They actually do, on paper. If they don't offer him a 8 year deal but 7 instead, and dont trade him, he is choosing between a 7 year deal sooner versus one later.
- PT21

No, they don't. How can you have leverage over a player to sign a deal when your tactic results in him signing with another team. That's just common sense. If the Flyers play hard ball and keep him all season and he decides to test free agency. The best they'll be able to do is to acquire a diminished asset for his rights to another team. Konecny holds all of the leverage.

I thought what jd250 meant was: offer TK a 7 year extension. Let him know that if he doesn't sign it, we will just let him walk and not trade him by 24-25 TDL. Then, if he hits UFA, he risks getting injured by then and getting lower $, and not getting any more than the 7 year deal we were offering anyway.

I am not sure what would be achieved by offering 7 instead of 8, and I am not sure TK's agent wouldn't call that bluff, and perhaps I am misunderstanding, but I don't see the error in his understanding.
- PT21

JD keeps saying that only the Flyers can offer TK an 8 year contract and everyone else can only offer a 7year contract and most here are saying wrong.

It is part of how he is justifying only giving TK a 7 year deal.

No, they don't. How can you have leverage over a player to sign a deal when your tactic results in him signing with another team. That's just common sense. If the Flyers play hard ball and keep him all season and he decides to test free agency. The best they'll be able to do is to acquire a diminished asset for his rights to another team. Konecny holds all of the leverage.
- MJL

Leverage is not the same as mandate, which seems to be the way you are using the term. It just means some advantages in negotiating. Not a coercive advantage.

The advantage here is: Flyers can enforce TK's contract is no more than 7 years anywhere he signs in the NHL. It then becomes a question of: why wait and risk it all if you are not getting more term anywhere?

Problem is, it is not a good idea to play this kind of hardball with an employee you are planning to keep for awhile. And you may end up losing an asset for nothing. But that is a practical consideration. Theoretically, you can though.

👋

JD keeps saying that only the Flyers can offer TK an 8 year contract and everyone else can only offer a 7year contract and most here are saying wrong.

It is part of how he is justifying only giving TK a 7 year deal.
- TheFreak

Isnt he correct, if you take the trade part out of it?

Isnt he correct, if you take the trade part out of it?
- PT21

No. He is wrong in the sense of which he is using it. He legit thinks only the Flyers can offer 8 years.

The Flyers would be pretty stupid to what you put forth as far as 7 years. It has never happened, and I doubt it ever will.

Leverage is not the same as mandate, which seems to be the way you are using the term. It just means some advantages in negotiating. Not a coercive advantage.


- PT21

That's your misinterpretation. You don't understand contracts and negotiation. UFA leverage is the hammer.

The advantage here is: Flyers can enforce TK's contract is no more than 7 years anywhere he signs in the NHL. It then becomes a question of: why wait and risk it all if you are not getting more term anywhere?



- PT21

The Flyers have no advantage. They can't enforce anything. The Flyers would have to risk keeping him past the deadline and losing him for nothing. Over a one year difference? The reason to wait for Konecny is that teams normally overpay massively in free agency, so why take less than you're looking for? More teams bidding can drive up the salary. Risk of injury is minimal and not likely.

Isnt he correct, if you take the trade part out of it?
- PT21

Not reality. This isn't fantasy land.

No actually he didn't. He didn't post the stupidity that you were called out for. Which was outlined for you in MB's post in reply to you. You still can't figure it out.

Of course, you'll just pretend that how you changed course, after it was untenable for you to continue, which actually took weeks. Specifically concerning Konecny and now pretend like you knew it all along. Following a very predictable path that I predicted you would take weeks ago.

You are clueless and make a fool of yourself, every single day. You really outdid yourself today. I think you've earned the day off tomorrow. You actually posted enough foolishness for the rest of the week.
- MJL

Why do you both gang up on him, I get it you don't like his opinions, but he is cheering for the same team, I would understand if he was a dirty pens fan.

That's your misinterpretation. You don't understand contracts and negotiation. UFA leverage is the hammer.




The Flyers have no advantage. They can't enforce anything. The Flyers would have to risk keeping him past the deadline and losing him for nothing. Over a one year difference? The reason to wait for Konecny is that teams normally overpay massively in free agency, so why take less than you're looking for? More teams bidding can drive up the salary. Risk of injury is minimal and not likely.
- MJL

Disagree if tk goes free agency he will get 7 years, and the Flyers have the ability to sign him before free agency (obviously if he is a flyer come season end and not traded) so having the ability to add another year could be more money depending on the year aav. So in that department jd is correct. But it only works for 10 plus million level players.


But jd is unfortunately forgetting most likely free agency would give him at lest a million more. So tk won't sign for 7 or 8 million because he probably get 9 million in free agency and equal same money the Flyers offer for 8 years
So it would end up being same money.

So depends on what he signs for.. also how much he wants to be a flyer and not relocate

My guess he won't sign for 7 or 8 mill for 8 years because his totally salary he could get at 7 years would be the same. So he asking for 10 knowing
He has the advantage. 7/8 million he could get easy in free agency and save a year. So he basically holding them hostage because they don't have the advantage and any decent agent would be fully aware of this

Why do you both gang up on him, I get it you don't like his opinions, but he is cheering for the same team, I would understand if he was a dirty pens fan.
- SlNlSTER

Yeah I really don’t get it. We are all flyers fans. What pathetic gratification could one possibly get doing this daily. I think the real losers in life shine on this website every day.

I'll suspend ignoring your dumbass for just this once to explain something very simple to you that eluded you. I did not disagree with his opinion on Krebs. I disagreed with his asking MB to prove him wrong as his opinion stated in part that Krebs is going nowhere. That is about the future and nobody can prove that is right or wrong simply because it is in the future. It's an opinion, not a fact. JD was being a dumbass just as you are. Now back to ignoring you.

- MJL

The fact that you had to “suspend ignoring me” proves you’re absolutely full of sh!t. You just couldn’t help yourself, had to back peddle for everyone to see. 😆

Nice spin 🎾.

You’re still pathetic. How old are you…serious question… this entire board is a look into everyone’s psyche and I gotta say, as it seems from here, you’re not gettin’ a whole lot from the real world. This is your world lol

Take, like… 1 day off. At least 😂

Next time you want to know what’s going on behind the scenes.. just ask me, bud.

Sigh. Or it means they aren't seriously thinking about trading them.

You editorialized that they weren't receiving much interest. I 100% disprove that by pointing out what Briere said about Laughton specifically, you then move the goalposts to say you only meant now.

Black_Francis constantly wonders why people attack your points, saying he doesn't understand why. It is because you present certain facts (yes there are reports)and then present your own opinion (no interest) on those facts, as a fact.

For example, yes, there have been many reports that the Flyers are dangling Farabee, Frost, and Laughton. Most of them are just speculation based on what the team needs, and SHOULD do. You then present it as a fact that they are doing it and then further say they aren't receiving much interest. It is the second part that opens you up for debate, especially since, again, Briere stated specifically that Laughton received a lot of interest.

Briere, as far as I know, has never spoken about Farabee or Frost in that context. Only Laughton. That tells me that these "dangling" comments regarding Frost and Farabee are just speculation on the part of these sites to generate clicks.

Farabee and Frost may very well be the subject of discussions between Briere and other teams, it would be malfeasance on the part of Briere not to take calls on them. But even that is just speculation, just like all those articles.

The only fact is Laughton was getting offers and Briere turned them down.
- MBFlyerfan

Buddy… don’t drag him into this. He’s handsome.

Here’s why you’re a joke. You private message me for months wanting the “inside scoop”, telling me you think MJL is on the spectrum, and then bow down to him here while he basically prays I’m not telling the truth.

Buddy, you’re as flakey as they come.

Holy sh!t boys. It’s just hockey. Pull your heads out of your asses. None of this matters. None of us are important pundits 😂

Disagree if tk goes free agency he will get 7 years, and the Flyers have the ability to sign him before free agency (obviously if he is a flyer come season end and not traded) so having the ability to add another year could be more money depending on the year aav. So in that department jd is correct. But it only works for 10 plus million level players.


- SlNlSTER

Nobody has disputed that he would only get 7 years in free agency. So what are you disagreeing about. The debate is about if Konecny can only get 8 years from the Flyers, so that gives the Flyers leverage to sign him for 7. It doesn't. If the Flyers can't re-sign him, they'll likely trade him before the deadline and the acquiring team can offer 8 years also. JD is not correct in stating that the Flyers are only team that can offer 8 years. You don't understand it just as JD doesn't.

The other day, I read Bill's memoriam to Tony Voce and then happened to glance across to find MJL's musing to all about living every day of their lives, because one never knows when their time is up etc.

That post made me sn1gger so loudly on the Amtrak quiet car that the conductor looked at me admonishingly.

Anyway, if (god forbid) if mankind did suffer that calamitous loss occurring while ranting on HB, I thought I would offer up my own personal epitaph:


- PT21

Says the guy that responded to a political debate almost 3 weeks after the thread had ended….to get in his last word…. “You are” still wrong. Better?

Buddy… don’t drag him into this. He’s handsome.

Here’s why you’re a joke. You private message me for months wanting the “inside scoop”, telling me you think MJL is on the spectrum, and then bow down to him here while he basically prays I’m not telling the truth.

Buddy, you’re as flakey as they come.

Holy sh!t boys. It’s just hockey. Pull your heads out of your asses. None of this matters. None of us are important pundits 😂
- anti-lame

Oh boy, I didn't message you, I messaged Black Francis, who was banned.

So here comes JD's white night. I hope you washed your hands before typing that. Its kind of unsanitary touching your keyboard with JD's ball sweat all over your hands. Though it probably tastes nice and salty to you mixed with all that popcorn butter after helping your dad walk around the Wells Fargo.

By all means keep going. I didn't think you could ruin your reputation worse or make yourself seem more pathetic. Apparently, I was wrong.


This is how I know that I've won.
- MJL

comedy at its finest. you might be the only person who cares about their internet "reputation".

I'd miss him... 🙋‍♂️
- Tomahawk

Me too

Nobody has disputed that he would only get 7 years in free agency. So what are you disagreeing about. The debate is about if Konecny can only get 8 years from the Flyers, so that gives the Flyers leverage to sign him for 7. It doesn't. If the Flyers can't re-sign him, they'll likely trade him before the deadline and the acquiring team can offer 8 years also. JD is not correct in stating that the Flyers are only team that can offer 8 years. You don't understand it just as JD doesn't.
- MJL

there is a scenario where only the flyers can offer him 8 years is there not? yes or no?

there is a scenario where only the flyers can offer him 8 years is there not? yes or no?
- hello it's me 2050

There is if the Flyers are dumb enough to go down that road. I would like to think they are smarter than that.

I don't know why!!

there is a scenario where only the flyers can offer him 8 years is there not? yes or no?
- hello it's me 2050

If you are removing all other teams from the scenario than yes.

If you are removing all other teams from the scenario than yes.
- mickel25

In order for it to be true that the Flyers are the only team that can offer Konecny a 8 year deal. There can be no scenario or plausible situation where another team could offer him 8 years in a new contract. Now if this conversation were happening after the 24/25 NHL trade deadline and Konecny was still a Flyer, then it would be true. As of now, that is not the case.

Nobody has disputed that he would only get 7 years in free agency. So what are you disagreeing about. The debate is about if Konecny can only get 8 years from the Flyers, so that gives the Flyers leverage to sign him for 7. It doesn't. If the Flyers can't re-sign him, they'll likely trade him before the deadline and the acquiring team can offer 8 years also. JD is not correct in stating that the Flyers are only team that can offer 8 years. You don't understand it just as JD doesn't.
- MJL

I said if the Flyers don't trade him before free agency, obviously you are to worry to sounds smart that you forget to use your head for more then a hat rack

I said if the Flyers don't trade him before free agency, obviously you are to worry to sounds smart that you forget to use your head for more then a hat rack
- SlNlSTER

You can throw all the insults around you want. You entered into the conversation, which is certainly your right but you are simply wrong and so is jd. His statement was that the Flyers are the only team that can offer him 8 years. His statement was not that after the trade deadline, if still a Flyer, they are the only team that can offer him 8 years. You obviously don't know what you're disagreeing with.

In order for it to be true that the Flyers are the only team that can offer Konecny a 8 year deal. There can be no scenario or plausible situation where another team could offer him 8 years in a new contract. Now if this conversation were happening after the 24/25 NHL trade deadline and Konecny was still a Flyer, then it would be true. As of now, that is not the case.
- MJL

Exactly..that's why I said I hope they are smarter than that.

On the other side of the coin...if it gets down to where they still own his rights, and only offer him a 7 year deal, he can still play hardball and say he wants the 8th year or he is signing elsewhere. The 8th year would really be the only compelling reason to resign in Philly. If it gets to that point of him still being unsigned and a Flyer after the TDL, I can see it being MORE in TK's favor than the teams.

It is moronic for the team to go down that path.

You can throw all the insults around you want. You entered into the conversation, which is certainly your right but you are simply wrong and so is jd. His statement was that the Flyers are the only team that can offer him 8 years. His statement was not that after the trade deadline, if still a Flyer, they are the only team that can offer him 8 years.
- MJL

Well yes unless his rights are traded before July 1st, again I added that in my post. You are just trying to nit pick anything he says.

You clearly knew he was talk currently the Flyers can offer him 8 years where no team can, unless another team trades for his contract then they hold the 8th year option.

You are just looking to attack the guy for no reason other to make yourself feel better.
Is your life so small that you need a boost to pick on him