You just can't help yourself. You constantly contradict yourself without even realizing it. First you use that Buium dropped after being forecasted to go top 5 as a reason to support the Flyers not picking him. Then you say that rankings and mock drafts are our amusement, nothing more. Do they matter or don't they?
- MJL

They only matter for our curiosity. The true rankings are behind closed doors. The community board and writers rankings excite the fans. build interest and educate us on how things might go.

"I've been watching Jay O'Brien playing at BU for two seasons and I'm telling you he is going to be an NHL player. He has the goods"
- MJL

Since they weren’t taking D’Andre, Conan wouldn’t have been a worse pick.

They only matter for our curiosity. The true rankings are behind closed doors. The community board and writers rankings excite the fans. build interest and educate us on how things might go.
- peesinwind

I think you missed the point. You can't use the pre draft rankings to support an opinion you have and then dismiss them and say they don't matter when it doesn't support an opinion.

you cant. however you can put some blame on danny boy and orgineyzation no? this would be the 2nd player they would lose. both who they had high hopes for.
- hello it's me 2050

That is the risk at drafting from the KHL (and feeders) as to why you can get a steal from Russia (or like minded counties). It is on the scouts. Just like taking Michkov at 7. Burning that high pick on a kid that has risks (even though talented) is on the scouts. If he pays off then it was a good pick and if he gets home sick and leaves then not so good.

I think you missed the point. You can't use the pre draft rankings to support an opinion you have and then dismiss them and say they don't matter when it doesn't support an opinion.
- MJL

No. I got the point. You are correct. Just adding to the discussion.

That is the risk at drafting from the KHL (and feeders) as to why you can get a steal from Russia (or like minded counties). It is on the scouts. Just like taking Michkov at 7. Burning that high pick on a kid that has risks (even though talented) is on the scouts. If he pays off then it was a good pick and if he gets home sick and leaves then not so good.
- peesinwind

Actually it's on the GM, not the scouts. The scouts make recommendations and rank the players. The GM makes the call

I get into the draft predictions to be honest. When the Flyers draft I put on my Black and Orange googles love drinking the Kool-aid.

I’m digging Luchanko. I wanted Zeev when he was still there. And I was like “🤦” when the drafted Luchanko. With that said, I like what I read about the kid.

The true rankings are behind closed doors.
- peesinwind

Occasionally we get a peek

They only matter for our curiosity. The true rankings are behind closed doors. The community board and writers rankings excite the fans. build interest and educate us on how things might go.
- peesinwind

Exactly! Well said!

Actually it's on the GM, not the scouts. The scouts make recommendations and rank the players. The GM makes the call
- MJL

correct they identify the talent.

I think you missed the point. You can't use the pre draft rankings to support an opinion you have and then dismiss them and say they don't matter when it doesn't support an opinion.
- MJL

Only you can try to find a contradiction when there is none. My point is very simple. Many of the draft rankings had Buium picked in the top 5 and Luchenko picked between 19-23. But the real rankings, the only ones that matter, are the rankings by the teams which no one knows outside of the teams themselves. So Buium falls and everyone say "Wow what at gift, a highly ranked player fell to us" while when Luchenko gets picked at 13 many say "What a reach, could have traded down and got this player at 20!". You see my point. These rankings are for our amusement, nothing more. Teams have full time scouts that watch 100s of games, interview players, go to tournaments and the combine. They all stack rank these players, and certainly don't stack rank them the same. So while the fantasy rankings had Buium in the top 5, the real rankings by NHL teams clearly had him much lower. Again, I don't see how this controversial in any way or a contradiction.

No. I got the point. You are correct. Just adding to the discussion.
- peesinwind

The only thing I am supporting is the pre-draft rankings were wrong on both players!

Only you can try to find a contradiction when there is none. My point is very simple. Many of the draft rankings had Buium picked in the top 5 and Luchenko picked between 19-23. But the real rankings, the only ones that matter, are the rankings by the teams which no one knows outside of the teams themselves. So Buium falls and everyone say "Wow what at gift, a highly ranked player fell to us" while when Luchenko gets picked at 13 many say "What a reach, could have traded down and got this player at 20!". You see my point. These rankings are for our amusement, nothing more. Teams have full time scouts that watch 100s of games, interview players, go to tournaments and the combine. They all stack rank these players, and certainly don't stack rank them the same. So while the fantasy rankings had Buium in the top 5, the real rankings by NHL teams clearly had him much lower. Again, I don't see how this controversial in any way or a contradiction.
- jd250

There is a clear contradiction. You used the pre draft rankings of Buium who was supposed to go top 5, to try and support that the Flyers didn't select him. That he dropped from where he was "supposed" to go. Then you dismissed the rankings. You used them when it suited you and dismissed them when it didn't.

Jeff Hacket says hi
- WhiskeyMan

Jeff really couldnt Hackett

There is a clear contradiction. You used the pre draft rankings of Buium who was supposed to go top 5, to try and support that the Flyers didn't select him. That he dropped from where he was "supposed" to go. Then you dismissed the rankings. You used them when it suited you and dismissed them when it didn't.
- MJL

you are completely false and delusional .. done talking about this.

done talking about this.
- jd250

You should be.

Actually it's on the GM, not the scouts. The scouts make recommendations and rank the players. The GM makes the call
- MJL

True.

The only thing I am supporting is the pre-draft rankings were wrong on both players!
- jd250

Correct. And many others. As I recall there was a lot of “who really knows” going into this draft.

Occasionally we get a peek


- Tomahawk

I love when they do that. But I get why they don’t.

Jeff really couldnt Hackett
- corduroy

🤦😂

Jeff really couldnt Hackett
- corduroy

IIRC he came down with vertigo and couldn't shake it.

Jeff really couldnt Hackett
- corduroy

Lol

What would you want for your 1st round pick a first pairing dman or 2c/3c?


That is the only question that you should be asking yourself.
- Flyerloon

The thing is, he only recently was put into a bigger role once Poitras left the Storm (Bruins prospect) and since Jett barely made the cutoff for this year he was not on a lot of teams’ radar. So he was playing a 2C/3C role. So he wasn’t projected super highly. Fast forward and this kid who is among the youngest in his draft class gets a larger role and sees a 60 point increase. How would he have been drafted the following year where he’s among the oldest and had more time as a top dog to pad his stats? We will never know but the idea he could have gone much higher the following year is something to consider. We will know in a few years but as I said this could be a sneaky good pick. He barely made the cutoff and was still projected 20th? Idk I’m looking forward to his development

I think folks put too much stock into these pre draft listings because they rarely pan out precisely how they were “projected”

The thing is, he only recently was put into a bigger role once Poitras left the Storm (Bruins prospect) and since Jett barely made the cutoff for this year he was not on a lot of teams’ radar. So he was playing a 2C/3C role. So he wasn’t projected super highly. Fast forward and this kid who is among the youngest in his draft class gets a larger role and sees a 60 point increase. How would he have been drafted the following year where he’s among the oldest and had more time as a top dog to pad his stats? We will never know but the idea he could have gone much higher the following year is something to consider. We will know in a few years but as I said this could be a sneaky good pick. He barely made the cutoff and was still projected 20th? Idk I’m looking forward to his development
- anti-lame

I get all this and it actually does make sense. However, I will always have a hard time knowing they passed on Buium. Maybe in 5 years I will feel different.

I just think a team in the Flyers spot cant be getting too "cute" at the draft, at least not yet.

I hope he turns in to Mike Richards 2.0 with better skating.

I get all this and it actually does make sense. However, I will always have a hard time knowing they passed on Buium. Maybe in 5 years I will feel different.

I just think a team in the Flyers spot cant be getting too "cute" at the draft, at least not yet.

I hope he turns in to Mike Richards 2.0 with better skating.
- MBFlyerfan

In a draft that isn’t super deep to begin with I understand the reach in a position of need with this kid given all that info.

Buium may end up very good. Nothing against the player. I do think it being a college kid with Cutter’s agent, even if it’s only optics and wouldn’t pan out worse case scenario, was enough to avoid that pick - at least putting a year between that debacle and this pick. If it happened twice in a row with the same agent we’d all cry malpractice. Some say that’s not a factor whatsoever, I say how can that not be a factor? It was a very public embarrassment.