Well depends on Savoie, kid could explode with some of that talent he will be playing with. 2 different styles of players. See how it goes and if McLeod helps us will be the telling tale. Until we hit the ice and see what happens, we overpaid.
- Buff36

So Savoie didn’t have a spot in this lineup, but he’s going to displace people in the top 6 in Edmonton?

So Savoie didn’t have a spot in this lineup, but he’s going to displace people in the top 6 in Edmonton?
- ImThatGuy

When was he given a fair shot at a top 6 ? And who is to say he won't in Edmonton

You and I are normally on the same page, most times.

IDK here... Their is evidence that McLeod is a decent player and what the team needed at 3C.
Further, this board was clamoring for Adams to trade Prospects for NHL players at position of needs.
We don't know what Savoie will turn out to be, so it is hard to say they over paid.. on paper, maybe. But to your point, Savoie hasn't seen NHL game time of even low significance to make a proper assessment.

I think you are spot on in your determination that we need to wait.

I don't agree that it is a slam dunk they overpaid, though. I loved Savoie and was excited to see him compete this preseason, but thought he would likely be a AHL player this season.
- IonSabres

That's fine, like I said I will wait. But how does a player go from He's not available in trades to being available for a 3C. When he could have been used to acquire pieces before.

Savoie discourse

You and I are normally on the same page, most times.

IDK here... Their is evidence that McLeod is a decent player and what the team needed at 3C.
Further, this board was clamoring for Adams to trade Prospects for NHL players at position of needs.
We don't know what Savoie will turn out to be, so it is hard to say they over paid.. on paper, maybe. But to your point, Savoie hasn't seen NHL game time of even low significance to make a proper assessment.

I think you are spot on in your determination that we need to wait.

I don't agree that it is a slam dunk they overpaid, though. I loved Savoie and was excited to see him compete this preseason, but thought he would likely be a AHL player this season.
- IonSabres

I think the deal everyone wanted was packaging futures for a top half of a lineup player.

In trade day value, they massively overpaid. Obviously don't know how it will work out long term. Or, like we discussed yesterday, if McLeod is even more than a stopgap solution.

In the bigger picture, after drafting all these 1st round F's, needing to trade for a 3C is an indictment on their scouting.

Savoie sucks cause he's not a Sabre anymore.

McLeod is good cause he's a Sabre now.

NUFD

Let's be fair here.

He did play in worlds. He had 5 points in 6 AHL games last year. His 4 minutes had nothing to do with his play.

All signs point to him being at least a decent middle 6.
- Lunaion

Maybe he has shown he is also injury prone in a big boys game.

So far, "signs point to at least an injury prone, decent middle 6" in the NHL.

And I love the kid and wish him well. He has a great opportunity in front of him.

Ah Yes, Edmonton hires Hockey Jim Jordan to run their franchise. Congrats to covering up for r*pe, Stan.

Let's be fair here.

He did play in worlds. He had 5 points in 6 AHL games last year. His 4 minutes had nothing to do with his play.

All signs point to him being at least a decent middle 6.
- Lunaion

He got benched in roch during the playoff run.

He didn’t even get a tryout his 1st year for world juniors. Which is very odd.

His 2nd year. He had 1 point in 4 games

His development has been a roller coaster and not consistent.

That's fine, like I said I will wait. But how does a player go from He's not available in trades to being available for a 3C. When he could have been used to acquire pieces before.
- Buff36

This is just a basket of hypotheticals and speculation.

The overlying point here should be, why did Savoie's value decrease to the point of being worth a high quality RFA bottom 6 C.

This is just a basket of hypotheticals and speculation.

The overlying point here should be, why did Savoie's value decrease to the point of being worth a high quality RFA bottom 6 C.
- TheSabresTaco

Why did team Canada pass on him multiple times?

No one can seem to answer that. Unless he declined because of injuries?

That's fine, like I said I will wait. But how does a player go from He's not available in trades to being available for a 3C. When he could have been used to acquire pieces before.
- Buff36

Taking words from anyone here as gospel is really something. Gerbe hits and misses. So do others. None of them really know what the heck is going on .

That's fine, like I said I will wait. But how does a player go from He's not available in trades to being available for a 3C. When he could have been used to acquire pieces before.
- Buff36

Well, like the Secret Service and FBI leadership say.
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That is a question better directed to other investigations.

Seriously, something changed and we don't know what. Perhaps Adams finally got the message from the Pigeon Courier... Make the playoffs or else.

I'm ok with the trade, I think they did reasonably well. futures for current needs

Why did team Canada pass on him multiple times?

No one can seem to answer that. Unless he declined because of injuries?
- ImThatGuy

A top 10 pick not invited is definitely rare. Even for a Canadian.

This is just a basket of hypotheticals and speculation.

The overlying point here should be, why did Savoie's value decrease to the point of being worth a high quality RFA bottom 6 C.
- TheSabresTaco

Just like it's a basket of hypotheticals that McLeod will be more than a Tweener 3C. Cause 1 story by Pronman came out that Savoie's value had dropped.

Well, like the Secret Service and FBI leadership say.
.
That is a question better directed to other investigations.

Seriously, something changed and we don't know what. Perhaps Adams finally got the message from the Pigeon Courier... Make the playoffs or else.

I'm ok with the trade, I think they did reasonably well. futures for current needs
- IonSabres

I am hopeful, see what happens. Do think Benson McLeod Kulich could make for a interesting 3rd line.

Taking words from anyone here as gospel is really something. Gerbe hits and misses. So do others. None of them really know what the heck is going on .
- DirtyDan

Maybe he has shown he is also injury prone in a big boys game.

So far, "signs point to at least an injury prone, decent middle 6" in the NHL.

And I love the kid and wish him well. He has a great opportunity in front of him.
- IonSabres

Mcdavid took a middle of the lineup player and turned him into a 50+ goal scorer and a ppg player in the playoffs.

Savoie could be a stud there, wont mean he would of done it here. His value was less then Anton Whalberg's at the time of the trade. A second round pick.

Just like it's a basket of hypotheticals that McLeod will be more than a Tweener 3C. Cause 1 story by Pronman came out that Savoie's value had dropped.
- Buff36

Savoie has 4 minutes of NHL time as an undersized projectable middle 6 winger.

Mcleod has a lot of NHL tape. That's the difference.

This board wanted a real player for a prospect. They got it and now people are upset.

This is just a basket of hypotheticals and speculation.

The overlying point here should be, why did Savoie's value decrease to the point of being worth a high quality RFA bottom 6 C.
- TheSabresTaco

The biggest factor has to be terrible timing. Very hard for a D+2 kid in the CHL to increase his value + an ill-timed injury at worlds, which was his chance to shine against better competition.

Just like it's a basket of hypotheticals that McLeod will be more than a Tweener 3C. Cause 1 story by Pronman came out that Savoie's value had dropped.
- Buff36

Even setting aside the piece about polling executives about savoie's value, we have the historical facts without the 'he's our guy' bias shading our glasses. you look at his history since draft night and you can clearly see why it's certainly possible his league wide value decreased.

I think the deal everyone wanted was packaging futures for a top half of a lineup player.

In draft day value, they massively overpaid. Obviously don't know how it will work out long term. Or, like we discussed yesterday, if McLeod is even more than a stopgap solution.

In the bigger picture, after drafting all these 1st round F's, needing to trade for a 3C is an indictment on their scouting.
- Lunaion

Well, they have a Propsect or 2 for 3C who are not ready yet... The timeline is typical of prospects except at the very top of the draft, right? Ostlund, Wahlberg, Helenius.

If Savoie is now projected as a decent middle six, and likely a winger, how grossly did they "overpay" in acquiring a decent 3C with some upside?

This is closer to much ado about nothing

Savoie has 4 minutes of NHL time as an undersized projectable middle 6 winger.

Mcleod has a lot of NHL tape. That's the difference.

This board wanted a prospect for a real player. They got it and now people are upset.
- TheSabresTaco

Where did I say I was upset, think I have said multiple times hopeful. I am weary because it shouldn't have taken a top 10 pick, who was a Top 3 on some lists to get a 3C. McLeod has done nothing here yet, just like Savoie. McLeod could work or be nothing. I am hopeful he works and helps us reach our goals Team wise. Doesn't mean I still don’t think the Sabres Overpaid.

Where did I say I was upset, think I have said multiple times hopeful. I am weary because it shouldn't have taken a top 10 pick, who was a Top 3 on some lists to get a 3C. McLeod has done nothing here yet, just like Savoie. McLeod could work or be nothing. I am hopeful he works and helps us reach our goals Team wise. Doesn't mean I still don’t think the Sabres Overpaid.
- Buff36

There are people that were or are upset. Or any spectrum of negative feeling.

Where did I say I was upset, think I have said multiple times hopeful. I am weary because it shouldn't have taken a top 10 pick, who was a Top 3 on some lists to get a 3C. McLeod has done nothing here yet, just like Savoie. McLeod could work or be nothing. I am hopeful he works and helps us reach our goals Team wise. Doesn't mean I still don’t think the Sabres Overpaid.
- Buff36

The Sabres only overpaid if Savoie reaches his draft ceiling.

Like Lunaion said, history shows he's lagging.

It is absolutely possible he turns into a real player. If he doesn't hit his ceiling, if he's a 55 point winger, did we overpay?