Torts is the HC - ultimately it his responsibility. Here is a word that Torts loves: ACCOUNTABILITY. As long as he does not have to be accountable.
- Flyfly

Sean Couturier is team captain. When the Flyers lose a game because the team isn’t motivated, do we say “Sean Couturier” lost us the game?

At least when the PP is bad, some of you know which coach is running the PP.

It's a familiar pattern and it's clear to me where he gets his opinions from. Often parroting what he hears a GM coach or some other info from an article, blog, podcast or online video.
- MJL

100% agree.

And then will argue with bill who sounds like the disgruntled fans here on hb most of the time and defend the parroted position and next minute say well I would’ve done it this way or that way.


You can’t have it both ways. You can’t sit there and say well flyers can make it work etc etc etc but I’d trade tk. It’s either or. Hence the softball questions to the team or follow up softballs questions. Never the critical hard pressing questions. Ever. From anyone of the beat writers.


Meanwhile those nationally are laughing at Philly moves and opening questioning how or why they’d do the things they are doing. Pretty clear how it goes.


So to take anything from local guys and put any or more than maybe a little weight in decisions you make for yourself regarding team is pretty stupid imo.

Much of your post here is not hockey related. Which makes you a hypocrite. Your opinions don't seem to be very informed as they are often lacking any basis in fact nor show any sign of having any knowledge or insight behind them. You have a forum here to try and show how uninformed I am. Good luck with that.
- MJL

while you post about noting hockey related

Sean Couturier is team captain. When the Flyers lose a game because the team isn’t motivated, do we say “Sean Couturier” lost us the game?

At least when the PP is bad, some of you know which coach is running the PP.
- roenick97

Apologies, but I am having a hard time understanding your correlation. So a loss is b/c of Coots being unmotivated?!? Huh!?!?

We are talking about Torts handling of the situation - which was absolute BS and the team essentially turned on him. You can talk about Walker and he being the reason they missed the playoffs. He may have been a part of it but the Team quit on Torts after the way he handled the Coots situation. Then sealed the deal when he went to the media to call out the team. Torts knew he screwed up but a little too late..

And about the PP: who is the HC? Again, if you are HC you are responsible for everything. Has Torts been accountable by not doing a thing to improve the PP? Should Rocky still be here?!?

You guys keep blaming Torts, when the Flyers have an entire staff. I’m not seeing the guy on TV with a stop watch.
- roenick97

It's 2024. No one uses a stopwatch. Usage data is at the coaches finger tips in game. Torts could 100% limit Coots minutes using data he receives in game. Torts is the head coach. If some other coach manages that aspect then Torts can provide usage guidelines to that coach.

Torts rode Coots into the ground. Needlessly in my opinion.

Thank you MB! My point here was not to start a argument over whether Charlie O'Connor is a good source or not, nor was it to say I agree with everything in this segment. All I said is I thought it was an insightful discussion about Briere and his plans. What really interested me was at the end of the segment they talked about a criticism that I hadn't heard before, that the Briere/Jones plan remembles the Hextall plan too much. Specifcially in terms of showing patience, draft and develop and Briere getting lucky with Michkov compared to Hextall getting lucky getting the 2nd overall pick in 2017. The big difference according to O'Connor was that Hextall didn't draft well enough to execute his plan, but that the plan itself could work here if Briere does a better job drafting. I thought it was worthwhile discussion. Is there a resemblence? It didn't occur to me before I heard the question get asked.
- jd250

I posted an aticle about this the other day...

He proves our point every single day. He is not here to promote hockey talk, he is here solely to insult and cause conflict.
- jd250

If I may ask out of curiosity: why engage him then? The man is not an unknown commodity. He has been consistent in his limitations for almost 2 decades now.

And if you do, for any reason, why not say what you want to and move on? The man has enormous problems. This board provides him with a forum to engage in primal scream therapy for his problems. Do you really think he is interested in a discussion with you in the conventional sense?

Very true! There is a saying, you don't pick your family. Well, I guess you don't pick your hockey teams either. I feel at this stage in my life I am a Flyers fan for life, no matter what they do. Its frustrating though, especially now.

A lot of things in this segment resonated with me. First I am disappointed more was not done this off-season to move this rebuild forward. Yes having Michkov here will be great, but nothing else was done. That is astoonishing to me. Second, it is true that when we here silence that is the time Briere strikes. Its possible something is in the works and we will not know about it until it happens. That is how it was with Guathier fror example. Thirdly, since nothing was done his off-season to move the rebuild forward, it just doesn't make sense to extend TK, and finally, the similarity with the Hextall years.

As far as rebuild versus retool, if Briere does not do everything he can to get a top 5 pick in the next draft, then clearly its not a rebuild, its a retool.
- jd250

why didnt he do everything he can to get a top 5 pick in the 24 draft? yet he wanted to move up? doesnt sound like a gm with a solid plan

it is a retool not a rebuild for the 39th thousand time

Unlike you that decides for example that Briere and Jones will fail miserably, even before they completed their first day in their new roles, I like to get as much information as I can so I can have an informed opinion. Like I said, its posts like this that just continue to prove my point. I mean, how can you come on this forum and act like you are the most informed person in the room when you crap on every single source of information that is out there? Every writer, every employee, every article, every podcast, etc. etc. Unless you are employed by the Flyers, which clearly you are not, though I know you wear Flyers footy pajamas, you really must be the least informed person on this forum.
- jd250

Unlike you that decides for example that Briere and Jones will fail miserably, even before they completed their first day in their new roles, I like to get as much information as I can so I can have an informed opinion. Like I said, its posts like this that just continue to prove my point. I mean, how can you come on this forum and act like you are the most informed person in the room when you crap on every single source of information that is out there? Every writer, every employee, every article, every podcast, etc. etc. Unless you are employed by the Flyers, which clearly you are not, though I know you wear Flyers footy pajamas, you really must be the least informed person on this forum.
- jd250

It's 2024. No one uses a stopwatch. Usage data is at the coaches finger tips in game. Torts could 100% limit Coots minutes using data he receives in game. Torts is the head coach. If some other coach manages that aspect then Torts can provide usage guidelines to that coach.

Torts rode Coots into the ground. Needlessly in my opinion.
- mickel25

They literally have in-game metrics on the iPads that can be accessed at any point.

The "rebuild" is complete in their eyes. They've acquired future picks. They want to be competitive this season, why else make the signings that they have and will make. If they get a top pick next season, it won't be due to a solid plan and execution of that plan. It will be due to luck and incompetence. Just like they lucked into the 5th overall pick. Then proceeded to screw that up. Jones gave the plan away. The timeline is when the cap clears up and they have to decisions to make and they have to get them right. There is no doubt that they will escalate and go right back to the same approach that they had when Fletcher was the GM. No doubt about it. They think they have the right approach but just have to do it better. They will be right back into the same endless circle of incompetence.
- MJL

what signings they make so far?

Unlike you that decides for example that Briere and Jones will fail miserably, even before they completed their first day in their new roles, I like to get as much information as I can so I can have an informed opinion. Like I said, its posts like this that just continue to prove my point. I mean, how can you come on this forum and act like you are the most informed person in the room when you crap on every single source of information that is out there? Every writer, every employee, every article, every podcast, etc. etc. Unless you are employed by the Flyers, which clearly you are not, though I know you wear Flyers footy pajamas, you really must be the least informed person on this forum.
- jd250

Step 1)rebuild…. Get high end talent.

Everything they DO goes contradicting to accomplishing step 1

We know how this movie ends. Seen it over and over. The question is how does anyone NOT poop all over everything they do until they perform step 1?

Step 1)rebuild…. Get high end talent.

Everything they DO goes contradicting to accomplishing step 1

We know how this movie ends. Seen it over and over. The question is how does anyone NOT poop all over everything they do until they perform step 1?
- Stayin alive

I don't agree with this whatsoever but they think they have a plan that will work. I really believe it is simple as that honestly. It's like the "smartest man in the room" syndrome but replacing it with the triumvirate. I mean Danny was mentored by Chucky Two-Trades Flether, LOL!

Being critical is fine.

Daily doom-posting is unhealthy.
- anti-lame

It is not 'doom' posting per se. It is daily posting. There isn't much happening that can generate new opinions, esp in the off-season, for everyday takes. And since the ship is slowly sailing in the wrong direction, what you hear from people everyday is reflections of that basic fact.

I get it. I like to listen to a lot of the local guys as well. Charlie is articulate and often has a lot of interesting points. A lot of times I try and form my own opinions but take into consideration what others are saying. Where you and I differ is the "rebuild." To me it is a retool on the fly and they are going to have to thread the needle and have a lot of luck for this to work. I hope it works but I am not confident right now nor the past decade. Feels like more of the same but time will ultimately be the judge.

I don't think anyone is wrong w having their own opinion. We can all disagree but at the end of the day we cant do anything about it. It's like being a fan of any other team. Sometimes you feel confident about the way things are going and sometimes you just want to scream b/c they make bad decisions. Over the years the Flyers have rarely made the right decisions.

- Flyfly

Nah (frank) that. It’s one thing to disagree on things like which player to sign or get. Which to trade which player is better which player should play on with who etc etc etc. there is no debate as facts show team needs rebuild. The time has long passed for benefit of doubt. Complacency with rhetoric and lies. Making excuse for deliberately going againgst what team states goal is that everyone know is base for what’s needed to eventually maybe become contender. Top end talent rebuild. It’s not ok to passively even try to think well let’s see if or how what they are doing has a chance. All it is is a marketing ploy to get dummies to spend on them

Nah (frank) that. It’s one thing to disagree on things like which player to sign or get. Which to trade which player is better which player should play on with who etc etc etc. there is no debate as facts show team needs rebuild. The time has long passed for benefit of doubt. Complacency with rhetoric and lies. Making excuse for deliberately going againgst what team states goal is that everyone know is base for what’s needed to eventually maybe become contender. Top end talent rebuild. It’s not ok to passively even try to think well let’s see if or how what they are doing has a chance. All it is is a marketing ploy to get dummies to spend on them
- Stayin alive

Completely get where you are coming from and for the most part I agree. If anything I am apathetic about the team and have been for some time. Apathy might be worse than being pissed off at this point lol.

I was hoping the triumvirate would be different, but as it stand now, that is not happening. Like I have said a thousand times - they are trying to thread the needle and courting on a lot of luck. We know what the results will be if that is the plan.

They need elite talent (and even admit it) but seemingly commit to every draft at picking in the middle of the pack.

If I may ask out of curiosity: why engage him then? The man is not an unknown commodity. He has been consistent in his limitations for almost 2 decades now.

And if you do, for any reason, why not say what you want to and move on? The man has enormous problems. This board provides him with a forum to engage in primal scream therapy for his problems. Do you really think he is interested in a discussion with you in the conventional sense?
- PT21

You have some good suggestions here. Just wonder why you find the need to be so mean spirited?

I don't agree with this whatsoever but they think they have a plan that will work. I really believe it is simple as that honestly. It's like the "smartest man in the room" syndrome but replacing it with the triumvirate. I mean Danny was mentored by Chucky Two-Trades Flether, LOL!
- Flyfly

We know what the plan should be. Step one rebuild high end talent. We have current history to show that over the last decade. (See sj/chi)

They know that and we know they know that by narrative when db took over. Used rebuild and high end talent

So why would they lie? What motivation to deceive fans or if you want to give them the benefit of doubt (idk why you would but) to deviate from the narrative or plan of rebuild/high end talent?


Can only be one thing…. Put asses in the seats as priority 1. Profits.

The evidence is clear by the gimmicks every year.
Gritty
New era
Etc
Etc
Etc


None of what they do goes towards anything other than asses in seats

It is not 'doom' posting per se. It is daily posting. There isn't much happening that can generate new opinions, esp in the off-season, for everyday takes. And since the ship is slowly sailing in the wrong direction, what you hear from people everyday is reflections of that basic fact.
- PT21

100 % agree. had they traded tk laughts etc drafted the player widely accepted possible high end talent they discussion here would be more positive and geared to what people would want next

We know what the plan should be. Step one rebuild high end talent. We have current history to show that over the last decade. (See sj/chi)

They know that and we know they know that by narrative when db took over. Used rebuild and high end talent

So why would they lie? What motivation to deceive fans or if you want to give them the benefit of doubt (idk why you would but) to deviate from the narrative or plan of rebuild/high end talent?


Can only be one thing…. Put asses in the seats as priority 1. Profits.

The evidence is clear by the gimmicks every year.
Gritty
New era
Etc
Etc
Etc


None of what they do goes towards anything other than asses in seats
- Stayin alive

ATM it seems like they lucked in to one potential elite player in Michkov, checked that box, and said Done! Step 2.

You have some good suggestions here. Just wonder why you find the need to be so mean spirited?
- Dkos

This is not being mean-spirited, anymore than saying Biden is personally unfit to be President is mean-spirited to the elderly. This is, like the latter, is being blunt about a problem.

Enforcing a sense of amity by personal example is fine. But sticking to that and doing no more is also enabling, and I think it is past time you dismount from that pathetic high-horse where you have hoisted yourself.

Completely get where you are coming from and for the most part I agree. If anything I am apathetic about the team and have been for some time. Apathy might be worse than being pissed off at this point lol.

I was hoping the triumvirate would be different, but as it stand now, that is not happening. Like I have said a thousand times - they are trying to thread the needle and courting on a lot of luck. We know what the results will be if that is the plan.

They need elite talent (and even admit it) but seemingly commit to every draft at picking in the middle of the pack.
- Flyfly

100% agree. Apathy is worse. That’s where I’m at mostly although pissed does come on too. I’m now however to the point where I call bs that the narrative they know they need high end talent etc even is a thought in their heads. They prove otherwise with every move they make. They lucked into mm and yet they still can’t get it right. I have zero faith the won’t do anything other than (frank) poop up over next few years and the next group will take over.


And hope will arises again somewhat. Actions. I need actions. Now trade tk? Laughts? Yeah I’m back on board watching and you gaining some benefit back. But we know that’s not happening

ATM it seems like they lucked in to one potential elite player in Michkov, checked that box, and said Done! Step 2.
- MBFlyerfan

Check that box? Not even close. Well I hope they didn’t check that box or anyone thinks that box is checked. You next at least a few high end talents at key positions to have a chance.

But yes they totally lucked into mm. But they are (frank)ing it up. No big surprise.

To be fair if you’re gonna scratch your captain (which nobody ever does, it’s a unwritten rule that almost never happens) yeah you better speak to media and fans of why you did
- Stayin alive

We can discuss if scratching was the correct thing to do or not but that's a different story. He could've easily provided cover for Couturier. All he had to say was that he is banged up and struggling physically as his game has dropped off. We want to give him some time to heal up. He didn't do that though. Like the bumhole that he is, he had to embarrass him.