How can his trade value be lower than at the draft? or at the deadline? Now you have full year of contractual control at less than a 7 million dollar cap hit. Trade him right now. Don't wait.
- blacksheep1

Because every teams 2024-25 goaltending situation is essentially settled.

At the deadline contenders who may be disappointed in their goaltending this coming season will pay a premium

Because every teams 2024-25 goaltending situation is essentially settled.

At the deadline contenders who may be disappointed in their goaltending will pay a premium
- jimbro83

Yep it’s why Trouba won’t get moved now. Most teams who had the cap space already used it. He’s here for another year

You should try watching bowling instead.
- Tonybere

So you agree that 5 months of asset is better than 12 months of an asset? That's... bold.

So you agree that 5 months of asset is better than 12 months of an asset? That's... bold.
- blacksheep1

No. I agree that you continue to try and paint multi-hued situations either black or white. I further agree that you are doing so just to be contrarian and I absolutely agree that it's gotten (frank)ing annoying.
This is real life, with complex rules to follow and fluid dynamics that mean there is no single right or wrong answer. To try and behave as if there is, seems juvenile. To do so specifically to elicit responses from others is infantile.

Yep it’s why Trouba won’t get moved now. Most teams who had the cap space already used it. He’s here for another year
- TPC

Seems that way. His wife's residency also ends next year, so that should help make things easier

So you would love Igor at 10 mill AAV but 11.5 is way to much? That 1.5 really makes that big of a deal to you when the cap is rising every year?
- TPC

Absolutely. Bc I think 10 is high for a goalie, but I think it’s fair for Igor. 10 is my upper limit, but anything above that, he needs to be traded.

Absolutely. Bc I think 10 is high for a goalie, but I think it’s fair for Igor. 10 is my upper limit, but anything above that, he needs to be traded.
- nyrangers9479

I don’t agree. Florida just won a Cup where including Spencer Knight they had 14.5 mil of their cap invested in goaltending.

The Cap will keep going up. There’s no reason to walk away from Igor if it takes 12 mil per to get him signed as long as they keep having a solid backup making 1.5 mil like Quick will make this coming season

I don’t agree. Florida just won a Cup where including Spencer Knight they had 14.5 mil of their cap invested in goaltending.

The Cap will keep going up. There’s no reason to walk away from Igor if it takes 12 mil per to get him signed as long as they keep having a solid backup making 1.5 mil like Quick will make this coming season
- jimbro83

Couldn't agree more

Absolutely. Bc I think 10 is high for a goalie, but I think it’s fair for Igor. 10 is my upper limit, but anything above that, he needs to be traded.
- nyrangers9479

Not the way I would have worded it, but I respect and agree with you.

Not the way I would have worded it, but I respect and agree with you.
- blacksheep1

You say stupid crap like “the Rangers should trade Shesterkin because they don’t deserve him”

Just go away and let the intelligent people discuss this

You say stupid crap like “the Rangers should trade Shesterkin because they don’t deserve him”

Just go away and let the intelligent people discuss this
- jimbro83

Absolutely. Bc I think 10 is high for a goalie, but I think it’s fair for Igor. 10 is my upper limit, but anything above that, he needs to be traded.
- nyrangers9479

I just don’t get how you would be excited at 10 million per but 1.5 million more for your best player is too much. Just doesn’t make sense to me

You say stupid crap like “the Rangers should trade Shesterkin because they don’t deserve him”

Just go away and let the intelligent people discuss this
- jimbro83

I mean wanting to trade Shesterkin is still wanting to trade Shesterkin at the end of the day, no?

When I said it was a 1 of 1 take. Now, a root is starting to take hold.

(Ps Shesterkin should get the almost 13 because he deserves it. But the Rangers can't build a championship roster around him at under 7 million dollars. How do they do that while doubling his salary, seems like tough scenario to picture.)

I just don’t get how you would be excited at 10 million per but 1.5 million more for your best player is too much. Just doesn’t make sense to me
- TPC

I guess saying I’d be ecstatic at 10 was the wrong word to use. I’d be happy/comfortable? At 10, but again, that’s high for a goalie IMO.

I guess saying I’d be ecstatic at 10 was the wrong word to use. I’d be happy/comfortable? At 10, but again, that’s high for a goalie IMO.
- nyrangers9479

I’m going to try my best to not come off too Richardish here. I feel like this conversation is endless and meaningless. Given that caveat, I think talking about it in terms of dollars instead of % of cap is silly.

I’m going to try my best to not come off too Richardish here. I feel like this conversation is endless and meaningless. Given that caveat, I think talking about it in terms of dollars instead of % of cap is silly.
- picklerick

What a Richard

What a Richard
- eichiefs9

i tried

I’m going to try my best to not come off too Richardish here. I feel like this conversation is endless and meaningless. Given that caveat, I think talking about it in terms of dollars instead of % of cap is silly.
- picklerick

What is your max %? I am presuming 11% will be okay, but 14 is too much. The question is how high of a percentage of the cap is too much.

I’m going to try my best to not come off too Richardish here. I feel like this conversation is endless and meaningless. Given that caveat, I think talking about it in terms of dollars instead of % of cap is silly.
- picklerick

I’ve used the cap % also. It’s about 14% of the cap. That’s insane for a goalie.

I’m going to try my best to not come off too Richardish here. I feel like this conversation is endless and meaningless. Given that caveat, I think talking about it in terms of dollars instead of % of cap is silly.
- picklerick

Oh you will be dragged into it one way or another. But it does seems to be an endless hamster wheel.

Oh, and stop being a d!ck about it.

Yep it’s why Trouba won’t get moved now. Most teams who had the cap space already used it. He’s here for another year
- TPC

And I think Drury needs to come to terms that he has Trouba, Mika, Panarin. These are not easily tradable or at all right now. He needs to commit to going all in to win with what you are stuck with in contract hell. That means sacrificing some future, ala '94. It is not as if the players we have are dogs or garbage by any stretch, the team needs to be rounded out with a commitment to building the winning team. That was the whole issue with Keenan demands to Smith.

That was my ultimate point to my posts a couple pages ago. A commitment. That may mean trading away some future for the now. You just cannot have it both ways and be "in between".

And I think Drury needs to come to terms that he has Trouba, Mika, Panarin. These are not easily tradable or at all right now. He needs to commit to going all in to win with what you are stuck with in contract hell. That means sacrificing some future, ala '94. It is not as if the players we have are dogs or garbage by any stretch, the team needs to be rounded out with a commitment to building the winning team. That was the whole issue with Keenan demands to Smith.

That was my ultimate point to my posts a couple pages ago. A commitment. That may mean trading away some future for the now. You just cannot have it both ways and be "in between".
- NYRCeph

Unfortunately I don’t think Panarin and Zib, being east/west guys, are the ones you want to be the stars of your team to have success in the playoffs. Drury has done a terrible job at managing assets and hasn’t made smart signings/trades to compound that.

What is your max %? I am presuming 11% will be okay, but 14 is too much. The question is how high of a percentage of the cap is too much.
- airjan23

12.3
2.7
6.4
11.7 (x2)

Those are the cap hit % of the last 5 winners at the time the contracts were signed. The moral of the story is there’s 1,000,001 variables, but you can win with your goalie making 12% of your cap. 3 of the last 5 winners did. So I’ll say 12% or less

12.3
2.7
6.4
11.7 (x2)

Those are the cap hit % of the last 5 winners at the time the contracts were signed. The moral of the story is there’s 1,000,001 variables, but you can win with your goalie making 12% of your cap. 3 of the last 5 winners did.
- picklerick

If ur referring to TB with Vasilevsky, I think 1 of those years he didn’t have his new contract yet. The following year when he did have that contract, they cheated with the cap and Kucherov. Let’s not forget those 2 facts though.

If ur referring to TB with Vasilevsky, I think 1 of those years he didn’t have his new contract yet. The following year when he did have that contract, they cheated with the cap and Kucherov. Let’s not forget those 2 facts though.
- nyrangers9479

And Vegas cheated with stone with a goalie making nothing. Call it a wash. 2/5 then.

Thats it on this topic for me