In NHL history, there have been tons of players who scored at a very high level in juniors that did not translate to the NHL.
- MJL

That True. No debating that.

My point was, we shouldn’t be at this point. Since, as you say, the Flyers had complete control for 7 years, they obviously didn’t do anything to screw TK. They treated him fairly. Now they want to resign him at a fair number, his camp is holding this up.

One thing we can agree on, is trying to trade him in the current circumstances.
- Hokeeguy9

You keep dancing all over the place. First you post " to a point, aren’t playing “the game” with any ethics and then " one party has unfairly screwed this up". Nothing that is going on is unusual or unethical or unfair. It's simply a contract negotiation.

Does anyone have any hope the flyers can develop the jett into a #1 center?

My point was, we shouldn’t be at this point. Since, as you say, the Flyers had complete control for 7 years, they obviously didn’t do anything to screw TK. They treated him fairly. Now they want to resign him at a fair number, his camp is holding this up.

One thing we can agree on, is trying to trade him in the current circumstances.
- Hokeeguy9

yeah, but think about this for a second. Let’s say you want 9 in his camp, but you’d take 8.5-8.75. Do you start with 9? Nah. Of course not. They will come back, and there goes your wiggle room.

Now you’re just hoping the Flyers say “Sure! Sounds good.” Not likely. They’ll probably hit you at high 7s and now you’re negotiating for less. This says “don’t bother me with 7s.”

And he shouldn’t, because he can get 8s no problem. Now whether that’s best for us or not, well that’s another discussion.

You want what you’re worth, just like with your job. Now what you’re worth and what your value are aren’t necessarily the same figure. That’s the whole thing about free agency.

You’re worth what someone will pay you.

These guys have the added advantage of being more difficult to replace as professional athletes. Lot easier for a business to replace an engineer, teacher, laborer, etc than it is to replace a pro like TK.

My thoughts on that are that with how Buium was projected, if Briere truly believed that. We're in trouble because his player evaluation skills suck.
- MJL

😳

FIX THIS FUUCKING SITE

I’m not turning on him. I really like TK, but his agent, and he, to a point, aren’t playing “the game” with any ethics. A good negotiation is when both sides feel like they got something, and can walk away satisfied. Since the signing or trade has gotten to this point in the summer, it doesn’t say good faith. One party has unfairly screwed this up. Not pointing fingers, but we shouldn’t be here at this point. Perception often dictates reality.
- Hokeeguy9

The Flyers already got the better part of TK's scoring prime at a bargain price. They should already feel pretty satisfied. They already got a lot out of TK.

Now if TK wants thinks it's time for him to get some satisfaction, who can blame him?

And it's certainly not unethical to negotiate hard. You know the Flyers will be doing the same.

Does anyone have any hope the flyers can develop the jett into a #1 center?
- hello it's me 2050

He could be a surefire #1 and they would still find some way to "develop" him into a #3.

He could be a surefire #1 and they would still find some way to "develop" him into a #3.
- Tomahawk

that is a fair criticism. They do not seem to play to one's strengths. They do the opposite.

My thoughts on that are that with how Buium was projected, if Briere truly believed that. We're in trouble because his player evaluation skills suck.
- MJL

Agree.

I still don't understand the reasoning for passing. Buium could be superior to Andrae, York and Drsydale. In that case, then I would move one of the others if I felt I had too many of a certain type of defender.

Agree.

I still don't understand the reasoning for passing. Buium could be superior to Andrae, York and Drsydale. In that case, then I would move one of the others if I felt I had too many of a certain type of defender.
- J35Bacher

Especially Andrae, even mentioning him in the same breath was playing us for fools IMO.

I am starting to think DBs and Jone's plan is to build a contending team using the Vegas model, trade first round picks for players and use cap space on free agents. That is the only reason a team would entertain extending TK and Hathaway, because they feel they have a plan to get to contending status quicker that just building through the draft. That is why DB is not trading veterans and trying to get into the top 10 or even top 5 of this draft. I wouldn't doubt if the plan is to do everything possible to make a deep playoff run as a send off to Torts, who would be in the last year on his contract in 2025-26.

Agree.

I still don't understand the reasoning for passing. Buium could be superior to Andrae, York and Drsydale. In that case, then I would move one of the others if I felt I had too many of a certain type of defender.
- J35Bacher

Buium would take 3+ years to develop. I don't think the Flyers want to wait that long.

I am starting to think DBs and Jone's plan is to build a contending team using the Vegas model, trade first round picks for players and use cap space on free agents. That is the only reason a team would entertain extending TK and Hathaway, because they feel they have a plan to get to contending status quicker that just building through the draft. That is why DB is not trading veterans and trying to get into the top 10 or even top 5 of this draft. I wouldn't doubt if the plan is to do everything possible to make a deep playoff run as a send off to Torts, who would be in the last year on his contract in 2025-26.
- jd250

a sendoff? ext coming next summer.

they are so phucking far away from contending I hope that is the plan as would be entertaining. also not the only reason. just pure incompetence. they have no plan. that is clear as day.

So your off the rebuild wagon?

Buium would take 3+ years to develop. I don't think the Flyers want to wait that long.
- jd250

And he would still be here before Andrae.

My belief is he will turn pro after this season. I think he is pretty close to stepping in.

I am starting to think DBs and Jone's plan is to build a contending team using the Vegas model, trade first round picks for players and use cap space on free agents. That is the only reason a team would entertain extending TK and Hathaway, because they feel they have a plan to get to contending status quicker that just building through the draft. That is why DB is not trading veterans and trying to get into the top 10 or even top 5 of this draft. I wouldn't doubt if the plan is to do everything possible to make a deep playoff run as a send off to Torts, who would be in the last year on his contract in 2025-26.
- jd250

Who gives a (frank) about that donkey.

Can we stop worrying about being the nice team to every Tom, Richard and Harry and build a winner. I want us to be cutthroat, make the tough decisions and build something to see in a cup finals and a constant playoff threat.

a sendoff? ext coming next summer.

they are so phucking far away from contending I hope that is the plan as would be entertaining. also not the only reason. just pure incompetence. they have no plan. that is clear as day.

So your off the rebuild wagon?
- hello it's me 2050

Like I said, I don't see how a team rebuilds with the 16th, 23rd and 27th picks in the draft. If you want to rebuild and get potential elite talent, you tank at the right time and draft that talent. The Flyers don't seem to have any intention of doing that, so the only other alternative I could think of is to trade and sign their way to contending status. Good luck with that! Been there, done that, not the approach I would choose. My favorite Flyers team was the 80s teams that were built through the draft and then augmented by smart trades and signings. I still believe this is the best way to do it.

Buium would take 3+ years to develop. I don't think the Flyers want to wait that long.
- jd250

Nothing personal, but we are ok waiting that long for Luchanko, and whatever picks they get from 2025?

And he would still be here before Andrae.

My belief is he will turn pro after this season. I think he is pretty close to stepping in.
- J35Bacher

If Andrae isn't playing for the Flyers this year, I wuld consider him not a factor in the rebuild. I do not believe Andrea was the reason the Flyers didn't draft Buium. They had shot at it and two players to choose from, Buium and Luchenko; they picked Luchenko.

Agree.

I still don't understand the reasoning for passing. Buium could be superior to Andrae, York and Drsydale. In that case, then I would move one of the others if I felt I had too many of a certain type of defender.
- J35Bacher

or we could draft a guy we like? and not create a bad log jam that stunts development?

Nothing personal, but we are ok waiting that long for Luchanko, and whatever picks they get from 2025?
- flyer_nutter

forwards historically develop faster than defenseman, unless the defenseman is named Makar.

Like I said, I don't see how a team rebuilds with the 16th, 23rd and 27th picks in the draft. If you want to rebuild and get potential elite talent, you tank at the right time and draft that talent. The Flyers don't seem to have any intention of doing that, so the only other alternative I could think of is to trade and sign their way to contending status. Good luck with that! Been there, done that, not the approach I would choose. My favorite Flyers team was the 80s teams that were built through the draft and then augmented by smart trades and signings. I still believe this is the best way to do it.
- jd250

any thoughts on the kolosov situation and him potentially not coming over?

I am starting to think DBs and Jone's plan is to build a contending team using the Vegas model, trade first round picks for players and use cap space on free agents. That is the only reason a team would entertain extending TK and Hathaway, because they feel they have a plan to get to contending status quicker that just building through the draft. That is why DB is not trading veterans and trying to get into the top 10 or even top 5 of this draft. I wouldn't doubt if the plan is to do everything possible to make a deep playoff run as a send off to Torts, who would be in the last year on his contract in 2025-26.
- jd250

Oh brother! The Vegas model includes getting some really good players in an expansion draft. Finding a legit #1 center that a team is willing to trade. Signing a top UFA #1 defenseman. Making a trade for a top Selke level two way winger. On and on.

They aren't trying to use the Vegas method. They're using the Flyers method . The same method that has failed over and over and over for well over a decade or longer.

Buium would take 3+ years to develop. I don't think the Flyers want to wait that long.
- jd250

Luchanko though, who just turned 18, he has a chance to make the team in 25/26 according to you. Can't make it up.

If Andrae isn't playing for the Flyers this year, I wuld consider him not a factor in the rebuild. I do not believe Andrea was the reason the Flyers didn't draft Buium. They had shot at it and two players to choose from, Buium and Luchenko; they picked Luchenko.
- jd250

Andrae was mentioned by the GM as part of the reason why. They think he is so good, that he won't make the team this upcoming season.