He was terrible for the Wild last year
- LAHawk

Gustafson was the hot goaltender prospect who was going to force Fluery out. Don’t know why he was terrible last year and I don’t know if he remains highly regarded

Ahh I'm gonna enjoy watching Stan destroy the oilers.
- SaskHawkFan

Bowman has been officially hired by the oilers. This should be interesting

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/ed...gm-executive-vp-1.2152538

Ahh I'm gonna enjoy watching Stan destroy the oilers.
- SaskHawkFan

Stan knew how to keep the core intact and build two more Cup winners. Afterwards his management skill was all about maintaining a competitive team while rebuilding with astute drafting

He paid Seabrook and Toews too much for too long as they were already breaking down. To compound matters his draft choices of Boqvist and Dach didn’t pan out

So objective reporting of his success as a GM is a mixed bag. I do think that he has a plan or intention for the Oilers which is not the same exact reliance upon the offense and hope the defense and goaltending will suffice. Anyone should realize the Oilers need to add a solid dman and subtract either Ceci or Nurse. Hopefully Eckholm doesn’t loose anything as he is getting older with lots of wear and tear. As for their goaltending just recall how Detroit won with Osgood. So goaltending is a secondary wish to improve while improving the blueline crew should be Bowman’s major surgery for the Oilers

Bowman has been officially hired by the oilers. This should be interesting

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/ed...gm-executive-vp-1.2152538
- wizardofi

He didn’t do a bad job in Chicago.

Bowman has been officially hired by the oilers. This should be interesting

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/ed...gm-executive-vp-1.2152538
- wizardofi

KD will have a good trading partner in Edmonton now. Jones for Bouchard?

KD will have a good trading partner in Edmonton now. Jones for Bouchard?
- DarthKane

As long as we don't have to take back Nurse

Our goaltending being ranked 27th seems about right TBH. Looking at the careers of the two guys we are going with, we don't have a true #1 goalie. Mrazek is a average 1b who occasionally struggles. Brossoit is typically a #2 or #3 guy at the NHL level with varying degrees of success.

Everyone loves to blame the D and claim that our goalies would be better with better D, and while the results slightly better, it's not going to be a night and day difference when it comes to things like SV%. Mrazek is middle of the pack when he is good and below average when he is not. Brossoit is a 31 year old with only 140 GP, who will probably get a good chance, but has not to this day managed to "take the reigns" with an NHL team.

They are both playing well right now, so we could have a better year in net, but overall, out goaltending is not that strong at the NHL level. We were pretty much 31st or 32nd in goaltending last year, and now we might be slightly better but probably only middle of the pack at the very best, but probably still below average.

Bowman has been officially hired by the oilers. This should be interesting

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/ed...gm-executive-vp-1.2152538
- wizardofi

It's going to be a hot topic in the short term, but people will forget to care about it as Edmonton will have another solid season and probably go deep in the playoffs again. Fans love to act like GM is a one man show and everything the organization does lies with them, but there are reasons why there are multiple people in hockey operations of an NHL team. Bowman helped the Hawks get over the hump and then steered the team to 3 cups. Fans like to claim he doesn't deserve any credit, but he big part of it.

Ahh I'm gonna enjoy watching Stan destroy the oilers.
- SaskHawkFan

Since it's official now, they gotta win in the next 2 years because Draisaitl, McDavid and Bouchard are going to get paid by Bowman.

Our goaltending being ranked 27th seems about right TBH. Looking at the careers of the two guys we are going with, we don't have a true #1 goalie. Mrazek is a average 1b who occasionally struggles. Brossoit is typically a #2 or #3 guy at the NHL level with varying degrees of success.

Everyone loves to blame the D and claim that our goalies would be better with better D, and while the results slightly better, it's not going to be a night and day difference when it comes to things like SV%. Mrazek is middle of the pack when he is good and below average when he is not. Brossoit is a 31 year old with only 140 GP, who will probably get a good chance, but has not to this day managed to "take the reigns" with an NHL team.

They are both playing well right now, so we could have a better year in net, but overall, out goaltending is not that strong at the NHL level. We were pretty much 31st or 32nd in goaltending last year, and now we might be slightly better but probably only middle of the pack at the very best, but probably still below average.
- breadbag

Hell i don't blame the d as much as the forwards, we played in our own end so much last year. The goal tending to me is middle of the road, you can win with them but you need a better supporting cast. If Mrazek feels confident he won't get hurt or won't be playing while having minor injuries, i think he'll be even better this year.

He didn’t do a bad job in Chicago.
- paulr

He was awful and did nothing to contribute to any of the Cups…as some would have it.

Had he played hockey at some level maybe he would’ve gotten more credit than some posters were willing to give but I think this objectively puts to rest the predictions of a number who post here that said he’d never sniff another GM job in the NHL.

He was awful and did nothing to contribute to any of the Cups…as some would have it.

Had he played hockey at some level maybe he would’ve gotten more credit than some posters were willing to give but I think this objectively puts to rest the predictions of a number who post here that said he’d never sniff another GM job in the NHL.
- HawkintheD

He did a great job up until the awful trade of Saad the first time, then it all went to poop after that, Danault, Hjalmarsson, Panarin....

He did a great job up until the awful trade of Saad the first time, then it all went to poop after that, Danault, Hjalmarsson, Panarin....
- BetweenTheDots

And the Seabrook signing >>>

But as far as Panarin, how would the Hawks be able to afford an $11 mil. contract for him with Toews and Kane still on the books? You would have the Toronto Edmonton situation. i think that was the reason why he was traded, just that the return of Saad did not pan out. And the idea that Panarin would of signed a home-town discount is laughable.

And the Seabrook signing >>>

But as far as Panarin, how would the Hawks be able to afford an $11 mil. contract for him with Toews and Kane still on the books? You would have the Toronto Edmonton situation. i think that was the reason why he was traded, just that the return of Saad did not pan out. And the idea that Panarin would of signed a home-town discount is laughable.
- LAHawk

Bowman also had a hard time evaluating defensemen. Other than Leddy and Oduya, they were mostly bad.

He did a great job up until the awful trade of Saad the first time, then it all went to poop after that, Danault, Hjalmarsson, Panarin....
- BetweenTheDots

The only one that was bad at the time and worse in hindsight was the Danault trade. That was straight up just a bad trade. I know you're not a Murphy guy and maybe they could've gotten more for Hammer but Hjalmarsson in 2017 was hardly the same guy he was from 2015.

Won't rehash them all and yes Stan's later years weren't good but I still think a lot of that was an overestimation by likely him and others in terms of how much the Core had left in the tank. Another contributing factor I'd identify was having a Core including more than 4-5 players. At some point you can't pay them all and we pretty much saw that on a yearly basis.

Just sticking it to some of the pundits here who said he'd never get another GM'ing job. Think the prediction went something like Q was always assured a coaching job (and he likely still will have one at some point soon) and Bowman would be lucky to get a job in another team's front office. Interesting how things worked out.

He did a great job up until the awful trade of Saad the first time, then it all went to poop after that, Danault, Hjalmarsson, Panarin....
- BetweenTheDots

IMO not all of those were bad trades.
He should have kept Danault (unless Danault was already indicating he wanted out).

Trading Hjalmarsson was fine, he had peaked and was starting to show his wear and tear.

Panarin, he should have gotten more in retrospect, but honestly at the time many fans were on board with the trade, especially considering the upcoming contract for Panarin and the need for the team to have more 2way forwards, rather continuing with the Kane-AA-Panarin dynamic that gave up almost as many goals at 5v5 as they scored.

And the Seabrook signing >>>

But as far as Panarin, how would the Hawks be able to afford an $11 mil. contract for him with Toews and Kane still on the books? You would have the Toronto Edmonton situation. i think that was the reason why he was traded, just that the return of Saad did not pan out. And the idea that Panarin would of signed a home-town discount is laughable.
- LAHawk

Very much, it was clear to most that Panarin was in it for the pay day over anything else.

The only one that was bad at the time and worse in hindsight was the Danault trade. That was straight up just a bad trade. I know you're not a Murphy guy and maybe they could've gotten more for Hammer but Hjalmarsson in 2017 was hardly the same guy he was from 2015.

Won't rehash them all and yes Stan's later years weren't good but I still think a lot of that was an overestimation by likely him and others in terms of how much the Core had left in the tank. Another contributing factor I'd identify was having a Core including more than 4-5 players. At some point you can't pay them all and we pretty much saw that on a yearly basis.

Just sticking it to some of the pundits here who said he'd never get another GM'ing job. Think the prediction went something like Q was always assured a coaching job (and he likely still will have one at some point soon) and Bowman would be lucky to get a job in another team's front office. Interesting how things worked out.
- HawkintheD

Plus the amnesia of no Bowman(s), no Hossa as Tallon really wanted to sign Havlat long term.

Also as far as trying to extend the window, do you think the Head of Hockey operations at the time would allow a retool let alone a rebuild to occur ?

Plus the amnesia of no Bowman(s), no Hossa as Tallon really wanted to sign Havlat long term.

Also as far as trying to extend the window, do you think the Head of Hockey operations at the time would allow a retool let alone a rebuild to occur
- LAHawk

I'm not in this forum too much these days, so maybe this is an unpopular opinion.. but I think the matching deals to 19 and 88 sunk this franchise since 2016. Its because of that, the constant drafting of smurf d-men, and the bean counter fixation on the value proposition of guys like Rundblad that I really hold him responsible for the plummeting...

Not to mention of course the Beach debacle, and IIFC, it was him that forgot to submit qualifying offers in 2010 and not Tallon...

I'll give you Hossa though...

Stan knew how to keep the core intact and build two more Cup winners. Afterwards his management skill was all about maintaining a competitive team while rebuilding with astute drafting

He paid Seabrook and Toews too much for too long as they were already breaking down. To compound matters his draft choices of Boqvist and Dach didn’t pan out

So objective reporting of his success as a GM is a mixed bag. I do think that he has a plan or intention for the Oilers which is not the same exact reliance upon the offense and hope the defense and goaltending will suffice. Anyone should realize the Oilers need to add a solid dman and subtract either Ceci or Nurse. Hopefully Eckholm doesn’t loose anything as he is getting older with lots of wear and tear. As for their goaltending just recall how Detroit won with Osgood. So goaltending is a secondary wish to improve while improving the blueline crew should be Bowman’s major surgery for the Oilers
- jhawk59

His daddy behind the scenes was making decisions for his son. Bowman didn't build anything only thing he did is dismantle a dynasty team.

I'm not in this forum too much these days, so maybe this is an unpopular opinion.. but I think the matching deals to 19 and 88 sunk this franchise since 2016. Its because of that, the constant drafting of smurf d-men, and the bean counter fixation on the value proposition of guys like Rundblad that I really hold him responsible for the plummeting...

Not to mention of course the Beach debacle, and IIFC, it was him that forgot to submit qualifying offers in 2010 and not Tallon...

I'll give you Hossa though...
- busmaster

Actually yours is probably the more popular opinion if we were tallying votes. Idk that those deals (19 and 88) sunk the franchise as much as a) Toews physically falling off a cliff and b) resigning Seabrook.

All three actually took less than what they could've gotten in FA, though Seabs arguably got more term than maybe others would've given.

People seem to forget that after that Cup win in 2015, most GM's around the league tabbed Toews as the guy they would build their franchise around over Sid.

2016 was the start of Toews decline and other than one bounce back year he was never really the same player. The wear and tear and eventually whatever his illness was (later on) was just too much.

To LA's point, I agree and think McDonough would've been dead set against trading pretty much any of the Core until they absolutely had to (see Sharp).

His daddy behind the scenes was making decisions for his son. Bowman didn't build anything only thing he did is dismantle a dynasty team.
- Scott1977

I do think as Scotty got older and more out of touch it affected Stans ability to GM. I believe the 2 are tied together, does he ever hire Q to coach this team I'm certain that was all Scotty.

Hell even the Teuvo trade was a really poor business decision.

Actually yours is probably the more popular opinion if we were tallying votes. Idk that those deals (19 and 88) sunk the franchise as much as a) Toews physically falling off a cliff and b) resigning Seabrook.

All three actually took less than what they could've gotten in FA, though Seabs arguable got more term than maybe others would've given.

People seem to forget that after that Cup win in 2015, most GM's around the league tabbed Toews as the guy they would build their franchise around over Sid.

2016 was the start of Toews decline and other than one bounce back year he was never really the same player. The wear and tear and eventually whatever his illness was (later on) was just too much.

To LA's point, I agree and think McDonough would've been dead set against trading pretty much any of the Core until they absolutely had to (see Sharp).
- HawkintheD

Or maybe they didn't want to repeat what happened to the Bulls when Krause decided to rebuild after 98?

His daddy behind the scenes was making decisions for his son. Bowman didn't build anything only thing he did is dismantle a dynasty team.
- Scott1977

So he gets no credit for drafting Saad, TT or Shaw, or trading for Oduya, Zus, Vermette, Desjardins or Leddy, signing guys like Rozy, Richards, Emery or Scott Darling. No credit then for 2013 or 2015 either huh?

No offense Scott but yours is also a very popular opinion albeit a bit of a shortsighted one. You're a big trade guy. Just curious if you were one of the people screaming for Bowman's head on here along with JJ and others, demanding Bowman trade anyone not named Toews after first round exits from the playoffs in '11 and '12?