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26912 PP
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Location: Lucca
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Jul 16 @ 10:59 AM ET
you wanted a rebuild and a rebuild is about taking risk. They took a risk last year and it appears to have worked out. Their 2nd 1st rd pick last yr also looks really promising. Their last couple of drafts actually look like they have potential. They also took a risk this yr gambling that the player who is a calendar year younger than many others in the draft will be on the same level if not better than those drafted in front of him by this time next year. That was a risk. We will see if it works out. The Flyers have their issues, but I would not say their recent drafts are a cause for concern right now and yes, they prob deserve some faith because of that. Seems like some just want to be cranky here as they simply dont know what else to do...

wcorvette
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jul 16 @ 11:03 AM ET
you wanted a rebuild and a rebuild is about taking risk. They took a risk last year and it appears to have worked out. Their 2nd 1st rd pick last yr also looks really promising. Their last couple of drafts actually look like they have potential. They also took a risk this yr gambling that the player who is a calendar year younger than many others in the draft will be on the same level if not better than those drafted in front of him by this time next year. That was a risk. We will see if it works out. The Flyers have their issues, but I would not say their recent drafts are a cause for concern right now and yes, they prob deserve some faith because of that. Seems like some just want to be cranky here as they simply dont know what else to do...
- 26912 PP


don't disagree, you can make a case they should have not made that pick, but they did and only time will tell if they were right. Other teams also passed on that pick. My real issue is where they were picking, we needed that bottom 10 finish.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 16 @ 11:05 AM ET
Flahr and his scouting staff have produced squat so far in their tenure - a 3/4 Dman in york - that is it
- corduroy


If you need a middle-pair D or middle-six F Brent Flahr will find him for you.

😂
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jul 16 @ 11:13 AM ET
you wanted a rebuild and a rebuild is about taking risk. They took a risk last year and it appears to have worked out. Their 2nd 1st rd pick last yr also looks really promising. Their last couple of drafts actually look like they have potential. They also took a risk this yr gambling that the player who is a calendar year younger than many others in the draft will be on the same level if not better than those drafted in front of him by this time next year. That was a risk. We will see if it works out. The Flyers have their issues, but I would not say their recent drafts are a cause for concern right now and yes, they prob deserve some faith because of that. Seems like some just want to be cranky here as they simply dont know what else to do...
- 26912 PP

they have not earned any faith.

what do they have to show at the nhl under flahrs drafts? 23 and 24 obviously cant judge yet.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Jul 16 @ 11:17 AM ET
You don't think that is a foundation for a cup contending team? Interesting. Even with all the culture and standard they bring to the table?
- MJL


To me it's all about the accountability.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jul 16 @ 11:25 AM ET
Just saw…

The rumored trade involves the Flyers sending Travis Konecny to the Capitals with 50% of his salary retained. In return, the Capitals would part with veteran forward T.J. Oshie, defenseman Ethan Bear, promising prospect Hendrix Lapierre, and a 2025 first-round pick. This deal would allow the Capitals to stay cap-compliant, leveraging the long-term injured reserve (LTIR) status of Nicklas Backstrom and his $9.2 million cap hit.

I wouldn’t do it because you just bought out Atkinson, just to bring in Oshie. Bear doesn’t improve or really change anything. Hendrix Lapierre while young and has potential, he doesn’t strike me as a stand out over anything we already have.
Uncle Vanya
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Joined: 06.20.2024

Jul 16 @ 11:38 AM ET
Just saw…

The rumored trade involves the Flyers sending Travis Konecny to the Capitals with 50% of his salary retained. In return, the Capitals would part with veteran forward T.J. Oshie, defenseman Ethan Bear, promising prospect Hendrix Lapierre, and a 2025 first-round pick. This deal would allow the Capitals to stay cap-compliant, leveraging the long-term injured reserve (LTIR) status of Nicklas Backstrom and his $9.2 million cap hit.

I wouldn’t do it because you just bought out Atkinson, just to bring in Oshie. Bear doesn’t improve or really change anything. Hendrix Lapierre while young and has potential, he doesn’t strike me as a stand out over anything we already have.

- roenick97

AI generated bullpoop.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Jul 16 @ 11:44 AM ET
Just saw…

The rumored trade involves the Flyers sending Travis Konecny to the Capitals with 50% of his salary retained. In return, the Capitals would part with veteran forward T.J. Oshie, defenseman Ethan Bear, promising prospect Hendrix Lapierre, and a 2025 first-round pick. This deal would allow the Capitals to stay cap-compliant, leveraging the long-term injured reserve (LTIR) status of Nicklas Backstrom and his $9.2 million cap hit.

I wouldn’t do it because you just bought out Atkinson, just to bring in Oshie. Bear doesn’t improve or really change anything. Hendrix Lapierre while young and has potential, he doesn’t strike me as a stand out over anything we already have.

- roenick97


saw this a few days ago as well -- click bait IMO
atibus
Joined: 06.23.2011

Jul 16 @ 11:59 AM ET
Just saw…

The rumored trade involves the Flyers sending Travis Konecny to the Capitals with 50% of his salary retained. In return, the Capitals would part with veteran forward T.J. Oshie, defenseman Ethan Bear, promising prospect Hendrix Lapierre, and a 2025 first-round pick. This deal would allow the Capitals to stay cap-compliant, leveraging the long-term injured reserve (LTIR) status of Nicklas Backstrom and his $9.2 million cap hit.

I wouldn’t do it because you just bought out Atkinson, just to bring in Oshie. Bear doesn’t improve or really change anything. Hendrix Lapierre while young and has potential, he doesn’t strike me as a stand out over anything we already have.

- roenick97


This is written like it could be a proposal from the Caps. It would be a great trade for them. Obviously Danny should laugh them off the call, or counter for something equally laughable like swapping Lapierre for Leonard.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 16 @ 12:04 PM ET
you wanted a rebuild and a rebuild is about taking risk. They took a risk last year and it appears to have worked out. Their 2nd 1st rd pick last yr also looks really promising. Their last couple of drafts actually look like they have potential. They also took a risk this yr gambling that the player who is a calendar year younger than many others in the draft will be on the same level if not better than those drafted in front of him by this time next year. That was a risk. We will see if it works out. The Flyers have their issues, but I would not say their recent drafts are a cause for concern right now and yes, they prob deserve some faith because of that. Seems like some just want to be cranky here as they simply dont know what else to do...
- 26912 PP


Your basic premise is flawed. A rebuild is not about taking risks. A rebuild is about making smart choices and decision making.

Making a statement that some just want to be cranky as they simply don't know what else to do. Is not an intelligent statement. What has this organization done in the last decade to deserve some faith?
Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Jul 16 @ 12:04 PM ET
you wanted a rebuild and a rebuild is about taking risk. They took a risk last year and it appears to have worked out. Their 2nd 1st rd pick last yr also looks really promising. Their last couple of drafts actually look like they have potential. They also took a risk this yr gambling that the player who is a calendar year younger than many others in the draft will be on the same level if not better than those drafted in front of him by this time next year. That was a risk. We will see if it works out. The Flyers have their issues, but I would not say their recent drafts are a cause for concern right now and yes, they prob deserve some faith because of that. Seems like some just want to be cranky here as they simply dont know what else to do...
- 26912 PP


Last year wasn't really a risk and what people were worried about had nothing to do with his on ice talents.

Talentwise Michkov would've gone higher without his off ice concerns which were not entirely in his control. By the time he fell to the Flyers he was a consensus bargain at that draft position. The risk, where the Flyers drafted, was in looking stupid if he did come over and they had passed on him.

Michkov was not a "diamond in the rough" where the Flyers were smarter than the average bear. There is nothing about the drafting of Michkov vs Jett which is similar. This goes back to quality vs quantity.

Outside of Michkov, the Flyers have elected to go with quantity over quality. Passing on potential "elite" guys for guys with lower ceilings who are likely to make the NHL who play the Flyers way.

Passing on Gabe Perrault to draft Bonk for organizational need. Then passing on Buium to draft Jett because Buium profiles similarly to the last 3 norris trophy winners is insane for a team that's been looking for a #1 dman for the last 10 years. Much like with Michkov, other teams had plausible reasons to pass on Buium with the jumble at the top of the draft, the Flyers didn't.

To steal from another poster, the Flyers received a gift and gave it back. This is no knock on the players the Flyers did draft as they currently project to be NHLers but the Flyers need franchise players, not middle of the lineup players.

Not to mention, a rebuild is all about getting those elite players and as many shots at getting those elite players as possible. That is not what the Flyers are doing.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jul 16 @ 12:06 PM ET
Last year wasn't really a risk and what people were worried about had nothing to do with his on ice talents.

Talentwise Michkov would've gone higher without his off ice concerns which were not entirely in his control. By the time he fell to the Flyers he was a consensus bargain at that draft position. The risk, where the Flyers drafted, was in looking stupid if he did come over and they had passed on him.

Michkov was not a "diamond in the rough" where the Flyers were smarter than the average bear. There is nothing about the drafting of Michkov vs Jett which is similar. This goes back to quality vs quantity.

Outside of Michkov, the Flyers have elected to go with quantity over quality. Passing on potential "elite" guys for guys with lower ceilings who are likely to make the NHL who play the Flyers way.

Passing on Gabe Perrault to draft Bonk for organizational need. Then passing on Buium to draft Jett because Buium profiles similarly to the last 3 norris trophy winners is insane for a team that's been looking for a #1 dman for the last 10 years. Much like with Michkov, other teams had plausible reasons to pass on Buium with the jumble at the top of the draft, the Flyers didn't.

To steal from another poster, the Flyers received a gift and gave it back. This is no knock on the players the Flyers did draft as they currently project to be NHLers but the Flyers need franchise players, not middle of the lineup players.

Not to mention, a rebuild is all about getting those elite players and as many shots at getting those elite players as possible. That is not what the Flyers are doing.

- Flyers_01

do you want the brand new boat, or the mystery box?
daddytc
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Sarasota, FL
Joined: 10.03.2014

Jul 16 @ 12:34 PM ET
The day Clarke signed Beezer over Cujo...
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Jul 16 @ 1:14 PM ET
Sounds like Kolosov wants his Flyers contract terminated. According to sources over in Belarus
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Jul 16 @ 1:14 PM ET
The day Clarke signed Beezer over Cujo...
- daddytc


It always bothered me that they went all out for forwards and to a lesser extent d-men. But they never made the big goalie splash.
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jul 16 @ 1:25 PM ET
Just saw…

The rumored trade involves the Flyers sending Travis Konecny to the Capitals with 50% of his salary retained. In return, the Capitals would part with veteran forward T.J. Oshie, defenseman Ethan Bear, promising prospect Hendrix Lapierre, and a 2025 first-round pick. This deal would allow the Capitals to stay cap-compliant, leveraging the long-term injured reserve (LTIR) status of Nicklas Backstrom and his $9.2 million cap hit.

I wouldn’t do it because you just bought out Atkinson, just to bring in Oshie. Bear doesn’t improve or really change anything. Hendrix Lapierre while young and has potential, he doesn’t strike me as a stand out over anything we already have.

- roenick97

While most likely not true, I do this deal. Lapierre has looked very good in the AHL and looked good in a VERY short PO appearance in the NHL last year. He almost certainly isn’t the 1C they need but TK probably isn't getting them that. They need to suck and draft very high which this trade would help them do. Bear and Oshie are just cap casualties and not going to move the needle. I have to say yes to this deal as it:

1. Keeps them from signing TK long term
2. Increases their draft position
3. Adds a solid C prospect (2C potential)
4. Gets another 1st rounder
5. All of that extra cap comes off next year and this year is a punt anyways
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Jul 16 @ 1:28 PM ET
While most likely not true, I do this deal. Lapierre has looked very good in the AHL and looked good in a VERY short PO appearance in the NHL last year. He almost certainly isn’t the 1C they need but TK probably isn't getting them that. They need to suck and draft very high which this trade would help them do. Bear and Oshie are just cap casualties and not going to move the needle. I have to say yes to this deal as it:

1. Keeps them from signing TK long term
2. Increases their draft position
3. Adds a solid C prospect (2C potential)
4. Gets another 1st rounder
5. All of that extra cap comes off next year and this year is a punt anyways

- coffee junkie


Oshie and Michkov would be a dynamic duo in the shootout.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jul 16 @ 1:30 PM ET
It always bothered me that they went all out for forwards and to a lesser extent d-men. But they never made the big goalie splash.
- mickel25

even more odd is clarke saw first hand what a great goalie can do for a cup winning team!!!

remember reading somewhere tretiak told him you don't need a great goalie or something to that effect.

Maybe Bill can chime in on that one.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jul 16 @ 1:30 PM ET
Sounds like Kolosov wants his Flyers contract terminated. According to sources over in Belarus
- WhiskeyMan

any link?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jul 16 @ 1:32 PM ET
While most likely not true, I do this deal. Lapierre has looked very good in the AHL and looked good in a VERY short PO appearance in the NHL last year. He almost certainly isn’t the 1C they need but TK probably isn't getting them that. They need to suck and draft very high which this trade would help them do. Bear and Oshie are just cap casualties and not going to move the needle. I have to say yes to this deal as it:

1. Keeps them from signing TK long term
2. Increases their draft position
3. Adds a solid C prospect (2C potential)
4. Gets another 1st rounder
5. All of that extra cap comes off next year and this year is a punt anyways

- coffee junkie

comes down to TK at 50% for a caps 1st, Lappy II, and a cap dump.

is that worth it? do you need more for the cap dumps? Caps pick could be somewhat high if no restrictions.
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Jul 16 @ 1:34 PM ET
Just saw…

The rumored trade involves the Flyers sending Travis Konecny to the Capitals with 50% of his salary retained. In return, the Capitals would part with veteran forward T.J. Oshie, defenseman Ethan Bear, promising prospect Hendrix Lapierre, and a 2025 first-round pick. This deal would allow the Capitals to stay cap-compliant, leveraging the long-term injured reserve (LTIR) status of Nicklas Backstrom and his $9.2 million cap hit.

I wouldn’t do it because you just bought out Atkinson, just to bring in Oshie. Bear doesn’t improve or really change anything. Hendrix Lapierre while young and has potential, he doesn’t strike me as a stand out over anything we already have.

- roenick97


BS on this. Oshie might even play next season. Nothing see here, move along!
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Jul 16 @ 1:37 PM ET
any link?
- hello it's me 2050


Charlie and team were talking about it on their PHY show. They said Belarus.com, not sure if that is a real site
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jul 16 @ 1:38 PM ET
Charlie and team were talking about it on their PHY show. They said Belarus.com, not sure if that is a real site
- WhiskeyMan

reached out to my Belarusian contact didn't hear back yet
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jul 16 @ 1:42 PM ET
https://x.com/Belarushock...5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Jul 16 @ 2:03 PM ET
https://x.com/Belarushockey/status/1813231270433845450?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1813231270433845450%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=
- hello it's me 2050


Thanks, I don't have X(twitter)
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