Well well well...
- blacksheep1

I take it back. It was extremely rude of me

I take it back. It was extremely rude of me
- picklerick

Oh I see it as a badge of honor.

Connor McDavid brought Edmonton to a cup and Stuart Skinner was along for the ride. Nathan MacKinnon and Cale Makar won Colorado a cup, not Darcy Kuemper. Last I checked we don't have Connor McDavid or Nathan MacKinnon. I also don't see them as being available.

Would I rather have Shesty or Guentzal, the answer is pretty easily Shesty.

You also realize that Tom is agreeing with you here which should say something
- SkjeiStadium

Be less closed minded. tear it down, rebuild it, hope for the best. Rule 76: No excuses, play like a champion.

Be less closed minded. tear it down, rebuild it, hope for the best. Rule 76: No excuses, play like a champion.
- blacksheep1

I see your time away didn't make you any less miserable. Sad

I see your time away didn't make you any less miserable. Sad
- SkjeiStadium

Not miserable at all. Before I was an island of 1 with saying that what might be best for the Rangers is trade Shesterkin. Not because Shesterkin isn't great, because he is. But because the Rangers do not help him enough.

Now the island has expanded, the fire rises, we see the take gain traction.

Not miserable at all. Before I was an island of 1 with saying that what might be best for the Rangers is trade Shesterkin. Not because Shesterkin isn't great, because he is. But because the Rangers do not help him enough.

Now the island has expanded, the fire rises, we see the take gain traction.
- blacksheep1

Is it even possible for an island to be more than one?

Is it even possible for an island to be more than one?
- eichiefs9

Either way, the tribe has spoken.

Connor McDavid brought Edmonton to a cup and Stuart Skinner was along for the ride. Nathan MacKinnon and Cale Makar won Colorado a cup, not Darcy Kuemper. Last I checked we don't have Connor McDavid or Nathan MacKinnon. I also don't see them as being available.

Would I rather have Shesty or Guentzal, the answer is pretty easily Shesty.

You also realize that Tom is agreeing with you here which should say something
- SkjeiStadium

And we have Panarin and Fox. If the goalie is the only thing keeping us as cup contenders, we have bigger problems.

And we have Panarin and Fox. If the goalie is the only thing keeping us as cup contenders, we have bigger problems.
- nyrangers9479

Why? Teams win when their best players play like their best players. Shesty is our best player. If McDavid was taken off the Oilers they would no longer be contenders. Do they have bigger problems? If MacKinnon/Makar were taken off the avalanche they would no longer be contenders. Problem?

There is this notion that your goalie can't be your best player and I don't agree with that. You need your best players to play at the top of their game to win. Simple as that. Igor has held up his end of that bargain. You can argue differently about our other top guys, but the hesitation to pay Igor when he's been the one guy that has come up big when it matters time and time again is crazy to me. We all want him to take a little less but this idea that he needs to sign for some deep bargain or we should trade him I don't agree with

Is it even possible for an island to be more than one?
- eichiefs9

It’s an archipelago of poop nuggets

Why? Teams win when their best players play like their best players. Shesty is our best player. If McDavid was taken off the Oilers they would no longer be contenders. Do they have bigger problems? If MacKinnon/Makar were taken off the avalanche they would no longer be contenders. Problem?

There is this notion that your goalie can't be your best player and I don't agree with that. You need your best players to play at the top of their game to win. Simple as that. Igor has held up his end of that bargain. You can argue differently about our other top guys, but the hesitation to pay Igor when he's been the one guy that has come up big when it matters time and time again is crazy to me. We all want him to take a little less but this idea that he needs to sign for some deep bargain or we should trade him I don't agree with
- SkjeiStadium

When did I say ur goalie can’t be ur best player? I said he can’t be the highest paid and take up 13-14% of your cap. Much different than being ur best player. $10 million? Ok. 12.9 like he’s asking or even 11.5 to “meet in the middle?” No thanks

When did I say ur goalie can’t be ur best player? I said he can’t be the highest paid and take up 13-14% of your cap. Much different than being ur best player. $10 million? Ok. 12.9 like he’s asking or even 11.5 to “meet in the middle?” No thanks
- nyrangers9479

When did I say ur goalie can’t be ur best player? I said he can’t be the highest paid and take up 13-14% of your cap. Much different than being ur best player. $10 million? Ok. 12.9 like he’s asking or even 11.5 to “meet in the middle?” No thanks
- nyrangers9479

Florida just won with the highest paid goalie in the league (not counting Price who hasn't played in years)

I get that the ideal way to build a team is with bargain contracts all over, but the reality is that in NYC where taxes and CoL are high, we're not gonna get too many bargain deals.

To play the part of pessimist, if the rangers trade Igor and bring in an "average" goalie that makes $4-5M, do you believe that the rangers will be able to spend that savings to suddenly become a dominant 5v5 team that can win in front of an average goalie?

I personally don't, so I'll take my chances with the best goalie in the league.

Florida just won with the highest paid goalie in the league (not counting Price who hasn't played in years)

I get that the ideal way to build a team is with bargain contracts all over, but the reality is that in NYC where taxes and CoL are high, we're not gonna get too many bargain deals.

To play the part of pessimist, if the rangers trade Igor and bring in an "average" goalie that makes $4-5M, do you believe that the rangers will be able to spend that savings to suddenly become a dominant 5v5 team that can win in front of an average goalie?

I personally don't, so I'll take my chances with the best goalie in the league.
- SkjeiStadium

We're so close to being on the same side here.

We're so close to being on the same side here.
- blacksheep1

Not on the same side. You're a miserable loser

Not on the same side. You're a miserable loser
- SkjeiStadium

Florida just won with the highest paid goalie in the league (not counting Price who hasn't played in years)

I get that the ideal way to build a team is with bargain contracts all over, but the reality is that in NYC where taxes and CoL are high, we're not gonna get too many bargain deals.

To play the part of pessimist, if the rangers trade Igor and bring in an "average" goalie that makes $4-5M, do you believe that the rangers will be able to spend that savings to suddenly become a dominant 5v5 team that can win in front of an average goalie?

I personally don't, so I'll take my chances with the best goalie in the league.
- SkjeiStadium

I just want to be perfectly clear here. I’ve said NUMEROUS times in the past Shesty is one of my favorite Rangers just like Hank was. Without them, we’re not where we are/have been. I don’t WANT to trade Shesty bc I don’t like him or don’t think he’s good, he’s elite and I like him a lot.

With that being said, I think if you can get a goalie on a relatively good deal (Askorov at 925k this year then he’s a RFA, maybe 2-3 mill for a few more years?) and add a player LIKE Guentzel (he’s obv in TB now, but a top tier player is my point), I think that’s the correct decision for the organization going forward.

We get younger, get a top goalie prospect that we can hopefully have for the next 8-12 years, and don’t have 14% of our cap tied up in a goalie.

I’ll leave it at that, not much more I can say. That’s my opinion on the matter and just wanted to clear up, incase anyone thought differently, it’s not the player I want to get rid of, it’s the potential contract. And I’ve always said, “this is only if the 11.5-12.9 numbers are true.”

I just want to be perfectly clear here. I’ve said NUMEROUS times in the past Shesty is one of my favorite Rangers just like Hank was. Without them, we’re not where we are/have been. I don’t WANT to trade Shesty bc I don’t like him or don’t think he’s good, he’s elite and I like him a lot.

With that being said, I think if you can get a goalie on a relatively good deal (Askorov at 925k this year then he’s a RFA, maybe 2-3 mill for a few more years?) and add a player LIKE Guentzel (he’s obv in TB now, but a top tier player is my point), I think that’s the correct decision for the organization going forward.

We get younger, get a top goalie prospect that we can hopefully have for the next 8-12 years, and don’t have 14% of our cap tied up in a goalie.

I’ll leave it at that, not much more I can say. That’s my opinion on the matter and just wanted to clear up, incase anyone thought differently, it’s not the player I want to get rid of, it’s the potential contract. And I’ve always said, “this is only if the 11.5-12.9 numbers are true.”
- nyrangers9479

i'm one of those that are scared of having a cap hit that high for a goalie, but what we haven't really discussed is any type of clauses that are tied to it. can't dump that kind of money into him and have full NMCs and crap like we do with every damn player - that's what truly gets me nervous

I just want to be perfectly clear here. I’ve said NUMEROUS times in the past Shesty is one of my favorite Rangers just like Hank was. Without them, we’re not where we are/have been. I don’t WANT to trade Shesty bc I don’t like him or don’t think he’s good, he’s elite and I like him a lot.

With that being said, I think if you can get a goalie on a relatively good deal (Askorov at 925k this year then he’s a RFA, maybe 2-3 mill for a few more years?) and add a player LIKE Guentzel (he’s obv in TB now, but a top tier player is my point), I think that’s the correct decision for the organization going forward.

We get younger, get a top goalie prospect that we can hopefully have for the next 8-12 years, and don’t have 14% of our cap tied up in a goalie.

I’ll leave it at that, not much more I can say. That’s my opinion on the matter and just wanted to clear up, incase anyone thought differently, it’s not the player I want to get rid of, it’s the potential contract. And I’ve always said, “this is only if the 11.5-12.9 numbers are true.”
- nyrangers9479

I get it. You and I agree to an extent, but we can have a civil conversation about it so we're all good

I think your plan relies on too many things going right which is why I'm hesitant. If you could guarantee the following would play out, sign me up:
1. We trade Igor and get a legitimate return for him (if it's clear the rangers don't want to pay him and he's an FA after next season, why would teams give up meaningful assets?)
2. We can then use that return to trade for a goalie like Askarov
3. Askarov is a top goalie in the league that we can rely on
4. Askarov doesn't ask for 14% of the cap when his time is due
5. With the cap savings going from Igor to Askarov, the rangers are able to bring in a top tier talent that isn't an overpaid FA contract with NMC attached that will make us a better 5v5 team

That's a lot of pieces to fall in line and work out perfectly to make us a better team. In my eyes the more likely outcome would be we get a less than stellar return for Igor, Askarov or whoever the other solution is ends up being serviceable but not great and whatever FA(s) we bring in ends up getting one of the contracts we saw handed out this summer that most agreed were pretty brutal

Before anything that extreme happens, we need to see where the teams head is at currently with the handling of players by management.

Interesting arguments here about trading Shesty.

I do believe, in my non-gm, uneducated opinion, that people are arguing about Shesty's cap hit on two levels. One, in comparison to other goalies historically. Two, which i think is missing in the conversation overtly, is that we are also concerned about having 11.5 million for Panarin, questioning Zib being a playoff warrior and if the team can complete the cup run with the current players.
The Rangers have 36.5 million invested in 4 players and the best players, Laf And Trochek, combine for 8 million. Not a whole lot of voting confidence for your top players to lead you to the promise land.
I honestly think the 2nd point plays into the reticence of the signing Shesty more than just the $$.

A team needs a plan and to pick the players to build around. Is that Shesty and Laf with the next generation. Or is it Panarin, Zib and the veterans. The upper brass needs to choose a direction. Neither is necessarily wrong, its just that you HAVE to choose to be able to build the team you think that will win the cup. Playing the "in between" game will result in incomplete playoffs teams.

I say to Drury, go right or go left, I dont give a poop, but just make a decision and commit to it.

Interesting arguments here about trading Shesty.

I do believe, in my non-gm, uneducated opinion, that people are arguing about Shesty's cap hit on two levels. One, in comparison to other goalies historically. Two, which i think is missing in the conversation overtly, is that we are also concerned about having 11.5 million for Panarin, questioning Zib being a playoff warrior and if the team can complete the cup run with the current players.
I honestly think the 2nd point plays into the reticence of the signing Shesty more than just the $$.

A team needs a plan and to pick the players to build around. Is that Shesty and Laf with the next generation. Or is it Panarin, Zib and the veterans. The upper brass needs to choose a direction. Neither is necessarily wrong, its just that you HAVE to choose to be able to build the team you think that will win the cup. Playing the "in between" game will result in incomplete playoffs teams.

I say to Drury, go right or go left, I dont give a poop, but just make a decision and commit to it.
- NYRCeph

The problem is they cant get rid of Zib. Regardless of their decision of direction, he will be a mainstay.

The problem is they cant get rid of Zib. Regardless of their decision of direction, he will be a mainstay.
- aecliptic

Oh I get it, they made it difficult on themselves. I do remind myself that a lot of this current team is still Gorton.
I am not advocating so much for removing players as I am for a definitive direction that will push a team identity.
Maybe that's what Drury is doing with his drafting, however, the process is slow because he has to fix the Trouba and others contract messes.

Working in new blog, and no, it’s not on Igor. That will come down the road

Not on the same side. You're a miserable loser
- SkjeiStadium

Eh, idk...

Sounds like you're hinting at the notion that you know deep down that Rangers won't improve 5 on 5, with or without Igor. So what is the point of keeping him if that is the case?


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