollar. They don't need a lot of cap space to sign those 3 guys. Probably only need between 2.5-3 AAV of space. And those are the biggest impact players lower in the lineup when the games matter the most.

Just the same way Treliving has loaded up on those types of players on the blueline, he needs the same upgrade on the bottom-six forward group.
- Rare_Jewel

Not large or physical, can't skate to save his life and sucks at every aspect of hockey after his surgery.

Not large or physical, can't skate to save his life and sucks at every aspect of hockey after his surgery.
- AdamFrench

. Yep thinking he has any value is laughable.

I wouldn't keep Jarnkrok if moving his salary allowed the team to sign 3 guys like; Comtois, Tierney and Clutterbuck for roughly the same salary.

I'd value that 3rd/4th line much more than just one Jarnkrok. Big, physical, defensively sound PKers who play with determination and passion.

I was on the same train of thought on Jarnkrok in previous years but I really think his time is up in Toronto and he hasn't shown he has that playoff bite that we need to be successful. His playoff numbers are actually rather pathetic in 90+ playoff games.
- Rare_Jewel

Comtois would be the only one I'd be interested in. Tierney perhaps. Clutterbuck should only get honorable mentions. time for him to retire.

Not large or physical, can't skate to save his life and sucks at every aspect of hockey after his surgery.
- AdamFrench

He's got good hockey IQ, can kill penalties and win FOs. Don't need him anymore than 9/10 min a game. He played alright for 50 games on a bad Devils team, still ended up a positive player.

I'll take Steven Lorenz in the same role as a platoon option if need be. Not set on just one guy, just somebody who can play the role for cheaper than what we're getting out of Kampf and Jarnkrok for 3 times the price.

If they have to platoon the role (which deep playoff teams end up doing anyway), so be it. I'd still rather get 4 players rotating for 800K each than Jarnkrok or Kampf.

Comtois would be the only one I'd be interested in. Tierney perhaps. Clutterbuck should only get honorable mentions. time for him to retire.
- dmnted

Comtois has some potential given his size, position and age. He's older than Knies but pretty similar player if the Leafs can squeeze it out of him.

Clutterbuck is a tireless player with some gas left in the tank. If he gives you 10 minutes a game, I think the Leafs benefit greatly from it with his physicality and energy.

sounds like Aetherial on the corner of Jarvis and Church looking for a deal
- Symba007

No, it sounds like the Leafs roster construction *every (frank)ing summer*.

Clearly how you build a champion! 😉

Mike Augello: Leafs Looking For Low-Cost Free Agents
- mikeinbuffalo

Jesperi Kotkaniemi will be available for dirt cheap in a couple weeks.

Jesperi Kotkaniemi will be available for dirt cheap in a couple weeks.
- BINGO!

At 24 years old, if he plays for 1 AAV or less, he's worth the roll of the dice.

Hot. Might lead to a runny run back!🥰
- fifty__missions

Well you got that on the brain.

No, it sounds like the Leafs roster construction *every (frank)ing summer*.

Clearly how you build a champion! 😉
- fifty__missions

It does get exhausting. I try to stay positive in light of the fact the Leafs will do nothing until it's too later.

But even trying to do that, when you post an player suggestion, anything in the "run it back" playbook of cheap and poopty.....most of the poster piss on it as though they've got options.

These boards are like ugly drunk guys at 2a talking trash about the couple of girls left at the bar....like there's a fuking choice at this point?!?!