Disagree. If he doesn’t take 8x8, I’d tell him you’re a goner. Some of the arguments that support that, are:
1. He loses the extra year of big money when he will be out of his prime.
2. Risk of being injured this year. If he plays scared, he will be ineffective and drop his value.
3. He’s worth less to any other team, as he would not be getting as much prime time ice, ie. Power play, offensive zone starts.
4. He’s a smallish player who will not age well playing a physical game.
5. Demonstrates his selfishness.
6. The time value of money by getting those a extra millions a year earlier.

I’m sure I left out some others, but that’s what comes to mind immediately.

I don’t want him at anywhere near 10. 8x8 is fair, or try to trade him at the deadline, or prior to the season. F him and his agent!
- Hokeeguy9

There is a huge fly in the ointment with your comments here. If the Flyers tell him he's a goner, and they're going to trade him. When is it most likely that the Flyers will trade him? Before or after the trade deadline?

I think Konency's agent would chuckle at that attempted strategy.

The evaluation of Buium bothers me the most. He has been compared to Hughes and Makar with some of his attributes and is one of the most decorated rookie defensemen in college history.

Take a swing on Jett when everyone around him has question marks of their own but when you have the gift horse staring you in the face, at a position the team has found impossible to fill for a decade and you go "nahhhh" boggles my mind. There is also a very plausible scenario where they have both players but Briere would rather have the 1st rnd pick for next year and the 2nds for marginal energy players.

https://denverpioneers.co...%20on%20five%20occasions.

A first-team All-American, Buium was DU's first freshman defenseman to earn the national accolade and the Pios' first rookie since forward Henrik Borgstrom (first team) in 2017. Buium helped the Pioneers win their NCAA-record 10th national championship in April in Minnesota and earned a spot on the Frozen Four All-Tournament Team. He was also recognized as the NCHC Rookie of the Year, the NCHC Offensive Defenseman of the Year and was a finalist for the Tim Taylor Award as the national rookie of the year. ... and on and on.

Sorry but if Buium goes on to be a 1D, it really won't matter what Jett does, the Flyers would've made the wrong decision in foresight and hindsight.
- Flyers_01

Yes, but is he better than Emil Andrae?

Yes, but is he better than Emil Andrae?
- TobyFlenderson

The Flyers think that Emil Andrae is going to be so good that he won't make the team this upcoming season.

The evaluation of Buium bothers me the most. He has been compared to Hughes and Makar with some of his attributes and is one of the most decorated rookie defensemen in college history.

Take a swing on Jett when everyone around him has question marks of their own but when you have the gift horse staring you in the face, at a position the team has found impossible to fill for a decade and you go "nahhhh" boggles my mind. There is also a very plausible scenario where they have both players but Briere would rather have the 1st rnd pick for next year and the 2nds for marginal energy players.

https://denverpioneers.co...%20on%20five%20occasions.

A first-team All-American, Buium was DU's first freshman defenseman to earn the national accolade and the Pios' first rookie since forward Henrik Borgstrom (first team) in 2017. Buium helped the Pioneers win their NCAA-record 10th national championship in April in Minnesota and earned a spot on the Frozen Four All-Tournament Team. He was also recognized as the NCHC Rookie of the Year, the NCHC Offensive Defenseman of the Year and was a finalist for the Tim Taylor Award as the national rookie of the year. ... and on and on.

Sorry but if Buium goes on to be a 1D, it really won't matter what Jett does, the Flyers would've made the wrong decision in foresight and hindsight.
- Flyers_01

I would have drafted the Dman. then used the Florida and Oilers pick to trade with one of the teams who picked right after them.

If you had to overpay to get your guy so be it. Don't know if they tried though there are zero rumors that they did. Surely it would have come out.

I just do not see danny as an out of the box thinker. Still cracks me up he mentioned the 3 dman as why didn't draft another one.

There is a huge fly in the ointment with your comments here. If the Flyers tell him he's a goner, and they're going to trade him. When is it most likely that the Flyers will trade him? Before or after the trade deadline?

I think Konency's agent would chuckle at that attempted strategy.
- MJL

Then keep your mouth shut and trade him. No reason to pay him anywhere near what he’s asking, especially in light of the latest contracts that were signed by better players. Seems my points were valid, but yes, I agree, don’t tip your hand.if you disagree, I’d respectfully like to hear why.

Yes, but is he better than Emil Andrae?
- TobyFlenderson

From the limited games I have seen of Andrae, I would have to say I question if he will ever be a full time NHLer for Philly.

https://x.com/avappleyard/status/1813518491695120538?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1813518491695120538%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

make it happen danny boy.
- hello it's me 2050

Yeah! Make the trade happen Danny Boy!

Then keep your mouth shut and trade him. No reason to pay him anywhere near what he’s asking, especially in light of the latest contracts that were signed by better players. Seems my points were valid, but yes, I agree, don’t tip your hand.if you disagree, I’d respectfully like to hear why.
- Hokeeguy9

thing is the flyers see him differently. core player. Someone to build around. that is the problem!!!

Then keep your mouth shut and trade him. No reason to pay him anywhere near what he’s asking, especially in light of the latest contracts that were signed by better players. Seems my points were valid, but yes, I agree, don’t tip your hand.if you disagree, I’d respectfully like to hear why.
- Hokeeguy9

So, your strategy is a complete no go. Here is the bottom line. If they're going to re-sign him, I prefer a trade. You hope a fair deal is reached. However, Konency holds all of the leverage. It has nothing to do with tipping your hand. It has to do with your plan, simply wouldn't work as a negotiation tactic.

A team trading for Konecny by the trade deadline, can also sign him to 8 years. If they're obtaining him as a rental, and letting him go to UFA after the season. He will be one of the top UFA players available. It's true that at that point, he would only be able to get 7 years but with the way teams overpay, he can easily make up that money with a higher AAV with teams bidding against one another.

thing is the flyers see him differently. core player. Someone to build around. that is the problem!!!
- hello it's me 2050

That really is the issue. He is a very good player and I like him. But he needs to be traded.

The Flyers have pretty good depth on wing. That's assuming MM is legit and Foerster and Tippett reach potential. All realistic outcomes.

TK is the most valuable trade chip they have now and will have in the near future.

So, your strategy is a complete no go. Here is the bottom line. If they're going to re-sign him, I prefer a trade. You hope a fair deal is reached. However, Konency holds all of the leverage. It has nothing to do with tipping your hand. It has to do with your plan, simply wouldn't work as a negotiation tactic.

A team trading for Konecny by the trade deadline, can also sign him to 8 years. If they're obtaining him as a rental, and letting him go to UFA after the season. He will be one of the top UFA players available. It's true that at that point, he would only be able to get 7 years but with the way teams overpay, he can easily make up that money with a higher AAV with teams bidding against one another.
- MJL

bingo

Man, people are already turning on him just because his agent is starting to play the game he’s paid to do.

So, your strategy is a complete no go. Here is the bottom line. If they're going to re-sign him, I prefer a trade. You hope a fair deal is reached. However, Konency holds all of the leverage. It has nothing to do with tipping your hand. It has to do with your plan, simply wouldn't work as a negotiation tactic.

A team trading for Konecny by the trade deadline, can also sign him to 8 years. If they're obtaining him as a rental, and letting him go to UFA after the season. He will be one of the top UFA players available. It's true that at that point, he would only be able to get 7 years but with the way teams overpay, he can easily make up that money with a higher AAV with teams bidding against one another.
- MJL

I understand your reasoning, and not being contrarian. I just think it would be better to trade him while his value is at its highest. You made my point about he can only get 8 years by the team that traded for him. That means the Flyers (hopefully) got fair value for the team. It also means the Flyers won’t finish outside of the bottom 10, and will draft fairly high in a deeper draft coming up.

If they can’t fair value for him, it only emphasizes to his agent that his percieved value is not as high as what his camp thinks it is. Recent signings bear that out.

What would you do with him?

Bill, hopefully you can chime in as well.

Thanks!

bingo

Man, people are already turning on him just because his agent is starting to play the game he’s paid to do.
- Hesh_

I’m not turning on him. I really like TK, but his agent, and he, to a point, aren’t playing “the game” with any ethics. A good negotiation is when both sides feel like they got something, and can walk away satisfied. Since the signing or trade has gotten to this point in the summer, it doesn’t say good faith. One party has unfairly screwed this up. Not pointing fingers, but we shouldn’t be here at this point. Perception often dictates reality.

It's really hard to respond when you mix your response into random spots of the original post but i think i have all the sections?

Centers. The next draft has been endlessly hyped for centers so, no, I wouldn't have cared if they drafted centers in this draft. My understanding is that they could draft better/more centers next draft without having to move up so why wouldn't they do that? Even the 2 centers they did draft in the 2nd and 4th aren't projected to have an offensive impact on the team, if they even make it to the NHL so why should i be excited about them?

Your opinion is not based on anything other than wanting to give the Flyers the benefit of the doubt. Mine is based on what scouts have published. Not saying it's correct but i have a better basis.

You are doing alot of optimistic projecting regarding EDM pick. You could be right but EDM may go deep in the playoffs again so you can't count on it being in the low 20s. I didn't say it was a bad decision, I just said it isn't the stroke of genius some made it out to be. Without knowing who the Flyers would've drafted this year with it and who they draft next year with it, who can say?

I will say if the Flyers had drafted Buium and then Jett with the (32nd+ 2nd rnd pick (or even both 2nds) I would be much happier with the draft than the 2 stiffs they drafted in the 2nd. 2 players that could potentially play in the top 6/1st pair of the lineup and be excited about. That's the type of risk i am looking for in the Flyers. You are more optimistic on what the Flyers do (can do) with those picks than i am.

Jett. He is a physical high energy player who is an above average skater and has trouble scoring. Other than his excellent skating, absolutely what you look in your energy line players. Will he be more than that, yes, but the Flyers have a "type" of player they look for.

They drafted Michkov because it was a no-brainer. I can't give them credit for picking what many thought was the 2nd most skilled player in the draft at 7th. Again with Jett, how/who has forecasted his skills as 1C?
- Flyers_01

They did draft Michkov. Credit. A handful of GM’s passed. They took a play that was looking like he was locked up for 3 more years after that draft. Smallish and no where in a grinder type.

Fact. Flyers drafted him. Credit earned. Michkov could have been a slam dunk at 2 or 3.

And I would temper your judgement on Jett. His scoring rate increased a lot in the second half of the season. I think it is fair to see what happens next season. He is not a grinder. Just works hard. That shouldn’t work against him. That’s a great quality.

I understand your reasoning, and not being contrarian. I just think it would be better to trade him while his value is at its highest. You made my point about he can only get 8 years by the team that traded for him. That means the Flyers (hopefully) got fair value for the team. It also means the Flyers won’t finish outside of the bottom 10, and will draft fairly high in a deeper draft coming up.

If they can’t fair value for him, it only emphasizes to his agent that his percieved value is not as high as what his camp thinks it is. Recent signings bear that out.

What would you do with him?

Bill, hopefully you can chime in as well.

Thanks!
- Hokeeguy9

value was higher at this past deadline imo.

Everything I have read is Jett's ceiling is a 2C and most likely a 3rd C
- Flyfly

Yeah. That’s what I’ve been reading also. I don’t what the Flyers think of him or Zeev. All I know is that they traded back to gain another pick and then choose Luchanko. Brier said they had the two players ranked close and that one was similar to some prayers/prospects that they already had. So they went for need.

I understand your reasoning, and not being contrarian. I just think it would be better to trade him while his value is at its highest. You made my point about he can only get 8 years by the team that traded for him. That means the Flyers (hopefully) got fair value for the team. It also means the Flyers won’t finish outside of the bottom 10, and will draft fairly high in a deeper draft coming up.

If they can’t fair value for him, it only emphasizes to his agent that his percieved value is not as high as what his camp thinks it is. Recent signings bear that out.

What would you do with him?

Bill, hopefully you can chime in as well.

Thanks!
- Hokeeguy9

I said in my post I prefer a trade. The Flyers should trade him in my opinion.

Yes, I would take that. I would take a first and a prospect too
- TheFreak

If the AAV is 9 mil or higher and puts him 35 his last year. I’ll take the pick and prospect if it is a good prospect.

I’m not turning on him. I really like TK, but his agent, and he, to a point, aren’t playing “the game” with any ethics. A good negotiation is when both sides feel like they got something, and can walk away satisfied. Since the signing or trade has gotten to this point in the summer, it doesn’t say good faith. One party has unfairly screwed this up. Not pointing fingers, but we shouldn’t be here at this point. Perception often dictates reality.
- Hokeeguy9

None of that is true. Under the CBA, he will be a pending UFA. That means he has the right to control his contract. How is that not good ethics when the team has had complete control over him for 7 accrued seasons? NHL players routinely go into their final season unsigned. It's completely ethical.

And I would temper your judgement on Jett. His scoring rate increased a lot in the second half of the season. I think it is fair to see what happens next season. He is not a grinder. Just works hard. That shouldn’t work against him. That’s a great quality.
- peesinwind

In NHL history, there have been tons of players who scored at a very high level in juniors that did not translate to the NHL.

Yeah. That’s what I’ve been reading also. I don’t what the Flyers think of him or Zeev. All I know is that they traded back to gain another pick and then choose Luchanko. Brier said they had the two players ranked close and that one was similar to some prayers/prospects that they already had. So they went for need.
- peesinwind

My thoughts on that are that with how Buium was projected, if Briere truly believed that. We're in trouble because his player evaluation skills suck.

I’m not turning on him. I really like TK, but his agent, and he, to a point, aren’t playing “the game” with any ethics. A good negotiation is when both sides feel like they got something, and can walk away satisfied. Since the signing or trade has gotten to this point in the summer, it doesn’t say good faith. One party has unfairly screwed this up. Not pointing fingers, but we shouldn’t be here at this point. Perception often dictates reality.
- Hokeeguy9

Agents aren’t paid to play by ethics. If an “ethical” deal is ever struck, it’s at the behest of the player to just take it because they’re happy there.

I love the Flyers. I do. What have they done or what can they offer for him to not seek out the biggest slice he can grab? It’s not like he’s some life long Philadelphian. Like every other player, they wanna win and they want to get paid. Legacy comes into play for the all time greats, but we’re far from that.

Can they offer him wins? Uhhh… hm. Well…

So how about money?

Look. He’s not getting 10. That’s just a jumping off point.

Like I said before, a starting price of 10 lets Danny know not to hit him with an offer in the 7s. He knows he’s not worth that. Look at the Reinhart and Guentzel deals. He’d probably be more than happy with 9, but his value is more in the 8s.

My guess is that they’re trying to get high 8s instead of low 8s, but hey maybe Philly goes 9 and they get lucky.

I could be wrong, and Philly coulda also screw it all up (always that chance), but that’s how I read it. They’re starting high as all negotiators do.

None of that is true. Under the CBA, he will be a pending UFA. That means he has the right to control his contract. How is that not good ethics when the team has had complete control over him for 7 accrued seasons? NHL players routinely go into their final season unsigned. It's completely ethical.
- MJL

My point was, we shouldn’t be at this point. Since, as you say, the Flyers had complete control for 7 years, they obviously didn’t do anything to screw TK. They treated him fairly. Now they want to resign him at a fair number, his camp is holding this up.

One thing we can agree on, is trying to trade him in the current circumstances.

Yeah. That’s what I’ve been reading also. I don’t know what the Flyers think of him or Zeev. All I know is that they traded back to gain another pick and then choose Luchanko. Brier said they had the two players ranked close and that one was similar to some players/prospects that they already had. So they went for need.
- peesinwind

Agents aren’t paid to play by ethics. If an “ethical” deal is ever struck, it’s at the behest of the player to just take it because they’re happy there.

I love the Flyers. I do. What have they done or what can they offer for him to not seek out the biggest slice he can grab? It’s not like he’s some life long Philadelphian. Like every other player, they wanna win and they want to get paid.

Can they offer him wins? Uhhh… hm. Well…

So how about money?

Look. He’s not getting 10. That’s just a jumping off point.

Like I said before, a starting price of 10 lets Danny know not to hit him with an offer in the 7s. He knows he’s not worth that. Look at the Reinhart and Guentzel deals. He’d probably be more than happy with 9, but his value is more in the 8s.

My guess is that they’re trying to get high 8s instead of low 8s, but hey maybe Philly goes 9 and they get lucky.

I could be wrong, and Philly coulda also screw it all up (always that chance), but that’s how I read it. They’re starting high as all negotiators do.
- Hesh_

But since they pay 1 mil $ players, 1.5 to 1.7, the difference between 8 and 8.75 becomes an issue. Thats an issue with the Flyers, that causes other consequences. That being said, your estimation of numbers makes sense.