Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Konecny, WJSS, TIFH

It’s like getting pizza instead of a raise at work

I can only assume most of this board will not be watching the Flyers this coming season.

if we do, Coots best seasons came with G on his wing, can MM spark a healthy Coots?

I’m just here to see what the “spin” is gonna be for this stupid extension. So let’s keep track. Today we get lower cap percentage than comparable players (ie meier) in future years. 👍🏻. not saying bill is in favor of these excuses but it’s gonna be fun to listen to the narrative over the next few years and laugh at the excuses just like with coots extension and listen to the uninformed fans eating it up and spewing those narratives

Hard to argue. I mean, the Hathaway deal looks bad to me due to term and everyone that was signed around him. If you sign one plug and not all of them, it doesn’t look as bad to me.
- roenick97

I agree. One isn't horrible but everybody collectively is.

The plan is the same as the Cutter Gauthier plan, snow the fans.

This is a division of a multinational corporation that just happens to own a hockey team.

The FO is essentially just a PR stunt. Not hired to be actually successful, just hired to look successful on TV to rehabilitate the Flyers image.

A successful corporate strategy that only works if people don't look behind the curtain.

For Cutter, they orchestrated coordinated faux outrage and feigned ignorance as to any issues. The fans responded emotionally, not rationally and that's what they wanted. They want fans emotionally engaged and to not look to hard behind the curtain. Spend that money but don't ask questions.

Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Konecny, WJSS, TIFH
- bmeltzer

Are you in favor of the TK extension?

I can only assume most of this board will not be watching the Flyers this coming season.

if we do, Coots best seasons came with G on his wing, can MM spark a healthy Coots?
- wcorvette

Who says he is healthy..

I can only assume most of this board will not be watching the Flyers this coming season.

if we do, Coots best seasons came with G on his wing, can MM spark a healthy Coots?
- wcorvette

Why are we assuming this?

I’m just here to see what the “spin” is gonna be for this stupid extension. So let’s keep track. Today we get lower cap percentage than comparable players (ie meier) in future years. 👍🏻. not saying bill is in favor of these excuses but it’s gonna be fun to listen to the narrative over the next few years and laugh at the excuses just like with coots extension and listen to the uninformed fans eating it up and spewing those narratives
- Stayin alive

whoa.....

Gotta love the Flyers….they are skipping the painful part of any rebuild.

I can only assume most of this board will not be watching the Flyers this coming season.

if we do, Coots best seasons came with G on his wing, can MM spark a healthy Coots?
- wcorvette

He might be healthy now although back’s are tricky things. I’ll watch all 82 like always…Hopefully Michkov keeps me engaged.

I’m just here to see what the “spin” is gonna be for this stupid extension. So let’s keep track. Today we get lower cap percentage than comparable players (ie meier) in future years. 👍🏻. not saying bill is in favor of these excuses but it’s gonna be fun to listen to the narrative over the next few years and laugh at the excuses just like with coots extension and listen to the uninformed fans eating it up and spewing those narratives
- Stayin alive

Yea, it's pretty much moving the goal posts. Focus on the margins of his contract details instead of the actual question, should the Flyers have resigned Konecny to an 8 year contract?

The money is irrelevant at this point, he was going to get the money and term from somebody but that somebody shouldn't have been the Flyers.

It's classic redirect. Move the focus away from the question you don't want to answer to one that's not really important.

It's like someone buying a new car they can't afford but touting the $200 rebate they got as a good deal. You cares about the rebate, you are still screwed with payments.

Are you in favor of the TK extension?
- hello it's me 2050

I'm OK with the cap hit (wasn't much choice if they were going to extend him). I'm concerned about the term. Counting next season, this is a NINE year commitment.

I'm OK with the cap hit (wasn't much choice if they were going to extend him). I'm concerned about the term. Counting next season, this is a NINE year commitment.
- bmeltzer

Bill,

Why does it seem there is such a reluctance by the Flyers to actually bottom out and try to get a top 5 pick. Not saying a tank like the Sixers. 2025 and 2026 both have franchise centers that they could build around. Yes I know nothing is guaranteed but I feel like this building while still trying to win just doesn't have much success.

My trepidation has always been about the term. Those last few years historically wont end well.

I don't think anyone here has much confidence in a healthy and productive TK at ages 33, 34, 35, 36. Basically the last 4 years. And 2 of those years he isn't going anywhere no matter what.

We can only hope his cap hit wont be too much of an anchor.

Bill,

Why does it seem there is such a reluctance by the Flyers to actually bottom out and try to get a top 5 pick. Not saying a tank like the Sixers. 2025 and 2026 both have franchise centers that they could build around. Yes I know nothing is guaranteed but I feel like this building while still trying to win just doesn't have much success.
- J35Bacher

Misguided principles by those that still influence the macro-level direction of the franchise.

I'm OK with the cap hit (wasn't much choice if they were going to extend him). I'm concerned about the term. Counting next season, this is a NINE year commitment.
- bmeltzer

The term and movement clauses were also unavoidable tho.

Which is why a smart org would have traded him.

Bill,

Why does it seem there is such a reluctance by the Flyers to actually bottom out and try to get a top 5 pick. Not saying a tank like the Sixers. 2025 and 2026 both have franchise centers that they could build around. Yes I know nothing is guaranteed but I feel like this building while still trying to win just doesn't have much success.
- J35Bacher

The thing is does having or not having TK on this team really make that big a difference? Without him are they markedly worse? That's my problem with with a signing like this. It's pointless. To me it's not about committing to a rebuild. It's about making smart choices. He's just not enough of a difference maker to justify locking yourself into for the next 8 (or 9) years. You know you're going to eat it for the last few years of a deal like this, so the payoff over the next few years needs to make it worthwhile. Unless the guy is a superstar I don't see it. I didn't like it with Coots. I didn't like it with Voracek or even Giroux (and Giroux was a much better player than any of those guys). It's just short sighted.

Bill,

Why does it seem there is such a reluctance by the Flyers to actually bottom out and try to get a top 5 pick. Not saying a tank like the Sixers. 2025 and 2026 both have franchise centers that they could build around. Yes I know nothing is guaranteed but I feel like this building while still trying to win just doesn't have much success.
- J35Bacher

You are asking a company to willfully lose a lot of money for multiple years. Everyone has a boss. Good luck to anyone who asks his boss to tank profits.

You are asking a company to willfully lose a lot of money for multiple years. Everyone has a boss. Good luck to anyone who asks his boss to tank profits.
- psuhockey

I actually think that is flawed thinking. They got Michkov over. The people will be buying tickets and be interested. I actually think it would have been a great time because you move Konecny but you have your top prospect over.

I also think if your honest with the fans, they will still come to see the youth play.

How much in playoff money have they been bringing in recently?

I'm OK with the cap hit (wasn't much choice if they were going to extend him). I'm concerned about the term. Counting next season, this is a NINE year commitment.
- bmeltzer

Money wise its fine just wished someone else gave him this deal.

What would you have done? This ext or trade?

Let me ask you something, did they even give any serious consideration on trading him to your knowledge? Did anyone make any good offers you know of? Thanks!!!

In 2024 Briere committed $119,600,000 to Tipett and Konecny. I like both players, but it just seems crazy to spend that much on wingers when the team has openly said they need to get better on D and down the middle.

My trepidation has always been about the term. Those last few years historically wont end well.

I don't think anyone here has much confidence in a healthy and productive TK at ages 33, 34, 35, 36. Basically the last 4 years. And 2 of those years he isn't going anywhere no matter what.

We can only hope his cap hit wont be too much of an anchor.
- MBFlyerfan

Those last 2 years are untradable as well.

Bill,

Why does it seem there is such a reluctance by the Flyers to actually bottom out and try to get a top 5 pick. Not saying a tank like the Sixers. 2025 and 2026 both have franchise centers that they could build around. Yes I know nothing is guaranteed but I feel like this building while still trying to win just doesn't have much success.
- J35Bacher

hope the pens get 1.

8 years, NTC? Ohhhh myyyyy!