Next year, Tortorella is a lame-duck coach and 67 years old. The Flyers have to make a decison BEFORE then if they are going to extend his contract or find a successor HC (likely with Tortorella being in a different role in the organization). Tortorella has said that he stayed on one season too long in Columbus, and coaching a lame duck season was a mistake in hindsight. From an org standpoint, per Tortorella's own words, he should have been replaced with one year left on the contract.

I think it would be the same situation here if it were to play out that way. I think there's a good chance the Sullivan is out in Pittsburgh after next season: Cup window is closed, Pens have missed playoffs in b2b seasons, and it could very well be three in a row. Remember that Sullivan is Tortorella's protege and buddy but 10 years younger.

It'd be a doable sell. i'm not the biggest Sullivan fan but I could see the line of thinking and I think Michkov would thrive.
- bmeltzer

Knowing Comcast they gave him the pick of want front office job he wants already.

We can only hope a decent name pops up. It’s impossible to tell who could be available a year from now with the way the NHL is. Please just get a guy that’s up to speed with today’s game. No brining guys out of retirement or out of college. Someone who knows the current NHL.

It's 2024. No one uses a stopwatch. Usage data is at the coaches finger tips in game. Torts could 100% limit Coots minutes using data he receives in game. Torts is the head coach. If some other coach manages that aspect then Torts can provide usage guidelines to that coach.

Torts rode Coots into the ground. Needlessly in my opinion.
- mickel25

I’m so glad you caught on to the sarcasm. I’m proud of you.

I’ll save you the suspense and tell you the moves ….

Tk extension
Massive marketing tragedy pumping a new new era of orange centered around mm and tk.

What helps this is a somewhat competent team with vet layden team to do exactly what torts wants on ice. Block shots. Collapse. Don’t give up easy goals. Just make it until tk and mm next shift and watch the suckers jump out of their seats with excitement.


Results don’t matter
Just the illusion better days ahead.

They have stepped up their game. Instead of season to season worry about marketing they can make this last at least 2-3 years

Well done
- Stayin alive

These are getting old every year. I get they need to sell tickets but how many times are we gonna hear about a new era while they continue to do the same old same old.

Remember a few years back when they painted the locker room with the “you do things the Flyers way or you don’t play here.” If I’m a player I’m not sure whether I’m laughing my ass off or shaking my head in disbelief. Most dysfunctional franchise of the last decade is going to tell me how to play?

Hell the kids playing for the Flyers now don’t even know the Lindros era. They probably don’t know the Pronger years either honestly. “The Flyers way” is replacing the coach and GM every few years to the same mistakes/results. It’s pretty embarrassing at this point.

Apologies, but I am having a hard time understanding your correlation. So a loss is b/c of Coots being unmotivated?!? Huh!?!?

We are talking about Torts handling of the situation - which was absolute BS and the team essentially turned on him. You can talk about Walker and he being the reason they missed the playoffs. He may have been a part of it but the Team quit on Torts after the way he handled the Coots situation. Then sealed the deal when he went to the media to call out the team. Torts knew he screwed up but a little too late..

And about the PP: who is the HC? Again, if you are HC you are responsible for everything. Has Torts been accountable by not doing a thing to improve the PP? Should Rocky still be here?!?
- Flyfly

The team didn’t quit on Torts. It’s naive to believe otherwise. Walker got hurt. Seeler got hurt. Drysdale was unhealthy. Carter couldn’t play for us. The power play sucked. This isn’t quitting. This is not being good enough. One of the worst players on the team down the stretch? Our captain.

Anyone who is blind to all of this has their own set of problems.

Sorry, you have the wrong site. The PMSNBC site is 2 URLs down. This forum talks hockey, which is aploitical thank goodness. We have enough to argue about already.
- jd250

I agree with you.

Next year, Tortorella is a lame-duck coach and 67 years old. The Flyers have to make a decison BEFORE then if they are going to extend his contract or find a successor HC (likely with Tortorella being in a different role in the organization). Tortorella has said that he stayed on one season too long in Columbus, and coaching a lame duck season was a mistake in hindsight. From an org standpoint, per Tortorella's own words, he should have been replaced with one year left on the contract.

I think it would be the same situation here if it were to play out that way. I think there's a good chance the Sullivan is out in Pittsburgh after next season: Cup window is closed, Pens have missed playoffs in b2b seasons, and it could very well be three in a row. Remember that Sullivan is Tortorella's protege and buddy but 10 years younger.

It'd be a doable sell. i'm not the biggest Sullivan fan but I could see the line of thinking and I think Michkov would thrive.
- bmeltzer

My understanding was that Tortorella never intended to coach that final year in Columbus but had to make a choice after his request for a front office job was turned down.

https://www.yardbarker.co..._office/s1_13132_40154684

“In his last year in Columbus, he wanted to move into management and move out of coaching, and (former Blue Jackets GM Jarmo) Kekalainen wanted nothing to do with that,” MacLean added. “He wanted him to coach, and at the end of the day it was a mutual parting of the ways.”

Torts has been trying to move into a front office job since he was with the BJ and that led to the "mutual parting of ways" rather than being a lame duck. Being a lame duck coach is just as mythical as "playing the right way" or "good in the locker room". Coaches get fired all the time with multiple years on their contract. Why would it affect whether the players listen to the coach? How many times are we told the players are professionals?

He's not getting extended and he doesn't want to be, imo. The press have already put out numerous articles, no doubt with Torts blessing, on his desire to move to a FO job.

“It will not surprise me if after this season Tortorella will move into management with the Philadelphia Flyers,” MacLean told the “Capital Decisions” podcast. “I wouldn’t be surprised if [Tortorella] moves up and if (president of hockey operations) Keith Jones and (general manager Daniel) Briere are smart, they’ll move him upstairs, I think.”

This was most likely the plan from the beginning. Another voice, most likely with another friend to be brought in to coach (ie. Sullivan) to keep "old time hockey" and the "flyers way" alive until well after anyone who was alive during their last cup win is dead.

These are getting old every year. I get they need to sell tickets but how many times are we gonna hear about a new era while they continue to do the same old same old.

Remember a few years back when they painted the locker room with the “you do things the Flyers way or you don’t play here.” If I’m a player I’m not sure whether I’m laughing my ass off or shaking my head in disbelief. Most dysfunctional franchise of the last decade is going to tell me how to play?

Hell the kids playing for the Flyers now don’t even know the Lindros era. They probably don’t know the Pronger years either honestly. “The Flyers way” is replacing the coach and GM every few years to the same mistakes/results. It’s pretty embarrassing at this point.
- hereticpride

Well congratulations you are part of the 10%. Unfortunately for us they cater to the 90%ers that eat up their bs. Blindly believing better days are near

The team didn’t quit on Torts. It’s naive to believe otherwise. Walker got hurt. Seeler got hurt. Drysdale was unhealthy. Carter couldn’t play for us. The power play sucked. This isn’t quitting. This is not being good enough. One of the worst players on the team down the stretch? Our captain.

Anyone who is blind to all of this has their own set of problems.
- roenick97

Disagree. That 6 game losing streak at end of season you could tell they quit. Tired and spent also yes but you could tell they also quit

Disagree. That 6 game losing streak at end of season you could tell they quit. Tired and spent also yes but you could tell they also quit
- Stayin alive

Wow…

I give you facts and you return with… “ you could tell they quit”.

Well there you have it. Losing key players and over playing Ersson had nothing do with it.

My understanding was that Tortorella never intended to coach that final year in Columbus but had to make a choice after his request for a front office job was turned down.

https://www.yardbarker.co..._office/s1_13132_40154684

“In his last year in Columbus, he wanted to move into management and move out of coaching, and (former Blue Jackets GM Jarmo) Kekalainen wanted nothing to do with that,” MacLean added. “He wanted him to coach, and at the end of the day it was a mutual parting of the ways.”

Torts has been trying to move into a front office job since he was with the BJ and that led to the "mutual parting of ways" rather than being a lame duck. Being a lame duck coach is just as mythical as "playing the right way" or "good in the locker room". Coaches get fired all the time with multiple years on their contract. Why would it affect whether the players listen to the coach? How many times are we told the players are professionals?

He's not getting extended and he doesn't want to be, imo. The press have already put out numerous articles, no doubt with Torts blessing, on his desire to move to a FO job.

“It will not surprise me if after this season Tortorella will move into management with the Philadelphia Flyers,” MacLean told the “Capital Decisions” podcast. “I wouldn’t be surprised if
- Flyers_01[Tortorella] moves up and if (president of hockey operations) Keith Jones and (general manager Daniel) Briere are smart, they’ll move him upstairs, I think.”

This was most likely the plan from the beginning. Another voice, most likely with another friend to be brought in to coach (ie. Sullivan) to keep "old time hockey" and the "flyers way" alive until well after anyone who was alive during their last cup win is dead.

I’ve spoken to pops about this. I asked if he wants a higher position. He was quick to say “nah, he just wants to coach” and pretty much dismissed it.

It’ll be interesting to see how it unfolds. I believe him over anyone - doesn’t mean he’s right and it will play out that way but that’s the answer I got.

I’ve spoken to pops about this. I asked if he wants a higher position. He was quick to say “nah, he just wants to coach” and pretty much dismissed it.

It’ll be interesting to see how it unfolds. I believe him over anyone - doesn’t mean he’s right and it will play out that way but that’s the answer I got.
- anti-lame

Is it possible your pops info is poop?

Wow…

I give you facts and you return with… “ you could tell they quit”.

Well there you have it. Losing key players and over playing Ersson had nothing do with it.
- roenick97

Yes 100% they lost players. Totally reasonable. They were spent also totally reasonable. Also reasonable is giving it your best. Torts came out and called them out trying to rally them. At the minimum did you not at least expect the effort to be there? If torts didn’t lose the room wouldn’t he have at least gotten that? They came out and 100% looked like they gave up. Like it all wasn’t worth it. It also was a factor. Probably just a combo of all 3 things actually

Yes 100% they lost players. Totally reasonable. They were spent also totally reasonable. Also reasonable is giving it your best. Torts came out and called them out trying to rally them. At the minimum did you not at least expect the effort to be there? If torts didn’t lose the room wouldn’t he have at least gotten that? They came out and 100% looked like they gave up. Like it all wasn’t worth it. It also was a factor. Probably just a combo of all 3 things actually
- Stayin alive

You’re trying to tell me the effort wasn’t there. I’m not seeing what you see. You can’t tell me in one breath they were tired and than in the next breath say they gave up on the coach. It’s one or the other. That’s called playing both sides of the argument. I saw a team that just wasn’t talented enough by season’s end.

Did Sean Couturier give up or is he toast? You can only give one answer…

Is it possible your pops info is poop?
- corduroy

Of course. Which is why I said he might be wrong. But that’s the answer I got.

It’ll be interesting to see how it plays out.

Again, no disrespect to Bill, but he’s much closer to what’s going on than Bill is. Things can change though, I got that answer a year ago.

Not a hot dog vendor. Not a high-up suit. Not a former player. Yet you know him by name.

Not Gritty.

Kevin? Who? Hayes? lol what 10 years ago? I said nowadays. It’s different now. It’s widely not only accepted but EXPECTED that top prospects do maybe 1 or 2 years college and sign elc and burn elc year one as soon as possible.


Mcgorty? He’s a top prospect? Hmmmm I’d say fringe level at best. 14th overall. So maybe.

The question with him as same was with cutter does the gm fold? I’d say peg already has. Because they didn’t come right out and state they aren’t trading him.

It’s like a toddler pushing buttons. They will push boundaries until it’s made clear they aren’t getting their way.
- Stayin alive

I get what you saying, but why even bother with ncaa players.

Best to look at ohl, whl, ect... probably save you the entitled headache

I get what you saying, but why even bother with ncaa players.

Best to look at ohl, whl, ect... probably save you the entitled headache
- SlNlSTER

Not all players want to stay on canadien leagues or USA players may choose college. poop Matthews went overseas. Not all college players get contracts. It’s a good way to develop league too. It’s really a non issue in the grand scheme of things. Leclair went to college. No issue. Just saying. You have to remember these players want to turn pro and succeed. It’s against the players best interest to (frank) around. There’s simply too much at stake for them. Had the flyers not knee jerk reacted and puffed chest out they easily could’ve had cutter. All would’ve been long forgotten by now. Played off as big misunderstanding and pr machine would’ve went to work. The fans were never an issue. The fans didn’t see cutter play in college. Maybe a few did. Maybe a few tuned into tournaments but once he had signed water under the bridge.

I get what you saying, but why even bother with ncaa players.

Best to look at ohl, whl, ect... probably save you the entitled headache
- SlNlSTER

There have been many of good players that have come out of the NCAA. Only a small handful have not wanted to play for the team that drafted them. A team would be foolish to dismiss looking at and drafting NCAA players.

You’re trying to tell me the effort wasn’t there. I’m not seeing what you see. You can’t tell me in one breath they were tired and than in the next breath say they gave up on the coach. It’s one or the other. That’s called playing both sides of the argument. I saw a team that just wasn’t talented enough by season’s end.

Did Sean Couturier give up or is he toast? You can only give one answer…
- roenick97

Maybe look again. They were absolutely roasted for their effort specifically the game after torts called them out saying they were soft and the next game would tell if they had what it took to take the next step. Torts was basically begging them. And they came out and layed an egg.

Yes you can be tired and spent but uou can also give effort.

Want proof? They looked based during that 6 game losing streak right? And they looked to give by not only me but many.

If they were giving effort and you didn’t see them giving up how do you explain the 2 wins at end of season once out of playoff position? Weren’t they also injured those two games? They were praised for their effort after the 6game losing streak?


And as far as coots why can a player not give up and be toast at the same time? Wasn’t yandle toast ? Did you think he played the last 20 games or so with real effort? It’s ok if you think they gave effort. Yes surely some did. But for the most part overall more didn’t. It was I think very noticeable to where it was made a point of again specifically the game torts was begging for effort

Maybe look again. They were absolutely roasted for their effort specifically the game after torts called them out saying they were soft and the next game would tell if they had what it took to take the next step. Torts was basically begging them. And they came out and layed an egg.

Yes you can be tired and spent but can also give effort.

Want proof? They looked based during that 6 game losing streak right? And they looked to give by not only me but many.

If they were giving effort and you didn’t see them giving up how do you explain the 2 wins at end of season once out of playoff position? Weren’t they also injured those two games? They were praised for their effort after the 6game losing streak?


And as far as coots why can a player not give up and be toast at the same time? Wasn’t yandle toast ? Did you think he played the last 20 games or so with real effort? It’s ok if you think they gave effort. Yes surely some did. But for the most part overall more didn’t. It was I think very noticeable to where it was made a point of again specifically the game torts was begging for effort
- Stayin alive

You can give up effort because you’re tired and spent. You said they gave up on the coach. I’m telling you it can only be one or the other. They either “gave up” because they were tired or they “gave up” on the coach. It’s can only be one.

Personally, I don’t think you know what you’re talking about. What you deem to be proof isn’t proof. Just because “many” people are saying what you’re saying (whoever these people are) doesn’t mean they’re right. What you are doing is giving two different reasons as to why they gave up. I dont agree with you at all. I’m saying this team wasn’t talented enough to make the playoffs down the stretch, which is also what many say.

I’ll save you the suspense and tell you the moves ….

Tk extension
Massive marketing tragedy pumping a new new era of orange centered around mm and tk.

What helps this is a somewhat competent team with vet layden team to do exactly what torts wants on ice. Block shots. Collapse. Don’t give up easy goals. Just make it until tk and mm next shift and watch the suckers jump out of their seats with excitement.


Results don’t matter
Just the illusion better days ahead.

They have stepped up their game. Instead of season to season worry about marketing they can make this last at least 2-3 years

Well done
- Stayin alive

I understand why you believe this with the past decade of mgmt blunders, but as a fan I sincerely hope you are wrong. I'm not sure I can take more mediocrity.

The team didn’t quit on Torts. It’s naive to believe otherwise. Walker got hurt. Seeler got hurt. Drysdale was unhealthy. Carter couldn’t play for us. The power play sucked. This isn’t quitting. This is not being good enough. One of the worst players on the team down the stretch? Our captain.

Anyone who is blind to all of this has their own set of problems.
- roenick97

I think the team played for Torts until the Couts benching. All the stuff that happened during the season, Torts yelling at Brink and then benching him, benching Frost for 8 straight games, benching Couts after he was named captain and then not facing the media after that. I think all these things added up eventually killed the moral of the team, and they clearly tanked after that tough stretch of games. They came out of it with three games left in the season, but it was too late at that point. IMO, Torts has got to change his approach this season, and at 66 years old I question if that is possible.

I think the team played for Torts until the Couts benching. All the stuff that happened during the season, Torts yelling at Brink and then benching him, benching Frost for 8 straight games, benching Couts after he was named captain and then not facing the media after that. I think all these things added up eventually killed the moral of the team, and they clearly tanked after that tough stretch of games. They came out of it with three games left in the season, but it was too late at that point. IMO, Torts has got to change his approach this season, and at 66 years old I question if that is possible.
- jd250

Has Tortorella really fallen that much in your eyes? You claimed he was the hands down winner of the Jack Adams award in 23/24 and you were touting him for the award this past season. As you alluded to, he hasn't changed and likely won't change. Nothing he did there is outside the norm for Tortorella. Issues that many including myself have been trying to educate you on since he was hired.

Has Tortorella really fallen that much in your eyes? You claimed he was the hands down winner of the Jack Adams award in 23/24 and you were touting him for the award this past season. As you alluded to, he hasn't changed and likely won't change. Nothing he did there is outside the norm for Tortorella. Issues that many including myself have been trying to educate you on since he was hired.
- MJL

all the educating you do you should be a teacher

I understand why you believe this with the past decade of mgmt blunders, but as a fan I sincerely hope you are wrong. I'm not sure I can take more mediocrity.
- jd250

You are always so positive when it comes to this team. You are seeing the issues that many of us are seeing...are they doing ANYTHING to tell you that they are doing things differently? that they won't be anything better than mediocre for the foreseeable future?

This is why so many are down on the team. No real direction, plan or way to execute one if they had one.

You are always so positive when it comes to this team. You are seeing the issues that many of us are seeing...are they doing ANYTHING to tell you that they are doing things differently? that they won't be anything better than mediocre for the foreseeable future?

This is why so many are down are the team. No real direction, plan or way to execute one if they had one.
- TheFreak

Maybe it's dinner time and he finally has realized that the sun came up today. Why are you so critical of the Flyers. All you want to do is bust on the Flyers. Why are you a fan?