Nice! It just like capfriendly!
- jd250

I liked it too...

LOL..Seeler the second highest paid healthy dman next year behind only Sanheim

Par for the course on this forum Bill. Didn't you know Torts is the reason why everything is wrong with the Flyers these days?
- jd250

I blame Torts for Cam York becoming the player he is

It's similar but not just like it. Better than nothing.
- MJL

You sound like a child who doesn’t like what’s for dinner 😂

4 games = long look
- hello its me 2050

As much as Briere and Jones say Torts is their guy, I am seriously starting to question if there is a serious disconnect between Torts and Briere/Jones. This is one such example, but I also point to Couts getting the 'C'. Torts was adament this past year that a 'C' would not be named this season. Then right before the outdoor game against the Devils, Couts is named captain? It seemed odd to me at the time and only seems more odd to me as time has passed, especially after Couts is benched by Torts. I don't think there was a reason to name a captain before the outdoor game, was there? Maybe for a special faceoff at center ice that Laughton could have taken? Like I said, I believe the EJ signing and the Hathaway extension was more for Torts than anyone else. The team certainly does not need EJ this season, and I will bet no one was stressing over Hathaway's contract, except maybe Hathaway, his family and Torts. I don't know, benching Frost for 8 straight games, getting ejected from a game and suspended, benching the captain of the team who we now know had another injury, not showing up for pressers or leaving them early. At some point you have to put this all together and really wonder how in lockstep Torts, Briere and Jones really are. I certainly know one thing. There is something stopping Briere from really shaking up this roster, getting it younger and getting a top 5 pick in a top heavy draft. Could that something be Torts?

I liked it too...

LOL..Seeler the second highest paid healthy dman next year behind only Sanheim
- TheFreak

Hey, the price per blocked shot has risen dramatically because of inflation.

As much as Briere and Jones say Torts is their guy, I am seriously starting to question if there is a serious disconnect between Torts and Briere/Jones. This is one such example, but I also point to Couts getting the 'C'. Torts was adament this past year that a 'C' would not be named this season. Then right before the outdoor game against the Devils, Couts is named captain? It seemed odd to me at the time and only seems more odd to me as time has passed, especially after Couts is benched by Torts. I don't think there was a reason to name a captain before the outdoor game, was there? Maybe for a special faceoff at center ice that Laughton could have taken? Like I said, I believe the EJ signing and the Hathaway extension was more for Torts than anyone else. The team certainly does not need EJ this season, and I will bet no one was stressing over Hathaway's contract, except maybe Hathaway, his family and Torts. I don't know, benching Frost for 8 straight games, getting ejected from a game and suspended, benching the captain of the team who we now know had another injury, not showing up for pressers or leaving them early. At some point you have to put this all together and really wonder how in lockstep Torts, Briere and Jones really are. I certainly know one thing. There is something stopping Briere from really shaking up this roster, getting it younger and getting a top 5 pick in a top heavy. Could that something be Torts?
- jd250

Slowly but surely.

Slowly but surely.
- MJL

Hey, I'm trying to become a critical thinker

But seroiusly, I see both sides of things, I really do. I am a Flyers fan and first and foremost I want them to suceed. I was not happy with the Torts signing as you know, but as a fan I wanted him to succeed for the Flyers sake. I'll be honest, I think a lot in the same way as Torts when it comes to hockey, and I do love dogs. But I cannot ignore the events that have occured, nor can I ignore the differences in what Briere says and what Torts does. Briere did say Gurianov would get a long look, but then only gets 4 games? Did something happen behind the scenes we don't know about? Possibly. Otherwise there is a discrepency here that is unexplained. You know what I think, Torts said the hell with evaluation, I want to play playoff games. Briere has supported Frost consistently and even praised him for how he handled this past season. I am not the biggest Frost fan as you know, but no way he deserved to sit 8 games in a row and Torts really didn't have a good excuse other than the team was playing good at the time. I know Briere and Jones value what Torts teaches, but they clearly cannot value how he is teaching it. I learned this in life a long time ago, be careful to never let the nagative outweigh the positive in the scales of life or people's perceptions. There has been good things from Torts in the past two years, but things like what I just mentioned are starting to push the scale back to neutral and if Torts is not careful, it can quickly get away from him, forcing Briere to have to a make a decision.

His point had nothing to do with stating that the injuries were similar. His point was hoping that Drysdale doesn't continue to have long term injury issues.
- MJL

So then how about this, instead of being the typical negative Flyers fan, come at it from a different angle.

Drysdale looked real good at times when he skated last season. Can't wait to see what he looks like without a sports hernia.

As much as Briere and Jones say Torts is their guy, I am seriously starting to question if there is a serious disconnect between Torts and Briere/Jones. This is one such example, but I also point to Couts getting the 'C'. Torts was adament this past year that a 'C' would not be named this season. Then right before the outdoor game against the Devils, Couts is named captain? It seemed odd to me at the time and only seems more odd to me as time has passed, especially after Couts is benched by Torts. I don't think there was a reason to name a captain before the outdoor game, was there? Maybe for a special faceoff at center ice that Laughton could have taken? Like I said, I believe the EJ signing and the Hathaway extension was more for Torts than anyone else. The team certainly does not need EJ this season, and I will bet no one was stressing over Hathaway's contract, except maybe Hathaway, his family and Torts. I don't know, benching Frost for 8 straight games, getting ejected from a game and suspended, benching the captain of the team who we now know had another injury, not showing up for pressers or leaving them early. At some point you have to put this all together and really wonder how in lockstep Torts, Briere and Jones really are. I certainly know one thing. There is something stopping Briere from really shaking up this roster, getting it younger and getting a top 5 pick in a top heavy draft. Could that something be Torts?
- jd250

I think the whole microscope over the coach thing is new. It used to be the coach does what the coach is gonna do and will be fired if it doesn’t work. I agree with roenick in that since when did the coach have to justify everything he does on a daily basis? If it doesn’t work than he will be fired just like every other coach but I’m not sure he owes everyone an explanation in the process.

Remember, Stayin Alive, the flyers OWE you 😂 (frank)ing hysterical

Hey, I'm trying to become a critical thinker

But seroiusly, I see both sides of things, I really do. I am a Flyers fan and first and foremost I want them to suceed. I was not happy at the Torts signing as you know, but as a fan I wanted him to succeed for the Flyers sake. I'll be honest, I think a lot in the same way as Torts when it comes to hockey, and I do love dogs. But I cannot ignore the events that have occured, nor can I ignore the differences in what Briere says and what Torts does. Briere did say Gurianov would get a long look, but then only gets 4 games? Did something happen behind the scenes we don't know about? Possibly. Otherwise there is a discrepency here that is unexplained. Briere has supported Frost consistently and even praised him for how he handled this past season. I am not the biggest Frost fan as you know, but no way he deserved to sit 8 games in a row and Torts really didn't have a good excuse other that the team was playing good at the time. I know Briere and Jones value what Torts teaches, but they clearly cannot value how he is teaching what he does. I learned this is life a long time ago, be careful to never let the nagative outweigh the positive in the scales of life or people's perceptions. There has been good things from Torts in the past two years, but things like what I just mentioned are starting to push the scale back to neutral and if Torts is not careful, it can quickly get away from him, forcing Briere to have to a make a decision.
- jd250

Reality is that you're on the back sides of things and starting to turn on Tortorella. As expected and very predictable. It's really not about your analysis or what you see. It's simply about reality and the real world being beat into you that you'll gradually start to change your opinion. Similar to how you're now doing the same concerning Konecny. He went from a player that you build around and the face of the franchise. To now being a player that you are questioning re-signing. It's not actual change on your part. It's submission to what you have finally accepted from those that know better than you do. It's just realizing that the sun came up around dinner time. It's a repeated pattern.

Hey, I'm trying to become a critical thinker

But seroiusly, I see both sides of things, I really do. I am a Flyers fan and first and foremost I want them to suceed. I was not happy at the Torts signing as you know, but as a fan I wanted him to succeed for the Flyers sake. I'll be honest, I think a lot in the same way as Torts when it comes to hockey, and I do love dogs. But I cannot ignore the events that have occured, nor can I ignore the differences in what Briere says and what Torts does. Briere did say Gurianov would get a long look, but then only gets 4 games? Did something happen behind the scenes we don't know about? Possibly. Otherwise there is a discrepency here that is unexplained. Briere has supported Frost consistently and even praised him for how he handled this past season. I am not the biggest Frost fan as you know, but no way he deserved to sit 8 games in a row and Torts really didn't have a good excuse other than the team was playing good at the time. I know Briere and Jones value what Torts teaches, but they clearly cannot value how he is teaching what he does. I learned this is life a long time ago, be careful to never let the nagative outweigh the positive in the scales of life or people's perceptions. There has been good things from Torts in the past two years, but things like what I just mentioned are starting to push the scale back to neutral and if Torts is not careful, it can quickly get away from him, forcing Briere to have to a make a decision.
- jd250

One of the problems I see with Torts is that not all players are Torts "type" players, and NOR should they be. I think he develops blind spots with players he decides arent his type and nothing can change that. I will always go back to Frost as being the prime example. You know Torts thinks Frost doesn't play defense even though the numbers tell a very different story. Its insane to me that any coach will judge a player by how hard he tells him to "(frank) off" when pushed. Conflict can be good but in many cases it is counter productive. Its not the 70's any more. I think Torts thirst for conflict was the impetus for scratching Couturier. I really do think he was trying some sort of Keenan type head games to unite the room against him bs.

Not everybody responds to be motivated by the coach calling them a pos (figuratively)

That isn't motivating. Especially when the other players see that the coach is wrong.

I dont know. Its just my opinion.

I think the whole microscope over the coach thing is new. It used to be the coach does what the coach is gonna do and will be fired if it doesn’t work. I agree with roenick in that since when did the coach have to justify everything he does on a daily basis? If it doesn’t work than he will be fired just like every other coach but I’m not sure he owes everyone an explanation in the process.

Remember, Stayin Alive, the flyers OWE you 😂 (frank)ing hysterical
- anti-lame

I didn't understand the last reference there. But I get what you are saying with how it used to be. But times are very different. People can watch every single game from anywhere in the world. The internet gives us instant news and loads of opinions. Fans can be much more connected to the team than ever before. So now everything is under the microscope, not just the coach, but the GM, the POHO, the players for sure, and even the assistant coaches. There are a lot of armchair GMs and coaches out there and a lot of them pay good money to watch and support the team. Just saying I did what I did and I don't owe you, the fan, an explanation, just won't cut it anymore.

So then how about this, instead of being the typical negative Flyers fan, come at it from a different angle.

Drysdale looked real good at times when he skated last season. Can't wait to see what he looks like without a sports hernia.
- WhiskeyMan

Don’t agree that Drysdsle looked real good at times. Maybe I blinked and missed it.

One of the problems I see with Torts is that not all players are Torts "type" players, and NOR should they be. I think he develops blind spots with players he decides arent his type and nothing can change that. I will always go back to Frost as being the prime example. You know Torts thinks Frost doesn't play defense even though the numbers tell a very different story. Its insane to me that any coach will judge a player by how hard he tells him to "(frank) off" when pushed. Conflict can be good but in many cases it is counter productive. Its not the 70's any more. I think Torts thirst for conflict was the impetus for scratching Couturier. I really do think he was trying some sort of Keenan type head games to unite the room against him bs.

Not everybody responds to be motivated by the coach calling them a pos (figuratively)

That isn't motivating. Especially when the other players see that the coach is wrong.

I dont know. Its just my opinion.
- MBFlyerfan

Its funny you say this, and BTW I agree with you, because Torts talks a lot about how today's athlete is different than years ago. How they need to understand why you are telling them to do that, versus the older generation just doing what they are told. So I see in him knowledge of how things have evolved over the decades, but he still goes back to doing old school things that he just said don't work any more. I guess its true, old habits are really hard to break.

Don’t agree that Drysdsle looked real good at times. Maybe I blinked and missed it.
- furio16

Yep you blinked

Its funny you say this, and BTW I agree with you, because Torts talks a lot about how today's athlete is different than years ago. How they need to understand why you are telling them to do that, versus the older generation just doing what they are told. So I see in him knowledge of how things have evolved over the decades, but he still goes back to doing old school things that he just said don't work any more. I guess its true, old habits are really hard to break.
- jd250

That brings me to my next point that I dont believe Torts' style of play is built for winning in todays NHL. And I think the players see that.

Yep you blinked
- WhiskeyMan

drysdale was great even while playing hurt

Bill Meltzer: Ex-Flyer Allison Signs with KHL Club
- bmeltzer

We are going to play the kids

Torts

🤣

One of the problems I see with Torts is that not all players are Torts "type" players, and NOR should they be. I think he develops blind spots with players he decides arent his type and nothing can change that. I will always go back to Frost as being the prime example. You know Torts thinks Frost doesn't play defense even though the numbers tell a very different story. Its insane to me that any coach will judge a player by how hard he tells him to "(frank) off" when pushed. Conflict can be good but in many cases it is counter productive. Its not the 70's any more. I think Torts thirst for conflict was the impetus for scratching Couturier. I really do think he was trying some sort of Keenan type head games to unite the room against him bs.

Not everybody responds to be motivated by the coach calling them a pos (figuratively)

That isn't motivating. Especially when the other players see that the coach is wrong.

I dont know. Its just my opinion.
- MBFlyerfan

Torts definitely has a “pro” in mind.

Physical fitness (to consider yourself a “professional athlete” i don’t think is a monumental ask), maturity, leadership, on-the-gas effort at all times (again, should be a requirement to be a pro athlete)

A lot of you who like to treat these guys like hockey cards, flipping them over to see the stats, don’t like these intangibles. The thing is, it’s painfully obvious when a guy doesn’t have these qualities. As a player, my degree of comfort in any given moment differed based on who had the puck or who was on the ice - if I felt they had physical ability to do what they were trying to do, or the IQ to make an appropriate decision - that was always more valuable than their ability to dangle their way out of their own bad decision. Some guys are willing to play a team game and some aren’t interested. If I’m trying to build/coach a team it’s usually obvious who is willing to buy in and who isn’t.

We are going to play the kids

Torts

🤣
- corduroy

Maybe the kids aren’t that good

Reality is that you're on the back sides of things and starting to turn on Tortorella. As expected and very predictable. It's really not about your analysis or what you see. It's simply about reality and the real world being beat into you that you'll gradually start to change your opinion. Similar to how you're now doing the same concerning Konecny. He went from a player that you build around and the face of the franchise. To now being a player that you are questioning re-signing. It's not actual change on your part. It's submission to what you have finally accepted from those that know better than you do. It's just realizing that the sun came up around dinner time. It's a repeated pattern.
- MJL

Lol what? Good god touch grass. The lack of self-awareness with some of you armchair GMs - there’s no way this doesn’t spill over into the real world.

Its as if you didn’t get employee of the month at Arbys so you come here to feel “big”

Buddy, your post is pathetic and you really should take a good look inside to what is really troubling you in life 😆

Torts definitely has a “pro” in mind.

Physical fitness (to consider yourself a “professional athlete” i don’t think is a monumental ask), maturity, leadership, on-the-gas effort at all times (again, should be a requirement to be a pro athlete)

A lot of you who like to treat these guys like hockey cards, flipping them over to see the stats, don’t like these intangibles. The thing is, it’s painfully obvious when a guy doesn’t have these qualities. As a player, my degree of comfort in any given moment differed based on who had the puck or who was on the ice - if I felt they had physical ability to do what they were trying to do, or the IQ to make an appropriate decision - that was always more valuable than their ability to dangle their way out of their own bad decision. Some guys are willing to play a team game and some aren’t interested. If I’m trying to build/coach a team it’s usually obvious who is willing to buy in and who isn’t.
- anti-lame

did you play at rizzo rink?

Torts definitely has a “pro” in mind.

Physical fitness (to consider yourself a “professional athlete” i don’t think is a monumental ask), maturity, leadership, on-the-gas effort at all times (again, should be a requirement to be a pro athlete)

A lot of you who like to treat these guys like hockey cards, flipping them over to see the stats, don’t like these intangibles. The thing is, it’s painfully obvious when a guy doesn’t have these qualities. As a player, my degree of comfort in any given moment differed based on who had the puck or who was on the ice - if I felt they had physical ability to do what they were trying to do, or the IQ to make an appropriate decision - that was always more valuable than their ability to dangle their way out of their own bad decision. Some guys are willing to play a team game and some aren’t interested. If I’m trying to build/coach a team it’s usually obvious who is willing to buy in and who isn’t.
- anti-lame

I get all of this. And of course pro athletes need to put in consistent and hard effort. The Florida Panthers work their ass off, and they won a cup because of it. But in the end, they won that cup because they have talent. All top teams work hard. Teams that don't have talent, like the Flyers, need to work even harder just to keep up, and just like any engine or body, The longer you work something to its limit, the faster it is going to break down, especially using substandard parts. Players will buy in to any coach or system if they see the path to success. Players aren't stupid, they know who in the room has the talent, they know who is working hard, giving an honest effort. They also see when things aren't working, they see when coaches are scapegoating players. Having head games played on them for no other reason than to play head games. Its all so much more sophisticated now from the training to the advanced stats to the psychology, One only has to watch a game from the 70's to see how different todays game is, and Torts is still using proverbial leeches.

Just my opinion.

did you play at rizzo rink?
- hello it's me 2050

Didn’t you frequent Hollydell?

I knew someone who was there all the time,
loved the jerky boys.

Didn’t you frequent Hollydell?

I knew someone who was there all the time,
loved the jerky boys.
- anti-lame

I worked on racecars...for eighteen years!