Yeah, Krebs had real talent. He's gotten worse every year.

In Lindy we trussssss.
- QuinnFan

Hes gotten better i would say. At the cost of his real talent which was his playmaking ability.

If hes around hopefully they get him on his game this year. Instead of being a pesky 4th liner.

If you were willing to trade pick 9 of the 22 draft on draft day 2 years ago, you would have got a hell of a lot better return than mcleod for that pick, which is my point

bad asset management from this gm
- homiedclown

Maybe or maybe not, is there any information on what was offered for the 9th pick, or are we just assuming it would be much better. I agree that there is likely more value in trading the pick before selecting a player, versus trading the player you just picked because there is variation in how teams grade these kids. I still doubt your getting a young good top six player for 2022 pick 9. I could see you getting a top six player like Rhino who was looking like he may test free agency in a year, but I'm talking about a young player who's age and team control is similar to McLeod (would Zegras be that player?).

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At least there aren't a ton of examples.
- QuinnFan

Nylander in Toronto back six/seven(?) years ago?

Hes gotten better i would say. At the cost of his real talent which was his playmaking ability.

If hes around hopefully they get him on his game this year. Instead of being a pesky 4th liner.
- DirtyDan

He's gotten more pesty and maybe better defensively, but IMO, has fallen off in a big way offensively. You're spot on though, after his rookie season, they banished him to the bottom line where his playmaking ability was just not used. I mean no matter what you think of Girgs and Okposo, they certainly aren't booking it to the net front to receive a cross ice pass for a shot. They played bumper bowling style, everything occurred on the wall and puck control was the only aim.

He's gotten more pesty and maybe better defensively, but IMO, has fallen off in a big way offensively. You're spot on though, after his rookie season, they banished him to the bottom line where his playmaking ability was just not used. I mean no matter what you think of Girgs and Okposo, they certainly aren't booking it to the net front to receive a cross ice pass for a shot. They played bumper bowling style, everything occurred on the wall and puck control was the only aim.
- QuinnFan

His possession metrics have always been positive, relative higher than the teams every year.

Could work at 2LW with Cozens and Quinn.

Not sure there's too much difference between him and Ehlers as an example. WPG isn't getting the extension done so he's getting shopped. Savoie, Neuchev and a 2nd would've been a much better use of assets IMO and pretty similar value.
- QuinnFan

I agree. Need multiple prospects and/or picks to get nice things.

Nylander in Toronto back six/seven(?) years ago?
- IonSabres

I don't think Nylander was traded unless I'm just losing it (quite possible).

I agree. Need multiple prospects and/or picks to get nice things.
- BuffaloHerd

Neuchev and a 2nd are negligible to us at this point, so if that's the difference between Ehlers and McLeod, we (frank)ed up royally. Facts are that almost every year there are top6/top4 players traded for prospects/picks.

His possession metrics have always been positive, relative higher than the teams every year.

Could work at 2LW with Cozens and Quinn.
- DirtyDan

Think Benny is the more natural fit there, but I honestly wouldn't mind giving it a shot to see if we can't get more out of the kid.

I don't think Nylander was traded unless I'm just losing it (quite possible).
- QuinnFan

maybe meant the Kadri trade?

On July 1, 2019, Kadri was traded to the Colorado Avalanche with Calle Rosen and a 2020 third-round pick in exchange for Tyson Barrie, Alex Kerfoot, and a 2020 sixth-round pick.

He's gotten more pesty and maybe better defensively, but IMO, has fallen off in a big way offensively. .
- QuinnFan

he was playing with girgens, okposo and robinson though

maybe meant the Kadri trade?

On July 1, 2019, Kadri was traded to the Colorado Avalanche with Calle Rosen and a 2020 third-round pick in exchange for Tyson Barrie, Alex Kerfoot, and a 2020 sixth-round pick.
- BuffaloHerd

Not sure, but roster players went both ways so doesn't really fit. There are others, I mean Debrincat was traded for picks, same with Dougie Hamilton. Karlsson to SJ for mostly prospects/Demelo. Duchene for all picks/prospects. It isn't unheard of, that's all I'm really saying. Honestly, I just don't buy that there was nothing we could've traded Savoie(+/-) for beyond a 3-4C.

he was playing with girgens, okposo and robinson though
- homiedclown

Which explains it, but even when he got to play up a little higher, he started to look gun shy again. Wasn't sure what to do. Makes sense after playing 2 years of dump and chase with the side boards being his closest friend in the o-zone.

Neuchev and a 2nd are negligible to us at this point, so if that's the difference between Ehlers and McLeod, we (frank)ed up royally. Facts are that almost every year there are top6/top4 players traded for prospects/picks.
- QuinnFan

Yeah, I think the Peg wanted alot more than that and that is why he hasn't been traded. My best guess is they wanted an NHL roster player, a prospect and a 1st rd pick.

Ehlers without committing to an extension, what's your opinion on an offer of: Krebs, Savoie, and a 2nd rd pick?

Not sure, but roster players went both ways so doesn't really fit. There are others, I mean Debrincat was traded for picks, same with Dougie Hamilton. Karlsson to SJ for mostly prospects/Demelo. Duchene for all picks/prospects. It isn't unheard of, that's all I'm really saying. Honestly, I just don't buy that there was nothing we could've traded Savoie(+/-) for beyond a 3-4C.
- QuinnFan

I agree and have no issue with using a package to get a better player. My point is just that Savoie (or any prospect for that matter) by himself does not get you a good young top six NHL player, unless that top six player has some serious warts.

Would Samuelsson, Savoie, and 2025 1st get Zegras?

Yeah, I think the Peg wanted alot more than that and that is why he hasn't been traded. My best guess is they wanted an NHL roster player, a prospect and a 1st rd pick.

Ehlers without committing to an extension, what's your opinion on an offer of: Krebs, Savoie, and a 2nd rd pick?
- BuffaloHerd

I'd probably do that in a heartbeat. We either make the playoffs with him or he'd be worth a similar amount at the TDL. Retain 50% and might even get more than you paid.

I agree and have no issue with using a package to get a better player. My point is just that Savoie (or any prospect for that matter) by himself does not get you a good young top six NHL player, unless that top six player has some serious warts.

Would Samuelsson, Savoie, and 2025 1st get Zegras?
- BuffaloHerd

We just had Gauthier get traded for a top4 D and a 2nd rounder, so I think there are still examples of it, but can agree it's rare. It's probably just as rare to see players picked in the top10 get traded before their rookie seasons as well. So tough to gauge.

Personally, I'd steer away from Zegras and think that's too much. Anaheim apparently wants a king's ransom for him, so that's probably around what they'd agree to. Just think it's far too much. X the 1st and we're closer.

We just had Gauthier get traded for a top4 D and a 2nd rounder, so I think there are still examples of it, but can agree it's rare. It's probably just as rare to see players picked in the top10 get traded before their rookie seasons as well. So tough to gauge.

Personally, I'd steer away from Zegras and think that's too much. Anaheim apparently wants a king's ransom for him, so that's probably around what they'd agree to. Just think it's far too much. X the 1st and we're closer.
- QuinnFan

Drysdale is not a top 4D. Maybe in the future.

Drysdale is not a top 4D. Maybe in the future.
- DirtyDan

kid has had no breaks with injuries

We just had Gauthier get traded for a top4 D and a 2nd rounder, so I think there are still examples of it, but can agree it's rare. It's probably just as rare to see players picked in the top10 get traded before their rookie seasons as well. So tough to gauge.

Personally, I'd steer away from Zegras and think that's too much. Anaheim apparently wants a king's ransom for him, so that's probably around what they'd agree to. Just think it's far too much. X the 1st and we're closer.
- QuinnFan

I'm also not real high on Zegras, just have some concerns about his character.

That Gauthier trade so far is the best counter-point to my comment, and flyers were even forced to trade him.

Overall I just do not think prospects have the value that we would like to believe, especially our own.

I'm also not real high on Zegras, just have some concerns about his character.

That Gauthier trade so far is the best counter-point to my comment, and flyers were even forced to trade him.

Overall I just do not think prospects have the value that we would like to believe, especially our own.
- BuffaloHerd

Since when did Zegras have character concerns?

His only issue was his contract where the ducks didn’t want to pay him

Neuchev and a 2nd are negligible to us at this point, so if that's the difference between Ehlers and McLeod, we (frank)ed up royally. Facts are that almost every year there are top6/top4 players traded for prospects/picks.
- QuinnFan

That is correct. So far none of the players that were rumored to be traded have been traded.

I golfed with my buddy who works for the Sabres a couple weekends ago. He said Adams besides signing krebs.

Unless some magical trade pops up.

The roster is set.

Since when did Zegras have character concerns?

His only issue was his contract where the ducks didn’t want to pay him
- Sabretooth9

He's a hot dog, individual player. Plays for the name on the back vs the crest on the front.
True or not, that is a perception of him.

That is correct. So far none of the players that were rumored to be traded have been traded.

I golfed with my buddy who works for the Sabres a couple weekends ago. He said Adams besides signing krebs.

Unless some magical trade pops up.

The roster is set.
- Sabretooth9

No surprise, been saying it for 10 days.
Follow the money.
Unless major Cap is headed out, no major Cap is coming in.
Greenway is largely redundant, but his $3m hit doesn't make him attractive.

The true leader of this roster isn't on it yet.
I'm ready for a blockbuster trade.

Since when did Zegras have character concerns?

His only issue was his contract where the ducks didn’t want to pay him
- Sabretooth9

It's just my perception, never said its based any specific event (if that is what you mean by "Since when".