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Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Jul 23 @ 1:42 PM ET
Ah yes, spent 6 days last week camping at Awenda with the family.
Back to work for two days this week and then off to St John's , Newfoundland for some kayaking and hiking.

Anyone know of any good seafood restaurants in St John's?
Hopefully some smaller places

I see Mallard cottage, clinched, merchant tavern, and fish exchange all seem popular.

- Fakepartofme

I tour NFLD with our East sales rep every 3 or 4 years. Last time there we ate at the Mallard 3 of 4 nights. It was excellent. They made their own bread. So good I had to take a loaf home with me. Great atmosphere. Great service. Great food. It was busy, so make reservations if you go.
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 23 @ 1:48 PM ET
Not my suggestion

Keller Marino McBain Bjugstad
for
Marner Liljegren Timmins Kampf Hirvonen Peksa Villeneuve

Seems bad
https://heavy.com/sports/...ch-marner-clayton-keller/

- mr.sir


gross
Zezel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: God Leafs Satan The Oneness, ON
Joined: 02.28.2011

Jul 23 @ 1:51 PM ET
Not my suggestion

Keller Marino McBain Bjugstad
for
Marner Liljegren Timmins Kampf Hirvonen Peksa Villeneuve

Seems bad
https://heavy.com/sports/...ch-marner-clayton-keller/

- mr.sir


barf
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Jul 23 @ 1:59 PM ET
Not my suggestion

Keller Marino McBain Bjugstad
for
Marner Liljegren Timmins Kampf Hirvonen Peksa Villeneuve

Seems bad
https://heavy.com/sports/...ch-marner-clayton-keller/

- mr.sir

I have no idea who half these guys are, but I salute anyone who proposes a 4 for 7 trade.

One team would probably have to throw in a 4th rounder - that's always the key to these deals.
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 23 @ 2:03 PM ET
I have no idea who half these guys are, but I salute anyone who proposes a 4 for 7 trade.

One team would probably have to throw in a 4th rounder - that's always the key to these deals.

- Atomic Wedgie


feels like a Doug Gilmour trade..except this time the leafs are giving up the Dougie
Cush29
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Who Owzzzzz da' Chiefs?, ON
Joined: 12.22.2014

Jul 23 @ 2:06 PM ET
Not my suggestion

Keller Marino McBain Bjugstad
for
Marner Liljegren Timmins Kampf Hirvonen Peksa Villeneuve

Seems bad
https://heavy.com/sports/...ch-marner-clayton-keller/

- mr.sir


Wowza - hard no from a Leaf perspective, it's not like Marner is a cancer to the team, not liked (for the most part) or coming off an absolutely horrific series of seasons...yes a down season somewhat but still.

Anyone feeling too happy and need to be brought down a peg? This came up on my facebook memories today.

I was sitting in Real Sports bar having a nice cold beer and saw this on the big screen outside the ACC and was super excited and convinced this was the beginning of the Leafs journey to win the cup.

July 23rd, 2015.....




dmnted
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Rented to Bruce Banner ;)
Joined: 08.30.2006

Jul 23 @ 2:27 PM ET
Not a golfer.
Just gonna eat, drink, kayak and hike.......and do a little sleeping.

- Fakepartofme

hope you brush up on your Newfie talk b'y
gravyface
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I wouldn't even trade [Marner] for McDavid -- UsernameUnknown
Joined: 02.19.2009

Jul 23 @ 2:33 PM ET
NEWS!!!!!!!


Kyle Cushman
@Kyle_Cush

1m
1 year, $1.18M for Dewar

.HOHO.
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Its better to let people think you're an idiot, than to open your mouth and confirm their suspicions, NS
Joined: 07.05.2010

Jul 23 @ 2:37 PM ET
NEWS!!!!!!!


Kyle Cushman
@Kyle_Cush

1m
1 year, $1.18M for Dewar

- gravyface


馃憤馃徎
Cush29
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Who Owzzzzz da' Chiefs?, ON
Joined: 12.22.2014

Jul 23 @ 2:37 PM ET
NEWS!!!!!!!


Kyle Cushman
@Kyle_Cush

1m
1 year, $1.18M for Dewar

- gravyface


Nice
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Jul 23 @ 2:38 PM ET
I have no idea who half these guys are, but I salute anyone who proposes a 4 for 7 trade.

One team would probably have to throw in a 4th rounder - that's always the key to these deals.

- Atomic Wedgie


It's a weird concept.

Marner is better than Keller but not so drastically that you'd consider that in and of itself a terrible swap with a small inclusion on Utah's side.

Marino is better than Liljegren and a true top-4 RHD. Not drastically better and still not physical enough to change the complexion of our D grouping. I, personallyu, like Bjugstad way more than Kampf as a 2-way shutdown centre with some offensive upside - and Bjugstad is bigger, I believe. Bjugstad is a decent 3rd line centre.

I am not that knowledgeable about McBain. I know of him and he seems ok, but still a bottom-6 guy but he has size and can probably make a 4th line a little bigger and a fair bit meaner.

The Leafs would be giving up Marner. There's already lots of talk about moving on from Liljegren or Timmins and everyone is fine with moving Kampf. Hirvonen is undersized and lots of people want him moved. Peksa is the lowest of our signed goalies in the totem pole and Villeneuve isn't an NHL'er.

Frankly it's a proposal from a Leaf fan that rapes the Utah team of talent and leaves Marner with no support. I don't know why they didn't insist on Crouse in the deal.

And a 4th.
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 23 @ 2:53 PM ET
NEWS!!!!!!!


Kyle Cushman
@Kyle_Cush

1m
1 year, $1.18M for Dewar

- gravyface


I just instinctively started to type capfrie..... then got sad
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Jul 23 @ 2:53 PM ET
In their response to JT鈥檚 Notice of Appeal to the Tax Court, CRA made it clear that the inducement issue was central to their argument. They emphasized that the size of the signing bonus relative to his salary made it clear that it was really part of his salary and not an inducement to get him to sign.

https://www.canadian-acco...tent/practice/tavares-cra

- Chunga鈥檚 Revenge


Yup ..that's what I said. It's a tough issue b/c there is a significant history of the CRA not challenging it.

And JT isn't losing any sleep over this. He paid ~ 5.9M in taxes in the US in 2018 when he filed as a US resident and declared his bonus there. If CRA is correct then he should have paid 6.9M in Canada ....which would have entitled him to get his 5.9M back from the US. Factor in 1.2M in interest being claimed by CRA - that they may not get even if they do win ....and the "8M dollar dispute" is really $1M for JT.

Still big cheese but the bigger issue is how this might impact decisions by athletes ..especially if CRA also attacks the RCA's.
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Jul 23 @ 2:58 PM ET
It was a terrible argument for JT's agent to make.

There is absolutely nothing in the concept of an annual signing bonus that can be considered an inducement. If he had only received a signing bonus in year 1 it would make sense as a legal argument, but he didn't:

Year 1: his Signing bonus was $15,250,000 and Salary was $650,000
Year 2: his Signing bonus was $14,990,000 and Salary was $910,000
Year 3: his Signing bonus was $11,090,000 and Salary was $910,000
Year 4: his Signing bonus was $8,440,000 and Salary was $910,000
Year 5: his Signing bonus was $7,040,000 and Salary was $910,000
Year 6: his Signing bonus was $7,040,000 and Salary was $910,000
Year 7: his Signing bonus was $7,040,000 and Salary was $910,000

So if year 1 was an inducement to sign, why did he continue to receive Signing bonuses throughout? There is enough precedent in the NHL contractual structure to absolutely smush this argument before it starts. I'm surprised it would even make it to trial.

- Monkeypunk


Sports/athletes have been doing exactly what JT did for decades. Tax avoidance is not tax evasion. The ITA is full of vague language and empty space that accountants manuevre around ...just like JT's people did.

The issue for JT, and the others going through it right now is that CRA made a policy decision in 22' that emphasized closing loopholes for high wealth individuals. It was that same year that doctors, dentists, lawyers and other professionals screamed murder when the other JT and CRA altered the ITA and announced that they were going to take a hard run at high wealth tax "avoidance".

Tavares is probably voting Conservative next year.
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Jul 23 @ 3:01 PM ET
I think the gap with Dewar is pretty small? He'll probably get something around 1.2M

Steeves ...don't think he has arbitration rights? He shows up in camp and surprises or, more likely, he doesn't make the team and goes through waivers.

Robertson is what it is. Leafs value him so he can go out and find a trade that makes sense for the Leafs or he signs his QO and shows up ready to play.

- The Law


I was off by $20k ....that's less than what JT is paying his tax lawyers!
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I鈥檓 way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Jul 23 @ 3:04 PM ET
NEWS!!!!!!!


Kyle Cushman
@Kyle_Cush

1m
1 year, $1.18M for Dewar

- gravyface


A lot better than I thought it would be, I don鈥檛 mind that at all
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I鈥檓 way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Jul 23 @ 3:05 PM ET
I just instinctively started to type capfrie..... then got sad
- senstroll


Puckpedia is already showing it at least
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 23 @ 3:08 PM ET
Puckpedia is already showing it at least
- Dozzer


i know can use that. ..I just dont like it..so lose interest in bothering to check lol
mr.sir
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Joined: 01.18.2015

Jul 23 @ 3:11 PM ET
I have not been impressed by Dewar

Bit of a nothing burger
Would have preferred Blais for 4LW at league min
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Jul 23 @ 3:16 PM ET
Sports/athletes have been doing exactly what JT did for decades. Tax avoidance is not tax evasion. The ITA is full of vague language and empty space that accountants manuevre around ...just like JT's people did.

The issue for JT, and the others going through it right now is that CRA made a policy decision in 22' that emphasized closing loopholes for high wealth individuals. It was that same year that doctors, dentists, lawyers and other professionals screamed murder when the other JT and CRA altered the ITA and announced that they were going to take a hard run at high wealth tax "avoidance".

Tavares is probably voting Conservative next year.

- The Law


To me that's where the argument should be. The CRA made a policy decision in 2022. They don't get to go back and claim lost taxes from 2018 as a result of this policy change. It's like retroactively arresting someone or fining someone because laws changed and you know someone did something that's "now" against the law years prior. Policy isn't a time machine.

From the other side, going at this and saying that it was an inducement seems easily defeatable.

For the record I don't think it's tax evasion in any case. That all said, I am not a lawyer as I said, but I do question the position of the defense.
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Jul 23 @ 3:19 PM ET
I have not been impressed by Dewar

Bit of a nothing burger
Would have preferred Blais for 4LW at league min

- mr.sir


Last year Sammy Blais had 1 goal. In the past two years combined, he has 10 goals. In fact in the past 3 years combined he has 10 goals.

Last year Dewar scored 11 goals.

Dewar is smaller than Blais, but he showed in Minnesota that he'll hit and block shots more than he did in Toronto. Let's see if a new coach and some more direct style gets a bit more out of the bottom-6.
Mike Augello
Commissioner
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 06.25.2006

Jul 23 @ 3:21 PM ET
new blog everyone
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Jul 23 @ 4:54 PM ET
To me that's where the argument should be. The CRA made a policy decision in 2022. They don't get to go back and claim lost taxes from 2018 as a result of this policy change. It's like retroactively arresting someone or fining someone because laws changed and you know someone did something that's "now" against the law years prior. Policy isn't a time machine.

From the other side, going at this and saying that it was an inducement seems easily defeatable.

For the record I don't think it's tax evasion in any case. That all said, I am not a lawyer as I said, but I do question the position of the defense.

- Monkeypunk


Tax law is a quagmire at the best of times ...constantly changing. CRA puts out "informations" and new interpretations all year long b/c they basically spend most of their time responding to ingenious tax planning (tax avoidance) by accountants and lawyers. It's impossible to stay out in front ..it's a constant game of sheepdog v. the coyote.

I'm not a a tax lawyer so I won't guess which way it might go but I do know that with sports salaries increasing the tax imbalances are an increasing issue.

Rare_Jewel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 05.31.2021

Jul 23 @ 6:25 PM ET
Ya...no. Lilyjegren should be out. He sucks.

McCabe stays.

- underhill14


I agree, Liljegren sucks. However, they signed him. He's stuck here for now. Otherwise, I'd trade him too.

McCabe can be replaced by Benoit for a lower price.

You want to be paying McCabe 5+ AAV into his mid 30s? Because unless they trade him now, that's what's gonna happen.

Isn't Tanev enough for an older, physical, long term 2nd pair defensive D? Or we need 2 of those bad contracts?
Rare_Jewel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 05.31.2021

Jul 23 @ 6:26 PM ET
Leafs should have some Marlies players close to be playing on the Leafs D

Webber could be an excellent surprise. We don't know until he plays.

For me, that would be a no go for Shattenkirk and Bortuzzo

- dmnted


If the Leafs have prospects ready to make a difference in the NHL, great.

But I doubt they do.

You can afford to sign Shattenkrik and Bortuzzo for basically less than 1 million each.

If younger guys outplay them, you replace them and it costs you next to nothing.

I'd rather have experienced players signed in low expectation roles.
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