Before anything that extreme happens, we need to see where the teams head is at currently with the handling of players by management.
- aecliptic

Id think it will make the group tighter but wont change the way they play in the playoffs.

Eh, idk...

Sounds like you're hinting at the notion that you know deep down that Rangers won't improve 5 on 5, with or without Igor. So what is the point of keeping him if that is the case?


SOUNDS SIMILAR TO ME BROTHER!
- blacksheep1

I'm not hinting at anything. I said that I don't believe downgrading at the goalie position and spending that money on a forward automatically makes us a better team. I also think we missed any window because there are no FAs available now that would move the needle and nobody is going to trade for Igor next summer and give up meaningful assets when he is a UFA.

We keep Igor because we've gone to the ECF in 2 of 3 years with this team and I'd rather have another run like that and take our chances on going further than trading Igor and ending up with the 15th pick in the draft.

You just keep commenting on people's posts hoping that they agree with you when nobody here does because you're a sad pathetic loser.

Interesting arguments here about trading Shesty.

I do believe, in my non-gm, uneducated opinion, that people are arguing about Shesty's cap hit on two levels. One, in comparison to other goalies historically. Two, which i think is missing in the conversation overtly, is that we are also concerned about having 11.5 million for Panarin, questioning Zib being a playoff warrior and if the team can complete the cup run with the current players.
The Rangers have 36.5 million invested in 4 players and the best players, Laf And Trochek, combine for 8 million. Not a whole lot of voting confidence for your top players to lead you to the promise land.
I honestly think the 2nd point plays into the reticence of the signing Shesty more than just the $$.

A team needs a plan and to pick the players to build around. Is that Shesty and Laf with the next generation. Or is it Panarin, Zib and the veterans. The upper brass needs to choose a direction. Neither is necessarily wrong, its just that you HAVE to choose to be able to build the team you think that will win the cup. Playing the "in between" game will result in incomplete playoffs teams.

I say to Drury, go right or go left, I dont give a poop, but just make a decision and commit to it.
- NYRCeph

Interesting take, I think this is an "in between team". They just dont look like they can get it done. Yes I know they were close, but if not for out standing goal tending, would they be that close?

When you talk about building remember Mika is here for 6 more years, impossible to get rid of him unless he asks out and Panarin has 2 more years left and they will resign him so I dont think this team will rebuild again at least for another 6 years so this is the "Built" team and they will patch work things until then.

I'm not hinting at anything. I said that I don't believe downgrading at the goalie position and spending that money on a forward automatically makes us a better team. I also think we missed any window because there are no FAs available now that would move the needle and nobody is going to trade for Igor next summer and give up meaningful assets when he is a UFA.

We keep Igor because we've gone to the ECF in 2 of 3 years with this team and I'd rather have another run like that and take our chances on going further than trading Igor and ending up with the 15th pick in the draft.

You just keep commenting on people's posts hoping that they agree with you when nobody here does because you're a sad pathetic loser.
- SkjeiStadium

Exactly, trading Igor now is a moot point, there isnt a forward out there thats a UFA that will make this team that much better without Igor.

Resigning Igor is another question, next season Leon Draisaitl, Mikko Rantanen, Sid, Marner and Carter Verhaeghe are probably the top free agents next year.

Id bet they just resign Igor and once again, kick the can down the road.

Exactly, trading Igor now is a moot point, there isnt a forward out there thats a UFA that will make this team that much better without Igor.

Resigning Igor is another question, next season Leon Draisaitl, Mikko Rantanen, Sid, Marner and Carter Verhaeghe are probably the top free agents next year.

Id bet they just resign Igor and once again, kick the can down the road.
- Brukie

Igor for Draisaitl

Do you guys who want to dump Shesterkin really think they’d get most value for him right now?

Or are you afraid to still have him this season because you know they’ll have a great regular season again if he’s still here?

Exactly, trading Igor now is a moot point, there isnt a forward out there thats a UFA that will make this team that much better without Igor.

Resigning Igor is another question, next season Leon Draisaitl, Mikko Rantanen, Sid, Marner and Carter Verhaeghe are probably the top free agents next year.

Id bet they just resign Igor and once again, kick the can down the road.
- Brukie

Exactly Brukie, that's been my point all along. We are better with Igor, even at a high price, than any of the current alternatives.

If you said we could not sign Igor and potentially replace him with Leon or Rantanen then I'd be more likely to consider it, but that is unlikely.

I'm not hinting at anything. I said that I don't believe downgrading at the goalie position and spending that money on a forward automatically makes us a better team. I also think we missed any window because there are no FAs available now that would move the needle and nobody is going to trade for Igor next summer and give up meaningful assets when he is a UFA.

We keep Igor because we've gone to the ECF in 2 of 3 years with this team and I'd rather have another run like that and take our chances on going further than trading Igor and ending up with the 15th pick in the draft.

You just keep commenting on people's posts hoping that they agree with you when nobody here does because you're a sad pathetic loser.
- SkjeiStadium

Interesting take, I think this is an "in between team". They just dont look like they can get it done. Yes I know they were close, but if not for out standing goal tending, would they be that close?

When you talk about building remember Mika is here for 6 more years, impossible to get rid of him unless he asks out and Panarin has 2 more years left and they will resign him so I dont think this team will rebuild again at least for another 6 years so this is the "Built" team and they will patch work things until then.
- Brukie

Both are ultimately correct. If we look back at the 2 ECF runs we had, we were up 2-0 on Tampa, and 2-1 on Florida. Both times 2 games away. This team isnt going to change much moving forward.

Also, I think people are getting in over their head with the Shesty numbers. While he and his agent want 12.9m, that doesnt necessarily mean thats what the AAV will be on his contract. They could give him 12.9m in salary for the first 3-4 years of the deal, for example, and then scale down the remaining 4 years when he starts getting into his mid 30's. Maybe we can get the AAV under 11m.

Yea after year of poor asset management has affected us badly. Year after year whatever crumbs the team can muster up for a trade they use. Creating this dog chasing his own tail situation. The year we got Copp and Vatrano was probably our best use of assets, however our inability to hold onto anyone hurt us 2-3 years into the future. So here we are with no assets as a result, trading 4th rounders for Jack Roslovic to try to patch our problems.

Do you guys who want to dump Shesterkin really think they’d get most value for him right now?

Or are you afraid to still have him this season because you know they’ll have a great regular season again if he’s still here?
- jimbro83

What??

Its 5 o'clock somewhere.

What??

Its 5 o'clock somewhere.
- Brukie

Nice retort lol

Both are ultimately correct. If we look back at the 2 ECF runs we had, we were up 2-0 on Tampa, and 2-1 on Florida. Both times 2 games away. This team isnt going to change much moving forward.

Also, I think people are getting in over their head with the Shesty numbers. While he and his agent want 12.9m, that doesnt necessarily mean thats what the AAV will be on his contract. They could give him 12.9m in salary for the first 3-4 years of the deal, for example, and then scale down the remaining 4 years when he starts getting into his mid 30's. Maybe we can get the AAV under 11m.

Yea after year of poor asset management has affected us badly. Year after year whatever crumbs the team can muster up for a trade they use. Creating this dog chasing his own tail situation. The year we got Copp and Vatrano was probably our best use of assets, however our inability to hold onto anyone hurt us 2-3 years into the future. So here we are with no assets as a result, trading 4th rounders for Jack Roslovic to try to patch our problems.
- aecliptic

The Rangers will definitely use the Saros and Hellebuyck contracts as a comparison. I think these are 2 very comparable goalie signings, if using them could Igor possibly sign for 9-10? When thinking about it and comparing the 3, I think it might be.

Nice retort lol
- jimbro83

Just spit balling scenarios and there really is no way to trade Igor now unless it is for Draisaitl. Next off season the only way I wouldnt resign him is if we were able to grab Draisaitl.

Just spit balling scenarios and there really is no way to trade Igor now unless it is for Draisaitl. Next off season the only way I wouldnt resign him is if we were able to grab Draisaitl.
- Brukie

This is the tough part, right? Because there is no guarantee we can sign Leon. If we let Igor walk for nothing, and then miss on Leon....could you imagine the shit storm that would ensue.

So many other things would have to line up for the Rangers before they could trade Igor. Like you said, there really isn't much of a way to go about it.

Btw, I am in favor of keeping the #1 goalie in the world and building around him.

This is the tough part, right? Because there is no guarantee we can sign Leon. If we let Igor walk for nothing, and then miss on Leon....could you imagine the shit storm that would ensue.

So many other things would have to line up for the Rangers before they could trade Igor. Like you said, there really isn't much of a way to go about it.

Btw, I am in favor of keeping the #1 goalie in the world and building around him.
- NYR11

Oh no, if we let Igor walk, it would have to be a guarantee that Leon signs.

No other way, back door deal for sure.

This is the tough part, right? Because there is no guarantee we can sign Leon. If we let Igor walk for nothing, and then miss on Leon....could you imagine the shit storm that would ensue.

So many other things would have to line up for the Rangers before they could trade Igor. Like you said, there really isn't much of a way to go about it.

Btw, I am in favor of keeping the #1 goalie in the world and building around him.
- NYR11

That's been my point all along. With all of these hypotheticals thrown around of "let's get rid of Igor and bring in X, Y and Z to make us a more well rounded team" but there's no guarantee of getting X, Y and Z in the first place, nor is there any guarantee that they would work out.

I think Edmonton would turn down Igor for Leon in a 1-for-1 trade FWIW

I'm not hinting at anything. I said that I don't believe downgrading at the goalie position and spending that money on a forward automatically makes us a better team. I also think we missed any window because there are no FAs available now that would move the needle and nobody is going to trade for Igor next summer and give up meaningful assets when he is a UFA.

We keep Igor because we've gone to the ECF in 2 of 3 years with this team and I'd rather have another run like that and take our chances on going further than trading Igor and ending up with the 15th pick in the draft.

You just keep commenting on people's posts hoping that they agree with you when nobody here does because you're a sad pathetic loser.
- SkjeiStadium

That low huh, I'd be hoping for something in the top 10.

Oh no, if we let Igor walk, it would have to be a guarantee that Leon signs.

No other way, back door deal for sure.
- Brukie

And, even if we pull that off, there's no guarantee we don't become Edmonton East. Solid upfront and not good enough goaltending.

I love how people are complaining about Cap frustrations like it's 100% due to mismanaging and we are the only team to go through it. Every single CONTENDING team walks a tightrope through team-building philosophies and has to balance different weaknesses against spending limits.
CBA arguments have produced a league that does not allow any teams to live on easy street.

That's been my point all along. With all of these hypotheticals thrown around of "let's get rid of Igor and bring in X, Y and Z to make us a more well rounded team" but there's no guarantee of getting X, Y and Z in the first place, nor is there any guarantee that they would work out.

I think Edmonton would turn down Igor for Leon in a 1-for-1 trade FWIW
- SkjeiStadium

Its just the doldrums of summer, nothing else going on and besides, with all the NMC's, there isnt anyone else to hypothetically trade.

I dont know, if Leon tells the Oilers he isnt resigning, they might. Skinner played well but Igor is in another class. With Igor, the Oilers win the Cup.

Yes I know why trade Igor if he can help us win the Cup, its we dont have the Playoff performers to do it, Leon might be that guy to do it.

Its just the doldrums of summer, nothing else going on and besides, with all the NMC's, there isnt anyone else to hypothetically trade.

I dont know, if Leon tells the Oilers he isnt resigning, they might. Skinner played well but Igor is in another class. With Igor, the Oilers win the Cup.

Yes I know why trade Igor if he can help us win the Cup, its we dont have the Playoff performers to do it, Leon might be that guy to do it.
- Brukie

Yea I think the most likely outcome is we run it back this year for the most part, trade trouba next offseason to be able to sign Igor & Laf and hopefully get an injection of young talent from Perrault, Othmann, etc.

Hopefully the cap continues to rise and gives us more flexibility to improve around this core that likely isn't going anywhere

Yea I think the most likely outcome is we run it back this year for the most part, trade trouba next offseason to be able to sign Igor & Laf and hopefully get an injection of young talent from Perrault, Othmann, etc.

Hopefully the cap continues to rise and gives us more flexibility to improve around this core that likely isn't going anywhere
- SkjeiStadium

Agreed, It will be a run back with a few new faces but if Mika and Panarin just figure out how to play in the Playoffs, we'd win the Cup.

Do you guys who want to dump Shesterkin really think they’d get most value for him right now?

Or are you afraid to still have him this season because you know they’ll have a great regular season again if he’s still here?
- jimbro83

I don’t think his value will change much whether it was at the draft, now, or at the deadline. His 12.9 ask has me concerned about not being able to put a good enough team infront of him to win. This is all hypothetical obviously, but if those are the actual numbers he wants, he should be moved. If we wake up tomorrow and he signed an 8 year, $10 mil a year contract, I’d be ecstatic. Again, this isn’t about the player, it’s about the contract. And like someone mentioned earlier or last night, you know that contract is going to have a full NMC.

I don’t think his value will change much whether it was at the draft, now, or at the deadline. His 12.9 ask has me concerned about not being able to put a good enough team infront of him to win. This is all hypothetical obviously, but if those are the actual numbers he wants, he should be moved. If we wake up tomorrow and he signed an 8 year, $10 mil a year contract, I’d be ecstatic. Again, this isn’t about the player, it’s about the contract. And like someone mentioned earlier or last night, you know that contract is going to have a full NMC.
- nyrangers9479

I think right now is the lowest Shesterkin’s trade value is. It will be sky high at trade deadline though.

I think right now is the lowest Shesterkin’s trade value is. It will be sky high at trade deadline though.
- jimbro83

How can his trade value be lower than at the draft? or at the deadline? Now you have full year of contractual control at less than a 7 million dollar cap hit. Trade him right now. Don't wait.

How can his trade value be lower than at the draft? or at the deadline? Now you have full year of contractual control at less than a 7 million dollar cap hit. Trade him right now. Don't wait.
- blacksheep1

You should try watching bowling instead.

I don’t think his value will change much whether it was at the draft, now, or at the deadline. His 12.9 ask has me concerned about not being able to put a good enough team infront of him to win. This is all hypothetical obviously, but if those are the actual numbers he wants, he should be moved. If we wake up tomorrow and he signed an 8 year, $10 mil a year contract, I’d be ecstatic. Again, this isn’t about the player, it’s about the contract. And like someone mentioned earlier or last night, you know that contract is going to have a full NMC.
- nyrangers9479

So you would love Igor at 10 mill AAV but 11.5 is way to much? That 1.5 really makes that big of a deal to you when the cap is rising every year?