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hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jul 29 @ 8:10 AM ET
Daily doom-posting is not only unhealthy, its cowardly. It's the opposite of taking a stand or having a position. Anyone can come here and say everything the Flyers have done or will do is wrong or incompetent and then pound their chest if anything that happens is perceived to not go as planned. What does that mean in the end? Nothing! It's empty and shallow. As Mike Tyson once said, "everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face". Plans often go awry, that is why they are useless. It does not mean in any way those who made the plans are incompetent. The value is in the planning, not in the plan.

As for me, I will sit back and watch what happens and then judge whether Briere and Jones are incompetant or not. Right now it is way too early to say one way or the other. What I do know is the Flyers are an exciting and interesting team again, and I for one can't wait to see Michkov on the ice, and track the progress of rising stars like Luchenko, Bonk and Barkey.

- jd250

exciting and interesting team again a big lol....what the phuck is so interesting about this vanilla bland ass team?

These 3 stooges have no plan. That is clear as day. The only positive thing they have accomplished is the relationship they seemed to have forged with Russia. will the Kolosov situation sour that at all? who knows.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jul 29 @ 8:40 AM ET
Is that what is happening though? Or are some just reporting what is going on with the team? Let’s hope you are right about how this plays out. If the guy can’t “beat” out Pederson then he can go back.
- landros 2

If Kolosov can't beat our Cal Petersen, he should go back to the KHL to be honest.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jul 29 @ 8:41 AM ET
Outside of Michkov, there is zero to be excited about. And even that will tempered by his having to play for Torts and on a pp run by an idiot.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jul 29 @ 8:43 AM ET
If Kolosov can't beat our Cal Petersen, he should go back to the KHL to be honest.
- jd250

what is the main function of the AHL team?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jul 29 @ 8:44 AM ET
Outside of Michkov, there is zero to be excited about. And even that will tempered by his having to play for Torts and on a pp run by an idiot.
- BiggE

yep just a Bland vanilla team with no real path to winning a cup in the next 5 years minimum.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jul 29 @ 8:44 AM ET
This has to be one of the dumbest posts you've ever made and that's saying something. When planning goes awry for well over a decade, maybe there is an issue with your planning. Maybe you keep getting punched in the face but refuse to learn why.

I'll tell you what is really cowardly. Someone who refuses to acknowledge what is plainly true for a significant period of time. Only to then eventually turn around and adopt as a position what he previously battled against, acting like he knew it all along.

- MJL

Jones and Briere had nothing to do with the planning under Hextall or Fletcher. I don't care about what happened a decade ago. I care about the team right now, and right now they are building something. I think I see where the Flyers are going with the current plan, which is to trade picks and sign free agents to get this team contending sooner rather than later, and I have already stated I don't agree with this plan. However I will see how it plays out before I panic or lump Briere and Jones with Hextall and Fletcher.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jul 29 @ 8:46 AM ET
what is the main function of the AHL team?
- hello it's me 2050

One main function is to develop players with the goal to play in the NHL. Thus I think Kolosov should just be the starter for the Phantoms this season and see what happens.
Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Jul 29 @ 8:48 AM ET
what is the main function of the AHL team?
- hello it's me 2050


To give Flyers alumni a job after their playing days are over?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 29 @ 8:55 AM ET
Jones and Briere had nothing to do with the planning under Hextall or Fletcher. I don't care about what happened a decade ago. I care about the team right now, and right now they are building something. I think I see where the Flyers are going with the current plan, which is to trade picks and sign free agents to get this team contending sooner rather than later, and I have already stated I don't agree with this plan. However I will see how it plays out before I panic or lump Briere and Jones with Hextall and Fletcher.
- jd250


Those who can't remember the past are condemned to repeat it. Jones and Briere are repeating many of the same mistakes of the past. Now you don't agree with it, yet you argued for how long against those who tried to tell you.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 29 @ 8:56 AM ET
One main functions is to develop players with the goal to play in the NHL. Thus I think Kolosov should just be the starter for the Phantoms this season and see what happens.
- jd250


Why the contradiction from your previous position?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jul 29 @ 8:58 AM ET
Jones and Briere had nothing to do with the planning under Hextall or Fletcher. I don't care about what happened a decade ago. I care about the team right now, and right now they are building something. I think I see where the Flyers are going with the current plan, which is to trade picks and sign free agents to get this team contending sooner rather than later, and I have already stated I don't agree with this plan. However I will see how it plays out before I panic or lump Briere and Jones with Hextall and Fletcher.
- jd250

Danny boy interned under Chuck. You think a guy with an online wharton certificate would learn from their mentors' mistakes. He is following the scared dog Saint Ronnie path of no real plan trying to play the middle. At least Chuck had a plan despite being a bad plan.

What exactly are they building? To continue to be a middling/fledging team with no real chance of ever winning? Where are they going? The road to nowhere, cure the talking heads. I love how the focus is now all of a sudden the 2025 draft.

Just think how much closer they would be with Cutter, Zeev, and MM. That is at least 3 high potential elite players to build around. Instead your one of them.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jul 29 @ 8:59 AM ET
To give Flyers alumni a job after their playing days are over?
- Flyers_01

nice. well cement head got his ext and pay day. Has he developed anyone under his watch to get to the nhl outside of any 1st rd picks who clearly had the talent to start?
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jul 29 @ 9:00 AM ET
Buium looked pretty good at the Summer Showcase.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jul 29 @ 9:01 AM ET
One main functions is to develop players with the goal to play in the NHL. Thus I think Kolosov should just be the starter for the Phantoms this season and see what happens.
- jd250

good we agree. then Kolosov should play and should have played over Cal when he first arrived. Instead cement head was playing for his next contract. He should have been mandated to play Kolosov. Not like cal or felix were anything close to playing great.

Now if he flat out stinks then you change course
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jul 29 @ 9:02 AM ET
Buium looked pretty good at the Summer Showcase.
- J35Bacher

you always draft the elite talent. if Buium ends up being a total bust so be it. You know you make the right pick and it just didnt work out.

Its like taking say temple against alabama. You always take bama and if you lose you say oh well dem the breaks.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 29 @ 9:07 AM ET
What are the chances that Carter Hart would also be celebrating an 8-year extension right now if he hadn't gotten snagged in the scandal?

jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jul 29 @ 9:07 AM ET
Why the contradiction from your previous position?
- MJL

Completely different circumstances. Petersen is not part of the future of this team. Kolosov may be. Also there no other goalies in the system ready for the AHL at this point. The other thing to consider is Kolosov is Russian and doesn't have to even come here or honor any contract in place; for example there is no way for the Flyers to enforce Kolosov cannot play for any other team. Thus for these reasons concessions have to be made. I don't like it, but I have to accept it.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jul 29 @ 9:09 AM ET
good we agree. then Kolosov should play and should have played over Cal when he first arrived. Instead cement head was playing for his next contract. He should have been mandated to play Kolosov. Not like cal or felix were anything close to playing great.

Now if he flat out stinks then you change course

- hello it's me 2050

The plan from the very beginning was for Kolosov to come over here and get his feet wet. It was never that he would come here and immediately start playing. This was clearly communicated to him based on what Bill reports.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jul 29 @ 9:10 AM ET
Buium looked pretty good at the Summer Showcase.
- J35Bacher

Yes, but the summer showcase is pretty close to a no-check league, so I wouldn't put much stock into it.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jul 29 @ 9:12 AM ET
you always draft the elite talent. if Buium ends up being a total bust so be it. You know you make the right pick and it just didnt work out.

Its like taking say temple against alabama. You always take bama and if you lose you say oh well dem the breaks.

- hello it's me 2050

If Buium is truly thought of as a guaranteed 1D and elite defenseman, why was he available to the Flyers at 12? This narrative that Buium was the right pick is just not correct since clearly 12 teams didn't think he was.
Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Jul 29 @ 9:12 AM ET
Completely different circumstances. Petersen is not part of the future of this team. Kolosov may be. Also there no other goalies in the system ready for the AHL at this point. The other thing to consider is Kolosov is Russian and doesn't have to even come here or honor any contract in place; for example there is no way for the Flyers to enforce Kolosov cannot play for any other team. Thus for these reasons concessions have to be made. I don't like it, but I have to accept it.
- jd250


Fedotov. Seriously, the Fedotov thing was only a year ago. That's like a decade in Flyers years.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jul 29 @ 9:13 AM ET
you always draft the elite talent. if Buium ends up being a total bust so be it. You know you make the right pick and it just didnt work out.

Its like taking say temple against alabama. You always take bama and if you lose you say oh well dem the breaks.

- hello it's me 2050


Exactly. And if Buium becomes better then say York, Andrae or Drysdale, then you move one of them if you feel you have too many of the same type of defenseman.

I feel like defensman or like pitchers in MLB. Can never have enough.


jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jul 29 @ 9:15 AM ET
Danny boy interned under Chuck. You think a guy with an online wharton certificate would learn from their mentors' mistakes. He is following the scared dog Saint Ronnie path of no real plan trying to play the middle. At least Chuck had a plan despite being a bad plan.

What exactly are they building? To continue to be a middling/fledging team with no real chance of ever winning? Where are they going? The road to nowhere, cure the talking heads. I love how the focus is now all of a sudden the 2025 draft.

Just think how much closer they would be with Cutter, Zeev, and MM. That is at least 3 high potential elite players to build around. Instead your one of them.

- hello it's me 2050

It's very tempting to think this way right now, when none of these players have played a single pro game yet in North America, well Gauthier played 1 game last year. Let's check back next year and see if you feel that same way about any of these players. BTW, Michkov is not a lock either.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jul 29 @ 9:18 AM ET
If Buium is truly thought of as a guaranteed 1D and elite defenseman, why was he available to the Flyers at 12? This narrative that Buium was the right pick is just not correct since clearly 12 teams didn't think he was.
- jd250


Why do I care what others thought? Who said those teams didn't make an error of judgement?
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jul 29 @ 9:19 AM ET
Exactly. And if Buium becomes better then say York, Andrae or Drysdale, then you move one of them if you feel you have too many of the same type of defenseman.

I feel like defensman or like pitchers in MLB. Can never have enough.

- J35Bacher

So the choice for Briere was to pick Buium who has a good chance to be a top 4 defenseman but has a very low chance of being an elite 1D defenseman, or picking Luchenko who they felt has that ceiling of being a true 1C. I pick the player that has the best chance of being a 1D or 1C player.
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