Classic Torts sabotaging the team by benching Coots. He was running out of bullets at that point of the season and the team was pissed. No doubt the benching and all of the madness of calling out the team was part of the drop in play at the end. Torts played the wrong hand.
- Flyfly

Once you get past Tortorella's ability to get buy in and install a system of play, there isn't much there to his ability to coach. His in game strategy and adjustment ability is absent. It's just play hard and block shots. He doesn't know how to manage and develop players. It's just take turns scratching players.

I don't understand people who think that being critical of the team is not being a fan. That doesn't make sense. Any fan who has invested his time in rooting for and supporting a team, certainly has a right to be critical of the team if he feels that is deserved. It is extremely unfair to tell someone to feel free to root for another team then. What has this organization done in the last decade to earn immunity from fair criticism?
- MJL

Exactly 100%. There is no team without the fanbase. If anything the ones being critical SHOULD be the first ones a team listens too. Yet this team panders to only those are dumb.

And it pisses me to no end when “fans” say root for another team. I think that fans that DONT get vocal when dealing with poop flyers have pulled for 2 decades. Maybe they should find another team.

Just people getting defensive knowing it’s their brain dead unwavering support that’s got the team into the mess it’s in.

Flyers are a laughing stock outside of Philly.

At least the alumni are treated well again though. Keep that Flyer culture going.

I don't understand people who think that being critical of the team is not being a fan. That doesn't make sense. Any fan who has invested his time in rooting for and supporting a team, certainly has a right to be critical of the team if he feels that is deserved. It is extremely unfair to tell someone to feel free to root for another team then. What has this organization done in the last decade to earn immunity from fair criticism?
- MJL

Being critical is fine.

Daily doom-posting is unhealthy.

Laughable comments by Briere. Truly brainwashed if that’s what he really thinks. The tumor of Flyers culture has spread to the next generation and it’s a big (frank)ing problem.

On a semi-related note which wig did Myrtetus don on the street today to tell Hilferty what a great job he is doing?
- StepfordSam

Waaah! Waaah! 😂

Really good discussion with Charlie O'Connor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfI3MgXgbzY

At 12:20, really good question to discuss, does the Briere/Jones plan resemble the Hextall plan and is that a death sentence?

The execution overall wasn't there but upper managements expectation of how long it would take was not realistic. They continue to have the same shortsightedness today.
- MJL

See I think the execution wasn’t as bad overall as like to be blamed. People conveniently forget just how bad it was when he took over
1) absolutely no good prospects of any real kind in system
2) just god awful cap
3) just god awful thought to be nonmoveable contracts.


In just 4 years he pulled miracles getting rid of contracts no one thought possible (Vinny/prongs)

He did start to stack a farm system with nhl level players that weren’t just 4th liners

He was proven it wasn’t go time by the actions of the following regime.


Is their room for criticism of picks or signings? Surely. Or if roster decisions? Surely.

But he was not given a chance to really see what he could do when front office became impatient for whatever reasons.

The upper managements expectations of timeline wasn’t the one that hired hexy. Ed was still in charge at the time. This upper management with Cumcast has proven they don’t have a clue as evidenced by cf era and now the db era.

This will always be my thing with hexy. He saw and was part of kings cup build from bottom of barrel to top. Took about 10 years. That’s what he was doing in Philly when he took over. So 4 years and canned I gotta give incomplete grade.

My 2 biggest disappointments with hexy were
1) wanted miro instead nopa
2) not completely shedding roster when took over (g jake simmer) as it would’ve sent rebuild into hyperdrive


As the decade has passed it’s become even more clear that that is generally what needs to be done to lessen the timeframe to rebuild. You can get through stage 1 rebuild within a few years now like chi sj just did by ridding players with value that don’t fit a timeline rather than keeping them and slowly taking 3/4 years to to muddle through stage 1

Once you get past Tortorella's ability to get buy in and install a system of play, there isn't much there to his ability to coach. His in game strategy and adjustment ability is absent. It's just play hard and block shots. He doesn't know how to manage and develop players. It's just take turns scratching players.
- MJL

Look no further than his ot deployment of players. Hmmmm he’s the only one doing that crap so he’s either revolutionary or dumb.

Well we saw the results. He’s dumb yet this organization bows to him. Showing just how inept they truly are

See I think the execution wasn’t as bad overall as like to be blamed. People conveniently forget just how bad it was when he took over
1) absolutely no good prospects of any real kind in system
2) just god awful cap
3) just god awful thought to be nonmoveable contracts.


In just 4 years he pulled miracles getting rid of contracts no one thought possible (Vinny/prongs)

He did start to stack a farm system with nhl level players that weren’t just 4th liners

He was proven it wasn’t go time by the actions of the following regime.


Is their room for criticism of picks or signings? Surely. Or if roster decisions? Surely.

But he was not given a chance to really see what he could do when front office became impatient for whatever reasons.

The upper managements expectations of timeline wasn’t the one that hired hexy. Ed was still in charge at the time. This upper management with Cumcast has proven they don’t have a clue as evidenced by cf era and now the db era.

This will always be my thing with hexy. He saw and was part of kings cup build from bottom of barrel to top. Took about 10 years. That’s what he was doing in Philly when he took over. So 4 years and canned I gotta give incomplete grade.

My 2 biggest disappointments with hexy were
1) wanted miro instead nopa
2) not completely shedding roster when took over (g jake simmer) as it would’ve sent rebuild into hyperdrive


As the decade has passed it’s become even more clear that that is generally what needs to be done to lessen the timeframe to rebuild. You can get through stage 1 rebuild within a few years now like chi sj just did by ridding players with value that don’t fit a timeline rather than keeping them and slowly taking 3/4 years to to muddle through stage 1
- Stayin alive

not miracles at all in any way. vinny made that deal happen. pronger was sent where all injured contracts are sent, wasn't some great original idea.

Just people getting defensive knowing it’s their brain dead unwavering support that’s got the team into the mess it’s in.

Flyers are a laughing stock outside of Philly.

At least the alumni are treated well again though. Keep that Flyer culture going.
- flyer_nutter

I just don’t get it. I mean I know I’m from out of town so maybe some of the flack I get from locals about flyers is that. But they are roasted beyond anything now. All the pundits nationally laugh at what they do and scratch heads because it’s appearant what they should be doing.

Being critical is fine.

Daily doom-posting is unhealthy.
- anti-lame

No it isn’t actually. Very therapeutic actually

not miracles at all in any way. vinny made that deal happen. pronger was sent where all injured contracts are sent, wasn't some great original idea.
- hello it's me 2050

No not actually. That’s nots not where the contracts were sent. No one was doing that at the time. At least not like it is common now. The pronger deal was one of the first if not the first major contract moves of its kind. And no even the Vinny deal it wasn’t common to move the contract of player clearly washed up like he was. It was more common to buy out or trade the contract with high draft capital to move it. Which hexy did not do.

No not actually. That’s nots not where the contracts were sent. No one was doing that at the time. At least not like it is common now. The pronger deal was one of the first if not the first major contract moves of its kind. And no even the Vinny deal it wasn’t common to move the contract of player clearly washed up like he was. It was more common to buy out or trade the contract with high draft capital to move it. Which hexy did not do.
- Stayin alive

yes actually.

https://x.com/BroadStBull...-season-surgery-hernia%2F

Drysdale says he had a core-muscle injury since Game 1 with Anaheim last season.

What is it with the Flyers and trading for injured players? Also allowing a player who missed most of the previous year to play through a significant injury that needed surgery was just malpractice. Either the Flyers knew this and approved or they missed it and are not competent. Neither is a good look but Drysdale hinted as much in previous statements.

Both Coots and Drysdale playing through significant injuries during a rebuild year just goes to show where the Flyers mindset is at.

https://x.com/BroadStBull...-season-surgery-hernia%2F

Drysdale says he had a core-muscle injury since Game 1 with Anaheim last season.

What is it with the Flyers and trading for injured players? Also allowing a player who missed most of the previous year to play through a significant injury that needed surgery was just malpractice. Either the Flyers knew this and approved or they missed it and are not competent. Neither is a good look but Drysdale hinted as much in previous statements.

Both Coots and Drysdale playing through significant injuries during a rebuild year just goes to show where the Flyers mindset is at.
- Flyers_01

did you not see the comments Danny boy made yesterday about that? they loved it he played through it

Really good discussion with Charlie O'Connor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfI3MgXgbzY

At 12:20, really good question thet discuss, does the Briere/Jones plan resemble the Hextall plan and is the a death sentence?
- jd250

Just another source for you to be manipulated by.

Just another source for you to be manipulated by.
- MJL

Honest question. What is your problem with this source? Charlie O'connor was the lead Flyers writer for The Athletic for a long while. I would say he is a good source and pretty dialed in to what is going on with the team.

Honest question. What is your problem with this source? Charlie O'connor was the lead Flyers writer for The Athletic for a long while. I would say he is a good source and pretty dialed in to what is going on with the team.
- MBFlyerfan

I didn't say I had an issue with the source. I said that it was another source for him to be manipulated by. His opinion and outlook on the Flyers will waiver and change daily depending on what he read and or what he listened to. He does not take in information and then formulate his own opinion, right or wrong. Not to mention that he normally misinterprets what is said. As evidenced by the recent Youtube video he linked for the Keith Jones presser

That being said, although I don't read or listen to everything he does. I think he is mediocre. I think he has become more of a mouthpiece for the team from what I gather from my limited viewing of his work. I think he was much better when he was with the Athletic than now

OK that's a touch dramatic considering that he didn't get the C until mid Feb...
And he played well and found his stride Nov and Dec when he played a bunch and THEN fell off a cliff. So yeah watching his ice time will help him. That said, reel in the dislike. Is he overpaid for his contract? Probably. Is he a sad sack of $hit when he hits the ice? Nope. Should he be a 1C? On a good team? No... On ours as currently built? Yes (until something better comes along or he gets hurt).
Let's step away from the hate mongering...
- FlyersGrace

This isn’t dramatic. He couldn’t score until a scored a goofy penalty shot goal. I’d say he was playing OK to start the season.

Now let me ask this. Does it look like Torts is wearing a Stop Watch while he’s coaching a game? I don’t feel sorry for Coots. Guys like you want to take away his workload as he accepts his 7.75 million a season. Giving him less work isn’t going to make him invincible. It’s along season. Either he’s going to get hurt or he isn’t. Either he can play or he can’t.

God, I wish my job would pay me more and take some of my duties away so I could be more comfortable.

Just another source for you to be manipulated by.
- MJL

Just another example, I bring content and hockey discussion to this forum, you bring conflict and insults. You prove my point every single day! You add no value.

I really think that is not accurate.

As far as the benching Torts didn't communicate with the media or Couterier or the team. He just did it, that's on Torts. Tell the player you think he needs a rest, tell the media he needs a rest, don't just do it without an explanation and allow people to think the worst. Coots basically fed into the worst case theories when he said that Torts hadn't really talked to him about it.

Coots was overused and had injuries. Trying to grind a win out of every game and make the playoffs while leaning on Coots was Torts mistake. Couterier was never going to pull himself out of a game to rest, the coach needs to save the players from themselves, Torts doesn't do that.

As far as the 4th line, even with his dying breath he was still better than some of the players playing higher than him. Just horrible long term asset management all-around regarding Coots. Exhaustion and injuries alone probably cost him a year of NHL longevity but that doesn't matter to Torts.

What it comes down to is Torts has horrible communication skills and loves to stoke outrage so it works for him.
- Flyers_01

Why does Torts have to communicate with the media or anyone else about who he scratches? When was this ever a thing for any coach?

Just another source for you to be manipulated by.
- MJL

I honestly like Charlie and he usually knows what is going on w the club. I wouldn't say he is manipulated by him. Not speaking for him but I think when he posts others thoughts from blogs he is trying to just demonstrate what others are saying and hearing. I could be totally wrong tho...

This isn’t dramatic. He couldn’t score until a scored a goofy penalty shot goal. I’d say he was playing OK to start the season.

Now let me ask this. Does it look like Torts is wearing a Stop Watch while he’s coaching a game? I don’t feel sorry for Coots. Guys like you want to take away his workload as he accepts his 7.75 million a season. Giving him less work isn’t going to make him invincible. It’s along season. Either he’s going to get hurt or he isn’t. Either he can play or he can’t.

God, I wish my job would pay me more and take some of my duties away so I could be more comfortable.
- roenick97

So coaches should not be monitoring players ice time?

Honest question. What is your problem with this source? Charlie O'connor was the lead Flyers writer for The Athletic for a long while. I would say he is a good source and pretty dialed in to what is going on with the team.
- MBFlyerfan

Thank you MB! My point here was not to start a argument over whether Charlie O'Connor is a good source or not, nor was it to say I agree with everything in this segment. All I said is I thought it was an insightful discussion about Briere and his plans. What really interested me was at the end of the segment they talked about a criticism that I hadn't heard before, that the Briere/Jones plan remembles the Hextall plan too much. Specifcially in terms of showing patience, draft and develop and Briere getting lucky with Michkov compared to Hextall getting lucky getting the 2nd overall pick in 2017. The big difference according to O'Connor was that Hextall didn't draft well enough to execute his plan, but that the plan itself could work here if Briere does a better job drafting. I thought it was worthwhile discussion. Is there a resemblence? It didn't occur to me before I heard the question get asked.

This isn’t dramatic. He couldn’t score until a scored a goofy penalty shot goal. I’d say he was playing OK to start the season.

Now let me ask this. Does it look like Torts is wearing a Stop Watch while he’s coaching a game? I don’t feel sorry for Coots. Guys like you want to take away his workload as he accepts his 7.75 million a season. Giving him less work isn’t going to make him invincible. It’s along season. Either he’s going to get hurt or he isn’t. Either he can play or he can’t.

God, I wish my job would pay me more and take some of my duties away so I could be more comfortable.
- roenick97

Let's completely ignore that he didn't play hockey in nearly two years. The players were absolutely pissed at Torts.

As a Coach for a long time you are keeping track of ice time - kind of a big part of coaching actually. I don't want my 4th line playing more than my second line. If I now a player is hurting you HAVE to be cognizant of his ice time. They knew he was playing through multiple injuries and did nothing about it.