They hoped the trade deadline would put them over the hump this year. How’d that work out. Brindamour better start earning that beat coaching title
- ClaudeFather

Teams are going to want picks from rounds 1 and 2 from the next draft.

Yes but how many years can they keep trading picks. The penguins did it but at least won cups. Now the penguins are stuck worse than the flyers.

The canes aren't get any younger. They have an elderly defense, an old goalie and the forwards are getting up there as well. How long can Staal keep his play up.
- WhiskeyMan

It takes a toll on every team eventually but when you have a legitimate chance, why should you stop trying?

It takes a toll on every team eventually but when you have a legitimate chance, why should you stop trying?
- MJL

Never said they should stop but their window is closing and I don't see a way for them to win the cup

Since he stole the gun from his father, he probably would of stopped and went home due to worrying about getting caught with a banned weapon.

That's what the MILLIONS of criminals do when they carry their illegal weapons that weren't bought in a store with a mandatory background check....
- Glak18

Is effectiveness of policy a binary variable (0-1, all or nothing)? If it were, wouldn't your observation apply to all restrictions?

Drunk driving tests: some guys are gonna do it anyway. Traffic lights at rural roads: some guys are gonna run'em anyway. IRS audits: some guys are gonna cheat anyway. Drug laws. Some guys are gonna get them anyway.

And if not, surely then the issue becomes how much deterrence such laws would actually provide (your logic is only valid if that deterrence is 0). It would almost certainly have deterred this case. He did not "steal" this gun from his father. He was allowed to use it: when the gun was missing, his parents thought he had gone to the range, where he had been a member for a year, to practice.

This is an upper middle class kid. It is one thing to get cocaine. It is not that easy to secretly get a AR and practice with it for a year, while living the life he did, without someone noticing.

Never said they should stop but their window is closing and I don't see a way for them to win the cup
- WhiskeyMan

Only one team can win the Cup. But they look good enough to contend. If they can stay healthy and make some astute TDL moves who knows.

Well what if his father never got one, does he get one then?
- ClaudeFather

He could of gone the other easy way and buy the illegal one. Banning guns doesn't take them off the street. Just commonsense.

Never said they should stop but their window is closing and I don't see a way for them to win the cup
- WhiskeyMan

You asked how many years can they keep doing that? I addressed that. They're still a contender and their window is not closing.

I changed my mind on this one, I think the Flyers should make a full court press to get Rutger McGroarty from Winnipeg. This would salvage this uneventful off season and really jump start the rebuild. I think the Flyers have the assets to get this trade done; Farabee and one of their later 1st round picks should get it done. What changed my mind you ask? I never thought before about the risk of drafting college players with high 1st round picks. College players have much more leverage than junior players in the that they can just play out their 4 years and become free agents, while not hurting their development. Rutger McGroarty just wants a better path the NHL and disagree with what the Jets had proposed. I think the Flyers need to be bold here. They need to put the Gauthier situation in the rear view mirror and do what is best for the rebuild, and having Rutger McGroarty play with Michkov and eventually Luchenko could be an outstanding start.

In Year 1 with the Flyers, Hathaway became a tone-setter for the team's standard on the ice. Briere called him "a Flyer-type player" when the club first signed him.

(Taken from Jordan Hall's piece)

I by flyer's type player if DB means accepting more money and length on contract from the flyers than he may have gotten elsewhere then he may be right.

I changed my mind on this one, I think the Flyers should make a full court press to get Rutger McGroarty from Winnipeg. This would salvage this uneventful off season and really jump start the rebuild. I think the Flyers have the assets to get this trade done; Farabee and one of their later 1st round picks should get it done. What changed my mind you ask? I never thought before about the risk of drafting college players with high 1st round picks. College players have much more leverage than junior players in the that they can just play out their 4 years and become free agents, while not hurting their development. Rutger McGroarty just wants a better path the NHL and disagree with what the Jets had proposed. I think the Flyers need to be bold here. They need to put the Gauthier situation in the rear view mirror and do what is best for the rebuild, and having Rutger McGroarty play with Michkov and eventually Luchenko could be an outstanding start.
- jd250

But he's looking for guaranteed playing time....which we all know you are against. You have said repeatedly with Gauthier, he must earn it....this is the same.

But he's looking for guaranteed playing time....which we all know you are against. You have said repeatedly with Gauthier, he must earn it....this is the same.
- TheFreak

Are you certain of this? I didn't read this anywhere. If you are right, then yes I would be completely against any player that thinks they do not have earn a spot on the NHL roster. I'm just not sure that is the case here. I think with these college players, they use care more abut using their leverage to burn a year off their ELC. I can't imagine a hockey player at this level that doesn't work very hard and wants to earn their spot. Its in their DNA after all, or at least it should be.

Found out yesterday that Eric Johnson's agent is also Michkov's agent. Now the signing makes more sense to me.

You asked how many years can they keep doing that? I addressed that. They're still a contender and their window is not closing.
- MJL

the window is certainly closing. not as wide open as it was a year ago.

I changed my mind on this one, I think the Flyers should make a full court press to get Rutger McGroarty from Winnipeg. This would salvage this uneventful off season and really jump start the rebuild. I think the Flyers have the assets to get this trade done; Farabee and one of their later 1st round picks should get it done. What changed my mind you ask? I never thought before about the risk of drafting college players with high 1st round picks. College players have much more leverage than junior players in the that they can just play out their 4 years and become free agents, while not hurting their development. Rutger McGroarty just wants a better path the NHL and disagree with what the Jets had proposed. I think the Flyers need to be bold here. They need to put the Gauthier situation in the rear view mirror and do what is best for the rebuild, and having Rutger McGroarty play with Michkov and eventually Luchenko could be an outstanding start.
- jd250

that is an overpay.

so rutger wants a roster spot/playing time "guaranteed". now your stance has changed as you realize the flyers phucked up with cutter.

you think the head coach will give in to what rutger wants?

Found out yesterday that Eric Johnson's agent is also Michkov's agent. Now the signing makes more sense to me.
- jd250

it makes zero sense. who cares they have the same agent.

Are you certain of this? I didn't read this anywhere. If you are right, then yes I would be completely against any player that thinks they do not have earn a spot on the NHL roster. I'm just not sure that is the case here. I think with these college players, they use care more abut using their leverage to burn a year off their ELC. I can't imagine a hockey player at this level that doesn't work very hard and wants to earn their spot. Its in their DNA after all, or at least it should be.
- jd250

Been hiding under a rock?:

The league source indicated that McGroarty’s view of his long-term future with Winnipeg changed since the conclusion of his NCAA season.

Winnipeg wanted to sign McGroarty to a professional contract in April but was unwilling to promise a path to playing time... The Jets didn’t view McGroarty as ready to make that kind of impact, nor were they ready to guarantee him a roster spot in the NHL next season.


...

This isn’t a situation where the player wants out of Winnipeg because of his views on the city. Instead, there appears to be a disconnect between how Winnipeg’s player development viewed and communicated its plan with McGroarty and McGroarty’s view of his own future. The desire to play in the NHL played a big role in McGroarty’s decision not to sign in April; put simply, he viewed himself as more ready than the team did.

...

The league source tells The Athletic that McGroarty feels his path to the NHL is best suited in another organization.

It seems like a perfect storm emerged — that the Jets’ patient, long-term approach to player development combined with McGroarty’s NHL ambitions in a way that led to differing opinions that could not be overcome.
- The Athletic

Found out yesterday that Eric Johnson's agent is also Michkov's agent. Now the signing makes more sense to me.
- jd250

How does that make it more sensible?

it makes zero sense. who cares they have the same agent.
- hello it's me 2050

Yeah, the agent thing is completely meaningless.

There are only a handful of agents/agencies that represent the majority of the NHL's player base.

CAA alone represents around 100 current active NHL'ers and god knows how many prospects.

the window is certainly closing. not as wide open as it was a year ago.
- hello it's me 2050

Starting Goalie will turn 36 this season. Can't remember a season where he did not get hurt.
Defense - average age is 31, Burns is 39 and had a big drop off in points last season.
Offense - They have 5 million in cap space to sign Jarvis and Necas. After the season - 6 UFAs.
Coach - can't get the job done

Window is closing

Yeah, the agent thing is completely meaningless.

There are only a handful of agents/agencies that represent the majority of the NHL's player base.

CAA alone represents around 100 current active NHL'ers and god knows how many prospects.
- Tomahawk

Same nonsense that was peddled on here and elsewhere blaming Gauthier's agent as to why they didn't take Buium (which I'm still not sure was ever even confirmed he has the same representation). Same agency as Sean Walker, Joel Farabee. KO Sports is bound to represent more Flyers draft picks as well as free agents they would want to go after.

Starting Goalie will turn 36 this season. Can't remember a season where he did not get hurt.
Defense - average age is 31, Burns is 39 and had a big drop off in points last season.
Offense - They have 5 million in cap space to sign Jarvis and Necas. After the season - 6 UFAs.
Coach - can't get the job done

Window is closing
- WhiskeyMan

They have more than $5mil. The new cap site has 31 players on the roster. They can send down 8 players and clear $5mil more. They will also get $3.9mil from Kuzy leaving. So they have more like $14mil.

Yeah, the agent thing is completely meaningless.

There are only a handful of agents/agencies that represent the majority of the NHL's player base.

CAA alone represents around 100 current active NHL'ers and god knows how many prospects.
- Tomahawk

where the flyers are at just no need for EJ

Starting Goalie will turn 36 this season. Can't remember a season where he did not get hurt.
Defense - average age is 31, Burns is 39 and had a big drop off in points last season.
Offense - They have 5 million in cap space to sign Jarvis and Necas. After the season - 6 UFAs.
Coach - can't get the job done

Window is closing
- WhiskeyMan

still a contender somewhat, def not as strong as one compared to past teams. lost some damn good players and the replacements not as good.

Same nonsense that was peddled on here and elsewhere blaming Gauthier's agent as to why they didn't take Buium (which I'm still not sure was ever even confirmed he has the same representation). Same agency as Sean Walker, Joel Farabee. KO Sports is bound to represent more Flyers draft picks as well as free agents they would want to go after.
- TobyFlenderson

I agree though would it be shocking, if buium does have the same agent the flyers stayed clear? because don't want to get burned by another college player so soon.

I changed my mind on this one, I think the Flyers should make a full court press to get Rutger McGroarty from Winnipeg. This would salvage this uneventful off season and really jump start the rebuild. I think the Flyers have the assets to get this trade done; Farabee and one of their later 1st round picks should get it done. What changed my mind you ask? I never thought before about the risk of drafting college players with high 1st round picks. College players have much more leverage than junior players in the that they can just play out their 4 years and become free agents, while not hurting their development. Rutger McGroarty just wants a better path the NHL and disagree with what the Jets had proposed. I think the Flyers need to be bold here. They need to put the Gauthier situation in the rear view mirror and do what is best for the rebuild, and having Rutger McGroarty play with Michkov and eventually Luchenko could be an outstanding start.
- jd250

You are adding another RW with McGroarty so who's gone?