We talk about this like it is super hard. But really it is not that hard of a plan.

- Move Konecny and Laughton to gain more assets

- Put team in position to draft in top 5 for 2025 and 2026 where there are top centers who could be top line guys.( Hagens and McKenna)

- Do not tie up money into any long term deals right now

- If you do move Farabee or Frost it needs to be a good hockey trade, not just a trade for the sake of a trade

- Listen on pretty much everyone but Michkov.

- At TDL reevaluate team and look to see what assets could be guys to bring more assets or pieces.

I really don't think it is that hard. Just takes the right person to execute it. With all the picks, if they could gain maybe some prospects or young close to NHL players, this team could reshape their core and start to look like a team with promise.
- J35Bacher

We do not talk about it like it’s hard. It’s incredibly easy to tear a team down. The organization just refuses to do it.

I said Briere had experienced the pre-cap NHL as a player so he knew how things were done before the cap and even then most of his post-cap experience was with Paul Holmgren who spent like a drunken sailor.

I could even suggest that life under Paul Holmgren was his biggest exposure to the salary cap and the "Flyers way" followed by Chuck Fletcher. Who are Danny's positive influences?
I really wanted to respond to you man and I appreciate how you've said everything but I just found out maybe

Trotz has continuously been a coach or GM of multiple teams since the salary cap started. He's the last person you want to compare to the Flyers front office.

Keith Jones - 0 years coaching, 0 years front office exp, 0 desire to be in the front office.
Briere - 1 year of special assistant to Chuck Fletcher. The Flyers wouldn't let Briere near even the phantoms before promoting him to Chuck's gopher.

Can you not see the difference? How messed up this is? Hire people who come from successful franchises. The Flyers look for mainly alumni.
- Flyers_01

I told copelal that his/her rant wasn't really that long, comparatively speaking

Branding and marketing are Comcast's core competency. That makes them money. That's what they are good at and have some of the best people in those fields (who are not Flyers alumni). Makes sense that's what they would lean into.

Nobody at Comcast get's fired or misses a bonus if the Flyers don't win the Stanley cup. I doubt it's even a line item on an agenda in a meeting. Unless someone in corp is a hockey fan all that matters is the ink at the bottom red or black.

Briere even came out after the deadline and said his personal focus was on making the playoffs.

The Flyers are already bargain bin. They are overpaying 3rd pairing d and 4th line 30+ players to be their core.
- Flyers_01

Comcast really isn't the issue. They provide the Flyers with all the financial and infrastructure resources that they need to build a contending level team. They'd likely even provide more if the team asked for it and could justify it. The issue is how the team management uses and implements those resources. Keith Jones came in and spewed the same old talking points that the Flyers have always had. The same approach. Old school POHO, old school coach and a GM that doesn't seem to have any mainstream modern ideas or doesn't have the power to implement it. To top it all off, a top team exec in Hilferty whose main selling point is how beautifully they all work together. This teams core philosophies and how they are run, and how they believe a team is built, is the issue. Not comcast. As long as the team is competitive and they aren't a financial black hole, they aren't going to care about winning. Nor should they. They answer to the share holders.

We talk about this like it is super hard. But really it is not that hard of a plan.

- Move Konecny and Laughton to gain more assets

- Put team in position to draft in top 5 for 2025 and 2026 where there are top centers who could be top line guys.( Hagens and McKenna)

- Do not tie up money into any long term deals right now

- If you do move Farabee or Frost it needs to be a good hockey trade, not just a trade for the sake of a trade

- Listen on pretty much everyone but Michkov.

- At TDL reevaluate team and look to see what assets could be guys to bring more assets or pieces.

I really don't think it is that hard. Just takes the right person to execute it. With all the picks, if they could gain maybe some prospects or young close to NHL players, this team could reshape their core and start to look like a team with promise.
- J35Bacher

it isnt hard.in fact it is very simple. it just isn't the flyers "way". A way which is a total failure. pure incompetence.

Not even the right person to execute it. Just a competent one.

2 guys in the next 2 drafts who are that elite level you need. a smart team does everything they can to put themselves in the best spot to draft those 2. be funny as hell if pitt bottoms pout and get son of them.....

Yardbarker put out this offensive lineup to start the season.

Foerster-Couts-Michkov
Tippet-Frost-TK
Farabee-Laughton-Brink
Cates-Poehling-Hathaway

Deslaurier-healthy scratch

Looks like the same crud from last season, but with the addition of Michkov.

Yardbarker put out this offensive lineup to start the season.

Foerster-Couts-Michkov
Tippet-Frost-TK
Farabee-Laughton-Brink
Cates-Poehling-Hathaway

Deslaurier-healthy scratch

Looks like the same crud from last season, but with the addition of Michkov.
- Thors-Hammer

That is all this team is..run out the same guys and hope for a different result, instead of tackling the real issues.

They need to be honest with themselves and the timeline before being able to get back to contender status and they won't do that.
- Flyers_01

I’m not defending the organization as much as, I’m asking what they can and cannot say. The Flyers from a low bar standard had a good season last season. Now as much as we know as fans that they’ve overachieved, can the organization rule out overachieving again, while knowing we need certain players to take big steps (Frost, Farabee, Tippett).

I am curious to know what Chicago openly sells to their fans and tells the league as they shamelessly lose games each season. “Well, we’re just gonna bottom out for top 3 draft picks each season until we feel we’re good enough to contend again”. Can a general manager get on to a microphone and say this? Can an organization tell the world that they’re losing on purpose? This isn’t me saying the Flyers are still trying to win. It looks like they are, when they should be having a fire sale. I’m just saying, shouldn’t organizations be careful as to what they admit to?

Comcast really isn't the issue. They provide the Flyers with all the financial and infrastructure resources that they need to build a contending level team. They'd likely even provide more if the team asked for it and could justify it. The issue is how the team management uses and implements those resources. Keith Jones came in and spewed the same old talking points that the Flyers have always had. The same approach. Old school POHO, old school coach and a GM that doesn't seem to have any mainstream modern ideas or doesn't have the power to implement it. To top it all off, a top team exec in Hilferty whose main selling point is how beautifully they all work together. This teams core philosophies and how they are run, and how they believe a team is built, is the issue. Not comcast. As long as the team is competitive and they aren't a financial black hole, they aren't going to care about winning. Nor should they. They answer to the share holders.
- MJL

If Comcast doesn't care why should the people they hire care? They answer to Comcast not the fans.

What incentive does Comcast have in hiring a legitimate front office outside of the short term goal of not losing money in the current year?

They had a PR crisis so they hired a PR front office to deal with it.

I’m not defending the organization as much as, I’m asking what they can and cannot say. The Flyers from a low bar standard had a good season last season. Now as much as we know as fans that they’ve overachieved, can the organization rule out overachieving again, while knowing we need certain players to take big steps (Frost, Farabee, Tippett).

I am curious to know what Chicago openly sells to their fans and tells the league as they shamelessly lose games each season. “Well, we’re just gonna bottom out for top 3 draft picks each season until we feel we’re good enough to contend again”. Can a general manager get on to a microphone and say this? Can an organization tell the world that they’re losing on purpose? This isn’t me saying the Flyers are still trying to win. It looks like they are, when they should be having a fire sale. I’m just saying, shouldn’t organizations be careful as to what they admit to?
- roenick97

https://www.sportsbusines...-Work-TV-commercials.aspx

She added, "Fans have confused the rebuild with, we want to lose. So we were hopeful in the marketing campaign that we could be clear that rebuilding in no way means we’re showing up to lose a game.” The campaign was “born out of summertime meetings with season-ticket holders, who predominantly asked about the state of the team.” Agrest wrote the answer “is clear,” and Faulkner “isn’t concerned that the Hawks are talking too much about it”

The Blackhawks have open an honest about it. They leaned into communicating the plan with the season ticket holders. Refreshing. And now they have some of the most exciting young talent in the league to look forward to for the next 10-15 years.

There is no doubt that they won't do that. The question is really why won't they.
- MJL

I think the fact that they extended Hathaway tells me they believe the timeline is a lot closer than we think. If they extend TK, that has to be even more proof, because honestly why would you extend TK if you thought the timeline to contention was 5+ years away. And given they have done nothing to assure they at least semi-tank this season to get a top player in this draft, my only conclusion is they believe they can trade and sign their way to contention, so essentially the Vegas model.

Yardbarker put out this offensive lineup to start the season.

Foerster-Couts-Michkov
Tippet-Frost-TK
Farabee-Laughton-Brink
Cates-Poehling-Hathaway

Deslaurier-healthy scratch

Looks like the same crud from last season, but with the addition of Michkov.
- Thors-Hammer

Really expensive 2nd line if the Flyers extend TK, something like $17M!?! Would not make sense.

Comcast really isn't the issue. They provide the Flyers with all the financial and infrastructure resources that they need to build a contending level team. They'd likely even provide more if the team asked for it and could justify it. The issue is how the team management uses and implements those resources. Keith Jones came in and spewed the same old talking points that the Flyers have always had. The same approach. Old school POHO, old school coach and a GM that doesn't seem to have any mainstream modern ideas or doesn't have the power to implement it. To top it all off, a top team exec in Hilferty whose main selling point is how beautifully they all work together. This teams core philosophies and how they are run, and how they believe a team is built, is the issue. Not comcast. As long as the team is competitive and they aren't a financial black hole, they aren't going to care about winning. Nor should they. They answer to the share holders.
- MJL

Comcast isn't THE issue but they are a part of it. Jones and Briere didn't hire themselves. Nor did Fletcher.

We talk about this like it is super hard. But really it is not that hard of a plan.

- Move Konecny and Laughton to gain more assets

- Put team in position to draft in top 5 for 2025 and 2026 where there are top centers who could be top line guys.( Hagens and McKenna)

- Do not tie up money into any long term deals right now

- If you do move Farabee or Frost it needs to be a good hockey trade, not just a trade for the sake of a trade

- Listen on pretty much everyone but Michkov.

- At TDL reevaluate team and look to see what assets could be guys to bring more assets or pieces.

I really don't think it is that hard. Just takes the right person to execute it. With all the picks, if they could gain maybe some prospects or young close to NHL players, this team could reshape their core and start to look like a team with promise.
- J35Bacher

this is what a rebuilding team would do if they wanted to build through the draft. Based on the evidence so far, I don't think that is what the Flyers plan to do. I think they want to build the Vegas way, trading picks and signing free agents.

I think the fact that they extended Hathaway tells me they believe the timeline is a lot closer than we think. If they extend TK, that has to be even more proof, because honestly why would you extend TK if you thought the timeline to contention was 5+ years away. And given they have done nothing to assure they at least semi-tank this season to get a top player in this draft, my only conclusion is they believe they can trade and sign their way to contention, so essentially the Vegas model.
- jd250

then they really are dumb phucks.

Really expensive 2nd line if the Flyers extend TK, something like $17M!?! Would not make sense.
- jd250

frost also will need a new contract and raise.

this is what a rebuilding team would do if they wanted to build through the draft. Based on the evidence so far, I don't think that is what the Flyers plan to do. I think they want to build the Vegas way, trading picks and signing free agents.
- jd250

Well if that is what you think then they are really stupid.

Vegas was born out of an expansion draft that garnered them so exceptional deals to take players for picks.

Look how different the Seattle draft was because teams learned their lesson.

The Vegas model is not a model the Flyers can use.

this is what a rebuilding team would do if they wanted to build through the draft. Based on the evidence so far, I don't think that is what the Flyers plan to do. I think they want to build the Vegas way, trading picks and signing free agents.
- jd250

https://vegashockeynow.co...ls-built-expansion-draft/

There will never be another Vegas because they were built during a unique expansion draft and everything after flows from that. Multiple GMs should've been fired.

https://vegashockeynow.co...ls-built-expansion-draft/

There will never be another Vegas because they were built during a unique expansion draft and everything after flows from that. Multiple GMs should've been fired.
- Flyers_01

flyers also are enamored with the blues "model" or at least they were

flyers also are enored with the blues "model" or at least they were
- hello it's me 2050

I am kind of surprised that Briere didn't try to go his own way. Like when Zito went to Florida. Zito made some tough moves and built that team in a model he wanted. You would think, if it fails or not, you would build the team in your own eyes. Put your own stake on it and go from there.

Instead he's been kind of like Hextall in trying to straddle the line again and still following a previous failed plan

flyers also are enored with the blues "model" or at least they were
- hello it's me 2050

Hire "Chief" as the coach of a last place team midseason and watch the goalie catch lightning in a bottle and then 2 years later back to 15th place in the league?

That's a lot to put on a midseason coaching hire but they should give it a shot this year. I'm in favor of anything that get's rid of Torts w/o him getting promoted to the front office.

I am kind of surprised that Briere didn't try to go his own way. Like when Zito went to Florida. Zito made some tough moves and built that team in a model he wanted. You would think, if it fails or not, you would build the team in your own eyes. Put your own stake on it and go from there.

Instead he's been kind of like Hextall in trying to straddle the line again and still following a previous failed plan
- J35Bacher

danny boy is a whussy. looks like a scared dog pretty much every time he talks.

If Comcast doesn't care why should the people they hire care? They answer to Comcast not the fans.

What incentive does Comcast have in hiring a legitimate front office outside of the short term goal of not losing money in the current year?

They had a PR crisis so they hired a PR front office to deal with it.
- Flyers_01

That's an easy answer. Comcast people are business people. Their mission is to make a profit and increase value for the share holders. The hockey people, Jones and Briere are just that. Hockey people. Their mission is to build a contending hockey team.

I think the fact that they extended Hathaway tells me they believe the timeline is a lot closer than we think. If they extend TK, that has to be even more proof, because honestly why would you extend TK if you thought the timeline to contention was 5+ years away. And given they have done nothing to assure they at least semi-tank this season to get a top player in this draft, my only conclusion is they believe they can trade and sign their way to contention, so essentially the Vegas model.
- jd250

You have repeatedly stated that it can be done in 2-3 years. You keep talking about the Vegas model. It's clear that you don't know what their model was. It is impossible for the Flyers to build with the Vegas method.

Yardbarker put out this offensive lineup to start the season.

Foerster-Couts-Michkov
Tippet-Frost-TK
Farabee-Laughton-Brink
Cates-Poehling-Hathaway

Deslaurier-healthy scratch

Looks like the same crud from last season, but with the addition of Michkov.
- Thors-Hammer

Pick 12 here we come! But this is a rebuild and elite talent falls off of trees at 12, 25 and 32

I think the fact that they extended Hathaway tells me they believe the timeline is a lot closer than we think. If they extend TK, that has to be even more proof, because honestly why would you extend TK if you thought the timeline to contention was 5+ years away. And given they have done nothing to assure they at least semi-tank this season to get a top player in this draft, my only conclusion is they believe they can trade and sign their way to contention, so essentially the Vegas model.
- jd250

Problems with that:
A) Vegas is aggressive and Flyers are not
B) Vegas has incredible talent and the Flyers do not
C) Vegas knows how to work the cap, Flyers have NEVER understood it
D) Taking that approach would expose the rebuild for the lie that it is