It's very possible that Torts retires from coaching after this year and is running the Flyers FO within the next 5 years.
- Flyers_01

Alumni have the most prestige.

Okay, is Erik Johnson the only player that can do that for Michkov? My point is that in my opinion, none of that justifies the re-signing of Johnson.
- MJL

So Johnson was signed to build the culture? I can't see him add quality or getting the flyers higher in the dead nomansland race.

Not true. If the player starts with the team out of training camp, the team has 9 games to see if he fits, before the elc kicks in , regardless of if he is sent down after say 11 games.

The difference here is that a player joining the team at seasons end just needs to play in 1 game to activate the elc.

Gauthier played in the Ducks' game 82. He burnt the first year of his elc by doing that.
- TheFreak

That's what I said yesterday but he then used this as a reply

Ginning would sit until injury or if a guy needed a break. Waste to have him sit
- WhiskeyMan

ginning is going to be 25. he is no longer a prospect. having him as the 6th/7th would be fine. let him practice with the nhl team. ;et the coaches see him everyday

zamula, attard, ginning should be the 3 battling for 5-6-7 spot on the team. that is what a rebuilding team would be doing.

wast to sign EJ just like a waste to keep seeler.

Rules for an ELC:

In the NHL, a player's entry-level contract (ELC) slides (does not count towards the contract's term) unless the player plays 10 or more NHL games in a given season. Once a player reaches 10 games played in a season, it counts as a year towards their ELC, provided they signed the contract at age 18 or 19. This means that if a player plays fewer than 10 games in a season, their contract does not advance and they still have three years remaining on their ELC.

Once a player turns 20 years old, playing even just one NHL game in a season is sufficient to "burn" or use up one year of their entry-level contract (ELC). This rule applies regardless of whether the player was 18 or 19 when they signed their ELC. Once they reach age 20, each season in which they play at least one NHL game counts as one year towards their contract, reducing the total duration of their ELC accordingly.

Quitter didn't turn 20 until Jan 19th of this year, meaning when this entire thing was going down between he and the Flyers back in May of 2023 he was 19 yers old. If Briere had signed Quitter to an ELC back in March of 2023, he would have had to play 10 games with the Flyers to burn his first year. Fletcher was fired on March 10th, the same time the 2023 BC college season ended. The Flyers had 17 more games that season, thus if Briere decided to sign Quitter right after his college season he could have burned his first year with the Flyers.

ginning is going to be 25. he is no longer a prospect. having him as the 6th/7th would be fine. let him practice with the nhl team. ;et the coaches see him everyday

zamula, attard, ginning should be the 3 battling for 5-6-7 spot on the team. that is what a rebuilding team would be doing.

wast to sign EJ just like a waste to keep seeler.
- hello it's me 2050

The only thing I can think of is given all the injuries the Flyers had on defense last season they just want another veteran that can step in. The problem I have is Torts has shown he will play veternas into the ground if you let him, so the only way to stop this is to take away his toys so he has no choice but play a young player. Briere seemed to indicate that Andrae and MacDonald are going to be ready this season, so if that is true, why sign EJ at this point? I know Briere says he will not block anyone but even if EJ plays 30 games this season, that is 30 games Hunter or Andrae could have played, who are part of the future supposedly. EJ is not unless he will eventually become a development coach down the line. No need for this signing, nor was there a need to sign Hathaway for two more years. No logic to either of these signings.

The only thing I can think of is given all the injuries the Flyers had on defense last season they just want another veteran that can step in. The problem I have is Torts has shown he will play veternas into the ground if you let him, so the only way to stop this is to take away his toys so he has no choice but play a young player. Briere seemed to indicate that Andrae and MacDonald are going to be ready this season, so if that is true, why sign EJ at this point? I know Briere says he will not block anyone but even if EJ plays 30 games this season, that is 30 games Hunter or Andrae could have played, who are part of the future supposedly. EJ is not unless he will eventually become a development coach down the line. No need for this signing, nor was there a need to sign Hathaway for two more years. No logic to either of these signings.
- jd250

Two good posts in a row. Keep it up.

The only thing I can think of is given all the injuries the Flyers had on defense last season they just want another veteran that can step in. The problem I have is Torts has shown he will play veternas into the ground if you let him, so the only way to stop this is to take away his toys so he has no choice but play a young player. Briere seemed to indicate that Andrae and MacDonald are going to be ready this season, so if that is true, why sign EJ at this point? I know Briere says he will not block anyone but even if EJ plays 30 games this season, that is 30 games Hunter or Andrae could have played, who are part of the future supposedly. EJ is not unless he will eventually become a development coach down the line. No need for this signing, nor was there a need to sign Hathaway for two more years. No logic to either of these signings.
- jd250

I have to ask, (not you specifically), but when are Sanheim (age 28, starting his 8th season), Ristolainen (age 29, starting his 12th season), and Seeler (age 31, starting his 8th season) to be considered veterans by the organization?

Do they feel like these guys cant be bothered? So lets bring in Marc Staal, then Eric Johnson? I guess. At some point you got to take off the training wheels and let them fall down a few times.

I have to ask, (not you specifically), but when are Sanheim (age 28, starting his 8th season), Ristolainen (age 29, starting his 12th season), and Seeler (age 31, starting his 8th season) to be considered veterans by the organization?

Do they feel like these guys cant be bothered? So lets bring in Marc Staal, then Eric Johnson? I guess. At some point you got to take off the training wheels and let them fall down a few times.
- MBFlyerfan

Personally, I think the mentoring deal is part of it. More than that, I think this organization is just too afraid to fail. They have to have their security blankets. They are just unwilling to commit fully to youth and deal with what comes with that. Like you said, let them fall down if that's what needs to happen. There has to be a balance to where it's a possibility that it becomes detrimental to a player. The longer you delay the inevitable growing pains, the longer it takes. The longer it takes you to find out about a player.

I have to ask, (not you specifically), but when are Sanheim (age 28, starting his 8th season), Ristolainen (age 29, starting his 12th season), and Seeler (age 31, starting his 8th season) to be considered veterans by the organization?

Do they feel like these guys cant be bothered? So lets bring in Marc Staal, then Eric Johnson? I guess. At some point you got to take off the training wheels and let them fall down a few times.
- MBFlyerfan

Especially with Seeler who Briere commited 4 more years to (first two with a NMC). We were told Seeler plays the game the right way. Ok, I buy that. So isn't he enough to show others on the team? The Flyers also have Couts, who I think we are stuck with, and Hathaway. How many veterans does this team need to show the younger players how to play? I really feel the EJ signing and the Hathaway extension was specifically to appease Torts. There is no other reason for this that I can think of.

Especially with Seeler who Briere commited 4 more years to (first two with a NMC). We were told Seeler plays the game the right way. Ok, I buy that. So isn't he enough to show others on the team? The Flyers also have Couts, who I think we are stuck with, and Hathaway. How many veterans does this team need to show the younger players how to play? I really feel the EJ signing and the Hathaway extension was specifically to appease Torts. There is no other reason for this that I can think of.
- jd250

I will never understand the 4 years to Seeler. In no world does it make sense. Am I expected to believe that other team were offering 2.7 for 4 years and the Flyers somehow felt like they needed to match that? I feel like they were bidding against themselves. And an NTC for the first 2 years? Baffling.

Not true. If the player starts with the team out of training camp, the team has 9 games to see if he fits, before the elc kicks in , regardless of if he is sent down after say 11 games.

The difference here is that a player joining the team at seasons end just needs to play in 1 game to activate the elc.

Gauthier played in the Ducks' game 82. He burnt the first year of his elc by doing that.
- TheFreak

Freak, I just read the relevant pages (23-27) of the 2013 CBA because what you wrote seems to defy common sense. There is nothing that modifies the ELC rules because of a trading of negotiation rights.

If the player is already 20 (has turned or will turn 20 by sept 15 of the calendar year in which he signs), his ELC starts right away and is independent of how many games he plays. It does not slide. So, Cutter could have played 0 to all games with Ducks after signing in 2024 and the year would have been burnt anyway.

Especially with Seeler who Briere commited 4 more years to (first two with a NMC). We were told Seeler plays the game the right way. Ok, I buy that. So isn't he enough to show others on the team? The Flyers also have Couts, who I think we are stuck with, and Hathaway. How many veterans does this team need to show the younger players how to play? I really feel the EJ signing and the Hathaway extension was specifically to appease Torts. There is no other reason for this that I can think of.
- jd250

Signing these guys does suggest that the Flyers don’t feel like their best veteran players are players who play the “right way”. As much as I also see it as a waste of space to have guys like EJ I also kind of agree that the Flyers top players, players like Coots and Sanheim, are not terribly inspirational.

Signing these guys does suggest that the Flyers don’t feel like their best veteran players are players who play the “right way”. As much as I also see it as a waste of space to have guys like EJ I also kind of agree that the Flyers top players, players like Coots and Sanheim, are not terribly inspirational.
- Dkos

Sanheim is a great example of what a player should strive for. How many people here bagged on him for being weak and soft. He hit the gym, bulked up, and played the best year of his career while being forced into the number one role.

Freak, I just read the relevant pages (23-27) of the 2013 CBA because what you wrote seems to defy common sense. There is nothing that modifies the ELC rules because of a trading of negotiation rights.

If the player is already 20 (has turned or will turn 20 by sept 15 of the calendar year in which he signs), his ELC starts right away and is independent of how many games he plays. It does not slide. So, Cutter could have played 0 to all games with Ducks after signing in 2024 and the year would have been burnt anyway.
- PT21

I never said anything about a trade.
A player joining the team when his junior/ college season ends is joining the team late in the season, ala Gauthier. He played 1 game, and wrote off his first year. The Flyers have done this with Mike Vecchione a bunch of years back. Signed him to a contract out of college, and he played a few games and wrote off his first year of elc. This exact signing and situation is why the stance of Gauthier and burning his first year is such a sore topic for me. They did it for Vecchione, but not Gauthier.

I never said anything about a trade.
A player joining the team when his junior/ college season ends is joining the team late in the season, ala Gauthier. He played 1 game, and wrote off his first year. The Flyers have done this with Mike Vecchione a bunch of years back. Signed him to a contract out of college, and he played a few games and wrote off his first year of elc. This exact signing and situation is why the stance of Gauthier and burning his first year is such a sore topic for me. They did it for Vecchione, but not Gauthier.
- TheFreak

Also Brink IIRC

I never said anything about a trade.
A player joining the team when his junior/ college season ends is joining the team late in the season, ala Gauthier. He played 1 game, and wrote off his first year. The Flyers have done this with Mike Vecchione a bunch of years back. Signed him to a contract out of college, and he played a few games and wrote off his first year of elc. This exact signing and situation is why the stance of Gauthier and burning his first year is such a sore topic for me. They did it for Vecchione, but not Gauthier.
- TheFreak

Fair enough, but I dont see any modification of the ELC clauses dependent on when the player joins the team: out of camp, mid season or end of season. The only relevant issues seem to be age.

EDIT: A college player joining the team end of season is obviously more likely to have crossed the "20 by September 15 of signing year" threshhold. So the 2 (joining camp end of season and turning 20 signing year) would be correlated. And you might have missed the second reason and thought the first one is the trigger?

Freak, I just read the relevant pages (23-27) of the 2013 CBA because what you wrote seems to defy common sense. There is nothing that modifies the ELC rules because of a trading of negotiation rights.

If the player is already 20 (has turned or will turn 20 by sept 15 of the calendar year in which he signs), his ELC starts right away and is independent of how many games he plays. It does not slide. So, Cutter could have played 0 to all games with Ducks after signing in 2024 and the year would have been burnt anyway.
- PT21

He has to play at least one game to burn the year.

Signing these guys does suggest that the Flyers don’t feel like their best veteran players are players who play the “right way”. As much as I also see it as a waste of space to have guys like EJ I also kind of agree that the Flyers top players, players like Coots and Sanheim, are not terribly inspirational.
- Dkos

Inspirational in what manner. In terms of playing the right way. Couturier is the epitome of that and has been his entire career.

Fair enough, but I dont see any modification of the ELC clauses dependent on when the player joins the team: out of camp, mid season or end of season. The only relevant issues seem to be age.

EDIT: A college player joining the team end of season is obviously more likely to have crossed the "20 by September 15 of signing year" threshhold. So the 2 (joining camp end of season and turning 20 signing year) would be correlated. And you might have missed the second reason and thought the first one is the trigger?
- PT21

When the player joins the team, doesn't matter. Whether the slide rule and the 10 game mark applies is determined by the age of the player

He has to play at least one game to burn the year.
- MJL

The language seems to clearly statet that the possibility of the sliding of the contract applies only to those who are not yet 20 by the 15th of September of signing year.

For those who are older, that provision of sliding is not applicable at all. It becomes like any other SPC.

So, the provision of 10 games, sliding etc simply does not apply to this category. Whether they play 0 games, or 82, if they are signed for that season of signing, it counts as the first year of the contract.

Does anyone know what happened to Black Hand and Philly WhiteOut?

Does anyone know what happened to Black Hand and Philly WhiteOut?
- PT21

some scumbag got black hand banned until sept

some scumbag got black hand banned until sept
- hello it's me 2050

Oh. What did he do??

Oh. What did he do??
- PT21

something to do with a post and rick due pic...not sure all of the particulars