Hayes also was a nothing player his first two years, broke his leg in his third year, and then played with Johnny hockey his final season. He was never close to signing with Chicago after his first few collegiate seasons. Really bad example to use.
- ClaudeFather

Yeah when I say top prospects like cutter generally you are talking about top 5 maybe top 10 picks. They are the ones usually projected to be hits. Anything outside top 10 usually even if they have great year or 2 college they still have the concerns of why they weren’t drafted top 10.

Agree so did cutter, but cutter also wanted to basically burn his first year of his entry level contract in college.

Trying to dictate how things are. Simply a smart gm would not give a prospect all of that kind of power.

Because of college players doing this and forcing the team hand in doing as I say or ill wait and enter free agency, it's why the Flyers and some other teams shy away and passed on Zeev Buium.

I won't be surprised if this happens more and more
- SlNlSTER

Gauthier wanted to play for the Flyers down the stretch after his NCAA season ended in 23. That is not basically burning his first year of his ELC in college. It takes 10 games played to burn a year of a ELC. This is not different from what every other high profile NCAA player wants and gets. A smart GM would've given it to him. The Flyers weren't smart. They were stupid.
If that's the real reason why the Flyers passed on Buium, they were stupid again.

Kevin did it to Chicago, he was the first 1 to do it, then others have slowly started to follow, now currently Winnipeg is having it to happen to them. The Flyers had it last year with cutter.
- SlNlSTER

The player in Winnipeg is not doing it because he wants out of Winnipeg. He's going back to college because he doesn't feel he is ready for the NHL

This is an interesting trade proposal: https://phillyhockeynow.c...rt-thomas-st-louis-blues/

What would the Flyers have to give up to get Thomas from St. Louis?
- jd250

Not a move the Flyers should make.

The player in Winnipeg is not doing it because he wants out of Winnipeg. He's going back to college because he doesn't feel he is ready for the NHL
- MJL

any link to back that up?

Carchidi is insane.
- MBFlyerfan

that entire site is dogpoope tbh

Something that Charlie O'Connor brought up yesterday in his article that I posted really sunk in with me. I, like many of you, am very disappointed in this Flyers off season. I had hoped Briere would successfully trade into the top 10 and grab a potential elite talent, and also be able to trade some players to clear some cap and gain more draft capital. None of that has happened. I am happy with adding Luchenko since I see the upside, but clearly Briere was trying to trade into the top 10 to get a better player and failed.

So this brings me to the TK contract. I love TK and wanted the Flyers to extend him, but part of my reasoning was I expected the Flyers to be aggressive this off season and move this rebuild forward. They may have tried to be aggressive, but the bottom line is Briere failed. There is still the deadline coming up and the 2025 draft, but Charlie is right, now everything is riding on the deadline and the 2025 draft. Thus, it does not make sense to extend TK. If Briere had obtained good young assets that can play right now this off season it would have made sense IMO to extend TK, as long as the price was reasonable. But now I think Briere has got to trade TK because the window for this rebuild has just been pushed out another year at least. Briere did mention he has had trade talks with several teams but the window to get something done is closing for the summer. Thus I think we have to be prepared for the distraction next season of the looming TK contract or trading him at the deadline.

So yes, given the non events of this off-season, I think the Flyers need to trade TK, and that sucks.
- jd250

That’s about where I’m at. I arrived at my disappointment a little sooner than you, but had hoped that an aggressive draft week would show the rhetoric matching his actions…it just hasn’t happened. I think the whole TK situation will really show what DB’s plan is.

That’s about where I’m at. I arrived at my disappointment a little sooner than you, but had hoped that an aggressive draft week would show the rhetoric matching his actions…it just hasn’t happened. I think the whole TK situation will really show what DB’s plan is.
- landros 2

Yep. With every change in front office there is hope. Which laughable gets squashed relatively short.

With that said there still is time for db to change but with each milestone passing tdl draft free agency etc the clock ticks. They are approaching the 11th hour. The tk extension decision is the clearest marker to be pointed at. That is truly make or break imo

That’s about where I’m at. I arrived at my disappointment a little sooner than you, but had hoped that an aggressive draft week would show the rhetoric matching his actions…it just hasn’t happened. I think the whole TK situation will really show what DB’s plan is.
- landros 2

TK and Laughton both are the moves that will confirm the Flyers true intentions. My hope is that the Flyers have drawn a line in the sand on the AAV for TK and that TK's reps take a hardline forcing the Flyers to trade him. I 100% believe TK is resigned at some point this season and I think that is a mistake.

Laughton will get traded at the 2026 TDL if he gets moved. Personally, I think it is 70-30 that he does not get traded.

Moving neither proves the Flyers are what most of us think they are. Trading both would be a pleasant surprise. My money is on both being Flyers for at least 4 more seasons.

Yep. With every change in front office there is hope. Which laughable gets squashed relatively short.

With that said there still is time for db to change but with each milestone passing tdl draft free agency etc the clock ticks. They are approaching the 11th hour. The tk extension decision is the clearest marker to be pointed at. That is truly make or break imo
- Stayin alive

Of course…with every guy coming in you hope he can be the “one”…a guy that can get the direction of the organization pointed the right way. I had hopes when he first laid out his vision….he just doesn’t seem capable of actually getting it done up till now.

Yep. With every change in front office there is hope. Which laughable gets squashed relatively short.

With that said there still is time for db to change but with each milestone passing tdl draft free agency etc the clock ticks. They are approaching the 11th hour. The tk extension decision is the clearest marker to be pointed at. That is truly make or break imo
- Stayin alive

In my view, if you want the job of GM, you had better have the same outlook as the organization mantra. They'll never accept a forward thinking GM who wants to radically change the direction of the team and philosophies that it operates under. They're just looking for the next new face to drive their agenda and flawed processes. Just another new era of Orange!

TK and Laughton both are the moves that will confirm the Flyers true intentions. My hope is that the Flyers have drawn a line in the sand on the AAV for TK and that TK's reps take a hardline forcing the Flyers to trade him. I 100% believe TK is resigned at some point this season and I think that is a mistake.

Laughton will get traded at the 2026 TDL if he gets moved. Personally, I think it is 70-30 that he does not get traded.

Moving neither proves the Flyers are what most of us think they are. Trading both would be a pleasant surprise. My money is on both being Flyers for at least 4 more seasons.
- mickel25

I just don’t get it….either do a (frank)ing rebuild or don’t. The half azz approach is next to impossible.

The player in Winnipeg is not doing it because he wants out of Winnipeg. He's going back to college because he doesn't feel he is ready for the NHL
- MJL

By the reports Ive read it is because he wants a guaranteed roster spot.


https://winnipegsun.com/s...-subtle-shot-at-mcgroarty

Lambert spoke earlier in the week about seeing what it takes to be a pro hockey player after his year with the Moose.

It isn’t easy. And more so, you have to earn your keep.

We’re told McGroarty’s unhappiness stems from the Jets’ not guaranteeing him a spot in the NHL when he leaves college.

That sort of thing is often only reserved for the very few. The Patrik Laines of the world, to keep it local, who was taken second overall and already possessed something few at the NHL could do similarly — in Laine’s case, his wicked release.

https://x.com/JHallNBCS/status/1811419202311667945?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1811419202311667945%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

earn your keep
- hello it's me 2050

It may not be fair but every time i think of Erik Johnson, I think of Keith Yandle. He was cooked and the Flyers were willing to straight up lose games to keep him in the lineup because of the iron man streak. Johnson's milestone is a bit more modest, 13 games to get to 1000.

Keeping that streak alive was more important to the Flyers than icing the best team. They finally sat him with what, 3 games left in the season after everything was lost (but after he set the streak).

https://bleacherreport.co...ayed-streak-to-end-at-989

Hot take: Keith Yandle is one of the worst defencemen in the NHL and if not for the ironman streak, would have been scratched a long time ago.

The Flyers have young D they need to get reps to down the stretch. Their development shouldn’t be sacrificed just to prolong his streak.

That’s about where I’m at. I arrived at my disappointment a little sooner than you, but had hoped that an aggressive draft week would show the rhetoric matching his actions…it just hasn’t happened. I think the whole TK situation will really show what DB’s plan is.
- landros 2

Yes. Inaction is no plan at all. And while it’s nice that GMDB tried to trade up, he did not succeed. He failed.

GMDB did not shed valuable cap. Regardless of attempts, he failed.

GMDB did not even retool the roster. This whole “wait til the offseason” is a big nothing. He failed.

Now we are in the “wait til the 2025 TDL and the 2025 draft”.

This team only knows how to disappoint its fans. And don’t give GMDB any credit for MM coming over early because he’s said the Flyers were not involved in that so the Flyers are simply very lucky it happened to work out that way.

By the reports Ive read it is because he wants a guaranteed roster spot.


https://winnipegsun.com/s...-subtle-shot-at-mcgroarty
- MBFlyerfan

havent read anywhere its because he wants to go back to school.

havent read anywhere its because he wants to go back to school.
- hello it's me 2050

Only that he elected to return to college when Winnipeg said the plan was to start him in the AHL.




https://thehockeynews.com...the%202024%2D25%20season.

According to those familiar with McGroarty's situation, the decision to stick with Michigan for the coming season is one made due to decisions stemming from Jets management on various prospects' development paths.

Whether or not Winnipeg's rumoured trade offerings - involving McGroarty - are due to an impasse between the team and player, the 20-year-old is certainly not comfortable with where/when the Jets plan to use him in their lineup going forward.

Things appear to have gone off the rails with Winnipeg hoping McGroarty would begin his professional career in the American Hockey League with the Manitoba Moose, while the youngster expected to make the jump directly to the NHL.

I guess one can construe that this means he wants to stay in college. But I don't read it that way.

Only that he elected to return to college when Winnipeg said the plan was to start him in the AHL.




https://thehockeynews.com...the%202024%2D25%20season.



I guess one can construe that this means he wants to stay in college. But I don't read it that way.
- MBFlyerfan

I would offer one of the col or oilers 1st along with a 2nd for him. maybe both if you like him that much. wonder if the flyers even inquired at all

I would offer one of the col or oilers 1st along with a 2nd for him. maybe both if you like him that much. wonder if the flyers even inquired at all
- hello it's me 2050

One would hope they did their due diligence. But I also wonder if, because it is such a similar situation to Gauthier they wanted to just steer clear.

I would offer one of the col or oilers 1st along with a 2nd for him. maybe both if you like him that much. wonder if the flyers even inquired at all
- hello it's me 2050

Don't they have enough RWs now?

Laughable comments by Briere. Truly brainwashed if that’s what he really thinks. The tumor of Flyers culture has spread to the next generation and it’s a big (frank)ing problem.

On a semi-related note which wig did Myrtetus don on the street today to tell Hilferty what a great job he is doing?

One would hope they did their due diligence. But I also wonder if, because it is such a similar situation to Gauthier they wanted to just steer clear.
- MBFlyerfan

probably plays a factor though to me it shouldn't at all. flyers hold grudges with the best of them.

obviously, you will get to talk to him before any deal or get assurances from the agent.

Don't they have enough RWs now?
- Uncle Vanya

can never have enough talent. can always move players out.

Laughable comments by Briere. Truly brainwashed if that’s what he really thinks. The tumor of Flyers culture has spread to the next generation and it’s a big (frank)ing problem.

On a semi-related note which wig did Myrtetus don on the street today to tell Hilferty what a great job he is doing?
- StepfordSam

talking about hunter and seeler made my day

Only that he elected to return to college when Winnipeg said the plan was to start him in the AHL.




https://thehockeynews.com...the%202024%2D25%20season.



I guess one can construe that this means he wants to stay in college. But I don't read it that way.
- MBFlyerfan

That's how I took it. The previous poster lumped him in with other college players who have forced their way out of a team they didn't want to play for. I don't get the sense that is the case with McGroarty.

https://www.nytimes.com/a...utger-mcgroarty-michigan/