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BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jul 27 @ 11:25 AM ET
Doesn’t tippet play left wing?
- ClaudeFather

He can, but until last season he was a RW
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Jul 27 @ 11:27 AM ET
Between Michkov, Foerster, Brink, Tippett, TK and Hathaway, at least 2 will have to play LW.

Odd way to build a roster.

- BiggE


Refresh my recollection. How many RWs per line?
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jul 27 @ 11:28 AM ET
Bill,

How do you feel about the majority of Konecny's salary being signing bonuses so as to make the Atkinson (buyout) option useless in the later years of the contract? Is that something that he was going to get no matter what?

- Flyers_01

It’s a terrible contract and an idiotic move for a team in the Flyers position to make.
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Jul 27 @ 11:28 AM ET
Even if they do very well in the 2025 draft, those players are 3 years from playing in the NHL and realistically 5 years (or more) from being real contributors to the NHL team.

Its crazy how many are pointing to next years draft as if those three picks will give us 3 NHL players immediately who will produce like stars.

It terrifies me that their plan seems to be to throw 8 year 12 million dollar deals at 28-31 year old UFA 1c and 1d. (because that is what it is going to take.)

- MBFlyerfan


Right on point
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jul 27 @ 11:28 AM ET
Refresh my recollection. How many RWs per line?
- mikeyo27

According to Flyer math, the correct answer is 2.5
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Jul 27 @ 11:32 AM ET
Unfortunately, this is the reality that we as Flyers fans face. I love the irony when some Flyers fans say they don't want to be patient. They need to work on that.
- MJL


It’s hard for any of us to stay consistent. Since the front office keeps saying one thing, doing other things, icing a team that is a perennial bubble team, handing out contracts to aging players, trying to convince us that picks 12, 25, and 30 are gonna somehow put the kid on a fantastic “rebuild” we’re all pretty skittish to the point where we keep trying to imagine where the heck they are taking this team. I posted on the previous thread. I love the team, but have run out of patience, tolerance or belief in the front office.
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Jul 27 @ 11:35 AM ET
According to Flyer math, the correct answer is 2.5
- BiggE


I gotta tell you, that made me actually laugh out loud. Well done!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 27 @ 11:50 AM ET
No but you could get someone who has the potential, while I agree they don’t hand elite talent, Tip, York, Farabee, Foerster, all have a good season, they will all have real value. I mean York and Tip and a pick in a package, for the right team would be a haul, no?
- wcorvette


No, it wouldn't. I'm not sure why some think that quantity can get you quality. Unlikely. If the goal is to acquire a 1C or 1D, quantity doesn't get it done.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jul 27 @ 12:00 PM ET
No, it wouldn't. I'm not sure why some think that quantity can get you quality. Unlikely. If the goal is to acquire a 1C or 1D, quantity doesn't get it done.
- MJL



We will disagree here, the players mentioned are very good players, another good season and then they have consistency, no you are not getting a prime or vet 1d/1c, but a strong package has the potential to get a young c with upside being a 1C.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 27 @ 12:24 PM ET
We will disagree here, the players mentioned are very good players, another good season and then they have consistency, no you are not getting a prime or vet 1d/1c, but a strong package has the potential to get a young c with upside being a 1C.
- wcorvette


Very good players in quantity don't get you an elite player in a trade. Unless as I stated in a previous post. The player is in decline and aging and the team is looking to get out of a contract. A combination of York, Farabee, Foerster, or Tippet are not getting you a future young elite level center. It's not happening. At best it might get you someone such as a Zegras, which is not the player the Flyers need. It's a fantasy if you think otherwise.
StepfordSam
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.06.2017

Jul 27 @ 12:29 PM ET
[Tony Androckitis* (@TonyAndrock) on X] Per AHL source, Alexei Kolosov told #Flyers at the end of his stint w/ Lehigh Valley he did not want to return “They put him in the hotel by himself & he felt isolated, especially since his English isn’t great”
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jul 27 @ 12:50 PM ET
[Tony Androckitis* (@TonyAndrock) on X] Per AHL source, Alexei Kolosov told #Flyers at the end of his stint w/ Lehigh Valley he did not want to return “They put him in the hotel by himself & he felt isolated, especially since his English isn’t great”
- StepfordSam

Every time I think they cannot be more inept, they prove me wrong.

#sellthedamnteam
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jul 27 @ 12:51 PM ET
[Tony Androckitis* (@TonyAndrock) on X] Per AHL source, Alexei Kolosov told #Flyers at the end of his stint w/ Lehigh Valley he did not want to return “They put him in the hotel by himself & he felt isolated, especially since his English isn’t great”
- StepfordSam

if true that makes my day.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jul 27 @ 12:52 PM ET
Every time I think they cannot be more inept, they prove me wrong.

#sellthedamnteam

- BiggE

that's not a Comcast issue. That is a flyers management issue, again if true.

also looks like the 3 stooges lied yet again
Hosher12
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.15.2020

Jul 27 @ 12:57 PM ET
And if the Queen had balls, she'd be the King!

- Letterkenney



These days the Queen can just identify as King!!

Let’s face it we are all projecting the future so all of our guesses are “ ifs”

And “if” anyone is sure about the future you are on the wrong topic going to the casino and make big$$$
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jul 27 @ 12:58 PM ET
[Tony Androckitis* (@TonyAndrock) on X] Per AHL source, Alexei Kolosov told #Flyers at the end of his stint w/ Lehigh Valley he did not want to return “They put him in the hotel by himself & he felt isolated, especially since his English isn’t great”
- StepfordSam


Sands casino and steel stacks didn’t anyone tell the kid?
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jul 27 @ 1:11 PM ET
that's not a Comcast issue. That is a flyers management issue, again if true.

also looks like the 3 stooges lied yet again

- hello it's me 2050

Comcast hired Hilferty
Hilferty promoted Briere and hired Jones

At the end of the day, the owner controls the purse strings and hires the person at the very top. It’s all on Comcast.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jul 27 @ 1:16 PM ET
Comcast hired Hilferty
Hilferty promoted Briere and hired Jones

At the end of the day, the owner controls the purse strings and hires the person at the very top. It’s all on Comcast.

- BiggE

you know what I mean. Comcast has no idea who kolosov even is they leave to the 3 stooges. Yes end of day they hired them as I have said in the past
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jul 27 @ 1:26 PM ET
you know what I mean. Comcast has no idea who kolosov even is they leave to the 3 stooges. Yes end of day they hired them as I have said in the past
- hello it's me 2050

I totally get it, but I really feel that without a change in ownership, this team is never going anywhere. Snider made his share of mistakes, but his intent was always to build a championship team. Comcast, OTOH, is more concerned with ratings, selling gritty dolls and political correctness than they are with winning.
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Jul 27 @ 1:30 PM ET
It’s a terrible contract and an idiotic move for a team in the Flyers position to make.
- BiggE

The position has always been being somewhat competitive. Tanking is for sissies & yellow bellies.
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Jul 27 @ 1:35 PM ET
[Tony Androckitis* (@TonyAndrock) on X] Per AHL source, Alexei Kolosov told #Flyers at the end of his stint w/ Lehigh Valley he did not want to return “They put him in the hotel by himself & he felt isolated, especially since his English isn’t great”
- StepfordSam


God, I hope this is not true.
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Jul 27 @ 1:37 PM ET
that's not a Comcast issue. That is a flyers management issue, again if true.

also looks like the 3 stooges lied yet again

- hello it's me 2050


It’s seems to be pathological at this point.
Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Jul 27 @ 1:45 PM ET
Every time I think they cannot be more inept, they prove me wrong.

#sellthedamnteam

- BiggE


They do seem to be following the Cutter playbook.

Problem, what problem? We haven't heard anything.

I wonder if he is worth the well orchestrated outrage that Cutter went through when they finally parted ways. Torts won't know him from a hole in the wall and obviously, "If he doesn't want to be a Flyer, he won't be a Flyer". Which is kind of the player's point.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jul 27 @ 1:56 PM ET
Very good players in quantity don't get you an elite player in a trade. Unless as I stated in a previous post. The player is in decline and aging and the team is looking to get out of a contract. A combination of York, Farabee, Foerster, or Tippet are not getting you a future young elite level center. It's not happening. At best it might get you someone such as a Zegras, which is not the player the Flyers need. It's a fantasy if you think otherwise.
- MJL


You have to consider circumstance and the actual performance of the player. It could be a young center who has the potential but is still young and growing. The circumstance could be the team needs goals Mc speed aka Tip and another solid 2-4 D to make a run. The other part of circumstance is the pick, say it is a first, the Flyers would be taking on a young player who needs to grow, while giving up 2 proven players, that will most likely lead to more loses for the Flyers, then then the puck going the other way would be a higher pick. The receiving team gets 2 good pieces plus a good pick to stock the prospect pool. I am not saying there is a McD out there, nor is another McD or Beddard coming in the draft.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jul 27 @ 2:02 PM ET
Very good players in quantity don't get you an elite player in a trade. Unless as I stated in a previous post. The player is in decline and aging and the team is looking to get out of a contract. A combination of York, Farabee, Foerster, or Tippet are not getting you a future young elite level center. It's not happening. At best it might get you someone such as a Zegras, which is not the player the Flyers need. It's a fantasy if you think otherwise.
- MJL


You have to consider circumstance and the actual performance of the player. It could be a young center who has the potential but is still young and growing. The circumstance could be the team needs goals Mc speed aka Tip and another solid 2-4 D to make a run. The other part of circumstance is the pick, say it is a first, the Flyers would be taking on a young player who needs to grow, while giving up 2 proven players, that will most likely lead to more loses for the Flyers, then then the puck going the other way would be a higher pick. The receiving team gets 2 good pieces plus a good pick to stock the prospect pool. I am not saying there is a McD out there, nor is another McD or Beddard coming in the draft.
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