I totally get it, but I really feel that without a change in ownership, this team is never going anywhere. Snider made his share of mistakes, but his intent was always to build a championship team. Comcast, OTOH, is more concerned with ratings, selling gritty dolls and political correctness than they are with winning.
- BiggE

I don't think the main issue is what Comcast is more concerned with. I think the main issue is the Flyers still think they can operate and build a team the way they did when Ed Snider was around. That's part of why hiring Keith Jones and John Tortorella were huge mistakes.

You have to consider circumstance and the actual performance of the player. It could be a young center who has the potential but is still young and growing. The circumstance could be the team needs goals Mc speed aka Tip and another solid 2-4 D to make a run. The other part of circumstance is the pick, say it is a first, the Flyers would be taking on a young player who needs to grow, while giving up 2 proven players, that will most likely lead to more loses for the Flyers, then then the puck going the other way would be a higher pick. The receiving team gets 2 good pieces plus a good pick to stock the prospect pool. I am not saying there is a McD out there, nor is another McD or Beddard coming in the draft.
- wcorvette

I am considering the circumstances. It seems to me that you're not. By your premise, if Farabee and York have strong years. You think they can go to Anaheim and say we'll trade you those players for Leo Carlsson. Or to Columbus for Adam Fantilli or SJ for Will Smith. Or even to the Rangers for Lafreniere. Never going to happen. It's not reality. You're never going to get the player that they need for what you want to trade to get him.

I am considering the circumstances. It seems to me that you're not. By your premise, if Farabee and York have strong years. You think they can go to Anaheim and say we'll trade you those players for Leo Carlsson. Or to Columbus for Adam Fantilli or SJ for Will Smith. Or even to the Rangers for Lafreniere. Never going to happen. It's not reality. You're never going to get the player that they need for what you want to trade to get him.
- MJL

Well when you put Farabee it won’t, but Top changes the dynamic, plus a high pick. Will the players you mention be elite, maybe, will they be beddard, Mcd or Mck, most likely not. Point is, most teams draft or not, will get a center below the best in the game. Is there a trade for Stutzle if the Sens don’t step forward, is he elite, could he be. Drafting an elite center is not a sure thing (see Patrick draft top 2) and for sure trying to trade for 1 is not. I prefer the draft but now I pray DB uses assets and reshapes what he has. As much as I am disappointed in what they did, I hope they have a freaking plan.

Well when you put Farabee it won’t, but Top changes the dynamic, plus a high pick. Will the players you mention be elite, maybe, will they be beddard, Mcd or Mck, most likely not. Point is, most teams draft or not, will get a center below the best in the game. Is there a trade for Stutzle if the Sens don’t step forward, is he elite, could he be. Drafting an elite center is not a sure thing (see Patrick draft top 2) and for sure trying to trade for 1 is not. I prefer the draft but now I pray DB uses assets and reshapes what he has. As much as I am disappointed in what they did, I hope they have a freaking plan.
- wcorvette

Farabee was one of the players you listed! You're moving the goal posts. The context is an elite young future #1 center. Not a generational player. What you think can happen is extremely rare and not realistic. There would have to be some rare extenuating circumstances such as with Eichel and his surgery issues. Wanting Briere to use assets and reshape what he has, is actually terrifying to me.

Tim Stutzle is 22 years old and has already had a 39 goal 90 point season. Ottawa is going to trade him to the Flyers for York, Farabee and mid 1st round pick? Be serious

go flyers!

I don't think the main issue is what Comcast is more concerned with. I think the main issue is the Flyers still think they can operate and build a team the way they did when Ed Snider was around. That's part of why hiring Keith Jones and John Tortorella were huge mistakes.
- MJL

Yeah, no doubt re Jones & Torts. However having a disinterested owner leaves me no hope that these mistakes will ever be rectified in a positive manner.

Truth is the Flyers see their core as good enough to add around it.

Travis Konecny
Owen Tippett
Sean Couturier
Joel Farabee
Morgan Frost
Matvei Michkov
Tyson Foerster
Jamie Drysdale
Cam York
Travis Sanheim
Samuel Ersson

Add in the picks this coming draft and they must believe they can thread the needle with FA and trades. Look if all goes perfect, all players take another step, they get some surprises from past drafts and by some miracle they end up moving up in the 2025 draft, yea, I can see why they think they can ice a team that might have a few years to get lucky and win. I mean Jaime D could be the real deal, Coots might round back into form, Tk with better support could get 90, Tip might end to be a great power forward, York could be a top pair D, Zamula could be a 3-5, Ers could be a #1. Frost could be a 2c , Foerster could be top 6 and selke worthy, Farabee plus could bring back a needed piece or he could be a 30 goal guy. Bonk and Barkey could be the real deal. Jett could be Jett. They might be able to get into the top 10 and top 15 of next years draft. DB could have an ace up his sleeve, he could make the blockbuster trade.

My gosh you can see why the fan base is frustrated, from all that has been done or not done, most is pinned to hope and luck, while selling off would get you into the top of the draft and is the high percentage play.

They see it as the core has been built, to much young talent to walk away from or lose with. I get that, last year was that, hell if Coots didn’t run out of steam and Torts didn’t self destruct they would have made the playoffs, see, Torts is a useful idiot. They are unwilling to sell the youth they built and falsely believe they need vets around them.

I don’t agree but will still watch, I want them to win, but there will be a part of me that wants them to lose. The TDL this season will be the final piece, if in contention for the playoffs, it will cement the path of good luck and buying their way back. Out of the playoffs and maybe they sell what they can, there is always hope, don’t hold your breath.

Either way go Flyers
- wcorvette

welp, I put this post in the wrong place. Let’s try over here.

I’m not sold on Ersson being on their list, but I do believe that the rest of those mentioned are core units in their eyes.

The problem lies that you need everything to break in your favor. Everything. And that’s not a great percentage.

Ooh! Appropriate lyrics.

The percentage your paying is to high price
While you’re living beyond all your means.
And the man in the suit has just bought a new car
From the profit he’s made on your dreams.

Listen to some Traffic before the fanbase tells you to play in it, Danny.

Even if they do break their way, is that a Stanley Cup roster? This is where the concept loses us. We like these guys. We do. We don’t really believe it’s a Cup team, though.

To get a better Cup roster, you’d have to roll the dice and trade out those elder statesmen for some younger guys to come along with your true core - Tippett, Michkov, York, Drysdale, Farabee. You hope Frost, Foerster and Brink can earn their way onto the list. All of those other guys? They should be on the block.

They had a chance to trade out some of those vets, and instead they’re handcuffed by contracts. We’re frustrated. We have the right to be. I’m still gonna watch, but I’m not sold on the team right now. Next draft is gonna be huge.

Beyond all their means, indeed.

You also gotta stop extending 4th line players for more than they’re worth just because you’re comfortable with them, but that’s another argument entirely. Those guys are a dime a dozen. Fill them in as needed once everything else is put in its place.

Farabee was one of the players you listed! You're moving the goal posts. The context is an elite young future #1 center. Not a generational player. What you think can happen is extremely rare and not realistic. There would have to be some rare extenuating circumstances such as with Eichel and his surgery issues. Wanting Briere to use assets and reshape what he has, is actually terrifying to me.



Tim Stutzle is 22 years old and has already had a 39 goal 90 point season. Ottawa is going to trade him to the Flyers for York, Farabee and mid 1st round pick? Be serious
- MJL

Farabee was one of the players you listed! You're moving the goal posts. The context is an elite young future #1 center. Not a generational player. What you think can happen is extremely rare and not realistic. There would have to be some rare extenuating circumstances such as with Eichel and his surgery issues. Wanting Briere to use assets and reshape what he has, is actually terrifying to me.

Tim Stutzle is 22 years old and has already had a 39 goal 90 point season. Ottawa is going to trade him to the Flyers for York, Farabee and mid 1st round pick? Be serious
- MJL

Settle down, it was my post, not yours, they are my goal posts. Stutzle has had 70 points last season and was a minus 17, you skipped that part. I just used him as an example, with the context if the Sens struggled again this coming season. Sure I mentioned Farabee, I also mentioned Tippett , just was better for you to use Farabee in the comparison. The overall point was there can be a trade, that DB put himself in this position, all has to go right and he needs to thread a very small needle.

Settle down, it was my post, not yours, they are my goal posts. Stutzle has had 70 points last season and was a minus 17, you skipped that part. I just used him as an example, with the context if the Sens struggled again this coming season. Sure I mentioned Farabee, I also mentioned Tippett , just was better for you to use Farabee in the comparison. The overall point was there can be a trade, that DB put himself in this position, all has to go right and he needs to thread a very small needle.
- wcorvette

I didn't skip anything. It's not uncommon for a young player to have some ups and downs. I used Tippet also in one of my replies to you. Did you miss that? Your premise is simply not realistic. Why would a struggling team trade a still very young star player for a collection of inferior non star level players? They wouldn't!

they want to win with their guys. come to terms with it.

I’m not telling you to like it. But complaining here every day is not good for your blood pressure.

they want to win with their guys. come to terms with it.

I’m not telling you to like it. But complaining here every day is not good for your blood pressure.
- anti-lame

What is your opinion? Do you think they CAN win with their guys?



Its hard to believe that these guys believe it. Jones has been a broadcaster for a long time, he saw plenty of teams and games and should have a pretty good idea of what it takes to win the cup. Its baffling to me that they could even believe its possible in the current state they are in.

They may want to win with "their guys" but my opinion is that they are delusional if that is the case. And of course that is going to make fans upset.

I gotta agree mostly with mjl on these debate of trading pieces for a 1c with the players they have. It’s very unlikely to happen but to be fair it is possible.

Eichel was available and most on here were screaming they wouldn’t touch him or give up the players needed. And they were wrong as usual. They easily could’ve put package together for eichel seeing what buffalo got. But it’s fools gold to even really consider it as a possibility because it’s really that rare to happen.

What is your opinion? Do you think they CAN win with their guys?
- MBFlyerfan

I don’t know. History shows Coots, TK and Sanheim are apart of a lot of losing with this team. On the other hand, if you really give them the reigns (trade G, name Coots captain, sign this group all long term) and say “this is your team”, do they rise to the occasion, gather some pride and start to give a sh!t? Or do they get comfortable for the next 8 years. Again, I don’t know. But signing TK shows you that this is the core, this is their team. It falls on those 3. Is it enough that they’re buddies? Time will tell. They need to play the hockey games. Some players will see that as a free ticket. Some will seize the opportunity. I don’t know which this group is. But this solidified the look of the team. Laughton not going anywhere. I get why folks don’t like it - but I also don’t like the game plan of different faces coming in and out every year to save a few bucks. Build a group that want to play together.

Maybe it’s rhetoric or not quantifiable but I certainly played differently depending on how much I cared about my teammates.

Tk’s number is good. Term is expected even if it’s a lot but we were underpaying some productive years. As a fan you hope he becomes the next Marchand. This I solidifying an identity.

Young team. Lots of picks coming. Maybe lights a fire under brink.

GMs have shelf lives and aren’t going to put it on a plate for the next guy. Briere wants the best flyer to remain a flyer, plain and simple

It’s easy to cry doom and gloom every year because only one team wins every year so you always look right. literally not the point of being a fan of a team. Some folks would rather try to look like the smartest guy on a message board than enjoy an entire season of hockey. Holy sh!t

I gotta agree mostly with mjl on these debate of trading pieces for a 1c with the players they have. It’s very unlikely to happen but to be fair it is possible.

Eichel was available and most on here were screaming they wouldn’t touch him or give up the players needed. And they were wrong as usual. They easily could’ve put package together for eichel seeing what buffalo got. But it’s fools gold to even really consider it as a possibility because it’s really that rare to happen.
- Stayin alive

But could they have? Krebs, Tuch, a 1st and a 2nd plus having the 10 million in cap space.

I don’t know. History shows Coots, TK and Sanheim are apart of a lot of losing with this team. On the other hand, if you really give them the reigns (trade G, name Coots captain, sign this group all long term) and say “this is your team”, do they rise to the occasion, gather some pride and start to give a sh!t? Or do they get comfortable for the next 8 years. Again, I don’t know. But signing TK shows you that this is the core, this is their team. It falls on those 3. Is it enough that they’re buddies? Time will tell. They need to play the hockey games. Some players will see that as a free ticket. Some will seize the opportunity. I don’t know which this group is. But this solidified the look of the team. Laughton not going anywhere. I get why folks don’t like it - but I also don’t like the game plan of different faces coming in and out every year to save a few bucks. Build a group that want to play together.

Maybe it’s rhetoric or not quantifiable but I certainly played differently depending on how much I cared about my teammates.

Tk’s number is good. Term is expected even if it’s a lot but we were underpaying some productive years. As a fan you hope he becomes the next Marchand. This I solidifying an identity.

Young team. Lots of picks coming. Maybe lights a fire under brink.

GMs have shelf lives and aren’t going to put it on a plate for the next guy. Briere wants the best flyer to remain a flyer, plain and simple

It’s easy to cry doom and gloom every year because only one team wins every year so you always look right. literally not the point of being a fan of a team. Some folks would rather try to look like the smartest guy on a message board than enjoy an entire season of hockey. Holy sh!t
- anti-lame

Its my opinion that even if they all play perfect, they aren't talented enough to win anything. They just aren't good enough. Pride and giving a poop can only take you so far when you are playing against more talented players who also have pride and give a poop.

The Flyers seem to think they have the market cornered on playing the right way. That they are the only team that has a culture, or that their idea of culture is better than all these teams that have been winning cups over the past 50 + years.

But could they have? Krebs, Tuch, a 1st and a 2nd plus having the 10 million in cap space.
- MBFlyerfan

No. They didn't have the cap space and i'm not sure exactly what the Flyers offer would've consisted of.

Let's also remember the driving issue behind the trade was that Eichel needed back surgery and the type of surgery he wanted wasn't approved by the Buff team docs.

There was a lot of risk by the acquiring team in that trade, let's not pretend his trade would've happened under normal circumstances.

Comcast hired Hilferty
Hilferty promoted Briere and hired Jones

At the end of the day, the owner controls the purse strings and hires the person at the very top. It’s all on Comcast.
- BiggE

💯

It always starts at the top.

💯

It always starts at the top.
- Pelle31Forever

Personally I don’t think it matters who is GM, at least not in Philadelphia. I think Hextall is the closest to a GM that I saw attempt a rebuild and he was replaced quickly with a guy willing to spend.

Its my opinion that even if they all play perfect, they aren't talented enough to win anything. They just aren't good enough. Pride and giving a poop can only take you so far when you are playing against more talented players who also have pride and give a poop.

The Flyers seem to think they have the market cornered on playing the right way. That they are the only team that has a culture, or that their idea of culture is better than all these teams that have been winning cups over the past 50 + years.
- MBFlyerfan

That part is so true.

"If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts; if you have the law on your side, pound the law; if you have neither the facts nor the law, pound the table."

The Flyers are the guys always pounding the table and wondering why they keep losing.

Its my opinion that even if they all play perfect, they aren't talented enough to win anything. They just aren't good enough. Pride and giving a poop can only take you so far when you are playing against more talented players who also have pride and give a poop.

The Flyers seem to think they have the market cornered on playing the right way. That they are the only team that has a culture, or that their idea of culture is better than all these teams that have been winning cups over the past 50 + years.
- MBFlyerfan

Once the blues won with Berube, that’s the model they want to follow. They don’t have a petro however. It ain’t sanheim. I don’t think they’re far off from that blues team, but it’s not a recipe for repeated success

Once the blues won with Berube, that’s the model they want to follow. They don’t have a petro however. It ain’t sanheim. I don’t think they’re far off from that blues team, but it’s not a recipe for repeated success
- anti-lame

wow

I gotta agree mostly with mjl on these debate of trading pieces for a 1c with the players they have. It’s very unlikely to happen but to be fair it is possible.

Eichel was available and most on here were screaming they wouldn’t touch him or give up the players needed. And they were wrong as usual. They easily could’ve put package together for eichel seeing what buffalo got. But it’s fools gold to even really consider it as a possibility because it’s really that rare to happen.
- Stayin alive

Just hammers home what they do to good fans, they take the needle in a haystack approach, and yes, I will hope like hell it works. Hope is not a strategy….

Its my opinion that even if they all play perfect, they aren't talented enough to win anything. They just aren't good enough. Pride and giving a poop can only take you so far when you are playing against more talented players who also have pride and give a poop.

The Flyers seem to think they have the market cornered on playing the right way. That they are the only team that has a culture, or that their idea of culture is better than all these teams that have been winning cups over the past 50 + years.
- MBFlyerfan

They don’t really talk about winning though. They talk about building.
culture, the flyer way, keeping guys that want to be flyers, etc. They don’t really talk like they’ve won anything. They don’t talk about the cup. It’s not on the franchises radar. It’s not what the flyers are about

I don’t know. History shows Coots, TK and Sanheim are apart of a lot of losing with this team. On the other hand, if you really give them the reigns (trade G, name Coots captain, sign this group all long term) and say “this is your team”, do they rise to the occasion, gather some pride and start to give a sh!t? Or do they get comfortable for the next 8 years. Again, I don’t know. But signing TK shows you that this is the core, this is their team. It falls on those 3. Is it enough that they’re buddies? Time will tell. They need to play the hockey games. Some players will see that as a free ticket. Some will seize the opportunity. I don’t know which this group is. But this solidified the look of the team. Laughton not going anywhere. I get why folks don’t like it - but I also don’t like the game plan of different faces coming in and out every year to save a few bucks. Build a group that want to play together.

Maybe it’s rhetoric or not quantifiable but I certainly played differently depending on how much I cared about my teammates.

Tk’s number is good. Term is expected even if it’s a lot but we were underpaying some productive years. As a fan you hope he becomes the next Marchand. This I solidifying an identity.

Young team. Lots of picks coming. Maybe lights a fire under brink.

GMs have shelf lives and aren’t going to put it on a plate for the next guy. Briere wants the best flyer to remain a flyer, plain and simple

It’s easy to cry doom and gloom every year because only one team wins every year so you always look right. literally not the point of being a fan of a team. Some folks would rather try to look like the smartest guy on a message board than enjoy an entire season of hockey. Holy sh!t
- anti-lame

Nah (frank) that. Yeah it would be nice to enjoy entire season of hockey. Unfortunately when team makes the same stupid no chance to ever win moves over and over and over again then yes every fan should be outraged and do nothing but put the team on lamblast. Sorry