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J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jul 29 @ 10:22 AM ET
I can't wait to see the contracts for Foerster and York. The Flyers will surely show us how they do not fall in love with players.
- mickel25


And this is another reason I thought extending Konecny was foolish.

Add in, that if Michkov is the real deal, he is not signing a bridge deal. Just felt the term and money for him was not needed at this time.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jul 29 @ 10:29 AM ET
And this is another reason I thought extending Konecny was foolish.

Add in, that if Michkov is the real deal, he is not signing a bridge deal. Just felt the term and money for him was not needed at this time.

- J35Bacher

of course it wasn't needed in any way. flyers gonna flyer.

how can anyone think this team is on the correct path to contention makes me laugh.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jul 29 @ 10:30 AM ET
He has elite talent and skill. That is why you take him. Whether he turns into a #1 is a diff conversation.

Try using some context why 12 teams “passed” on him.

Really cracks me up how you and other defends this turd organization. All the facts are there to validate they are a turd organization. Yet you look the other way.

- hello it's me 2050

If Buium had elite talent and skill he would have picked in the top 10, period. Not every player picked by teams in the top 10 had elite talent and skill.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jul 29 @ 10:31 AM ET
it isnt tempting at all. yes cutter has played an nhl game.

keep defending. pure entertainment.

Do you think any other team would want MM-JD-Jett over MM-Cutter-Buium?

- hello it's me 2050

Right now, probably not, and I am not saying I want them over the others either. All I am saying is you may be singing a very different tune next year at this time, you just don't know.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jul 29 @ 10:34 AM ET
If Buium had elite talent and skill he would have picked in the top 10, period. Not every player picked by teams in the top 10 had elite talent and skill.
- jd250

keep sucking the flyers crank. it is very entertaining to witness. You have become wat worse than cliff defending saint ronnie. Way worse.

he does have elite talent and skill.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 29 @ 10:35 AM ET
If Buium had elite talent and skill he would have picked in the top 10, period. Not every player picked by teams in the top 10 had elite talent and skill.
- jd250


False. Does David Pasternak, Nikita Kucherov and Brayden Point have elite skill?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jul 29 @ 10:35 AM ET
Right now, probably not, and I am not saying I want them over the others either. All I am saying is you may be singing a very different tune next year at this time, you just don't know.
- jd250

no I won't be singing a diff tune like you will be in 3 hours. I know who I would have taken and wouldn't change it. hindsight may prove it wrong and that's life.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jul 29 @ 10:37 AM ET
Yet you believe that Luchanko can be a 1C. Yet, wait for it, he hasn't played a single pro game yet. You prove every day how full of it you are.
- MJL

I never said Luchanko is a 1C, I said the Flyers scouts believe he can be and that is why they drafted him. All I said is I think Luchanko is going to have a monster +1 season at Guelph.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Jul 29 @ 10:38 AM ET
Right now, probably not, and I am not saying I want them over the others either. All I am saying is you may be singing a very different tune next year at this time, you just don't know.
- jd250


Honestly. How can you have any faith that it will work out in the Flyers favor? They have been wrong on almost every personnel decision over the last 5 years. You have Briere who trained under the previous GM and Jonesy who has watched the Flyers do the same thing for two decades now. I do not see how it will change anytime soon.

Hopefully, Michkov is really entertaining or this team will be impossible to watch on a regular basis for the next 5 years.


jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jul 29 @ 10:42 AM ET
I don't just read reports and regurgitate the information. I watch a lot of hockey. The fact Buium was one of the youngest college hockey players and was playing as well as he did was something that caught me. I know Jett is young too, but he is also competing against kids more his age and and physical build.

Also, with the plan I thought would be better for the Flyers, the 2025 and 2026 draft has better centers. I would have traded Konecny and Laughton, tried to be a team to pick in top 5 and get my center then.

Jett I fee was a need pick instead of BPA. Maybe it works but wasn't how I thought they should have went about it.

- J35Bacher

I would have tried to do the same exact thing, that is why I am not in favor of what it appears Briere and Jones are trying to do. I think the Flyers had Jett and Buium pretty even and felt Jett had the higher upside so they picked him. We'll see how it works out. To be honest, I am happy TK will be a Flyer for life. I love him as a player and really want to root for a team that he is leading. What Briere has to do now IMO is trade some other players to balance things out. For example, I can't see the Flyers paying TK $8.75M while also paying Couts $7.75M.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 29 @ 10:43 AM ET
I never said Luchanko is a 1C, I said the Flyers scouts believe he can be and that is why they drafted him. All I said is I think Luchanko is going to have a monster +1 season at Guelph.
- jd250


Luchanko will not be an overager. Your rationale is badly flawed. In the history of the draft, players fall and they rise. Elite players slip through the cracks and are drafted later. Players are picked high that don't pan out and are busts. How have you not learned this. The fact remains that the Flyers reached for a lower rated player and their reasoning they gave for passing on Buium, borders on stupidity. Maybe they'll wind up correct. However the inconsistent reasoning you keep using such as about how many teams passed on a player, is foolish.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jul 29 @ 10:44 AM ET
Honestly. How can you have any faith that it will work out in the Flyers favor? They have been wrong on almost every personnel decision over the last 5 years. You have Briere who trained under the previous GM and Jonesy who has watched the Flyers do the same thing for two decades now. I do not see how it will change anytime soon.

Hopefully, Michkov is really entertaining or this team will be impossible to watch on a regular basis for the next 5 years.

- mickel25

Well, if this is true how can you have any hope Michkov is be any good either?
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jul 29 @ 10:47 AM ET
The flyers scouts are decent at finding NHL players. They aren't good at finding gems in the rough that turn out to be star players.
- bird_dog_pa

Hunter McDonald was a 6th round pick and might be playing with the Flyers this year. That is the definition of finding a gem in the late rounds.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Jul 29 @ 10:47 AM ET
Well, if this is true how can you have any hope Michkov is be any good either?
- jd250


Overwhelming majority of published scouting reports independent of the Flyers org have Michkov being a great player. Not a lock he will be a great player though. Flyers org has not gotten their grubby mitts on him yet.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jul 29 @ 10:48 AM ET
I would have tried to do the same exact thing, that is why I am not in favor of what it appears Briere and Jones are trying to do. I think the Flyers had Jett and Buium pretty even and felt Jett had the higher upside so they picked him. We'll see how it works out. To be honest, I am happy TK will be a Flyer for life. I love him as a player and really want to root for a team that he is leading. What Briere has to do now IMO is trade some other players to balance things out. For example, I can't see the Flyers paying TK $8.75M while also paying Couts $7.75M.
- jd250


But that is not what they said.

They said they already had smallish defenders in house like Drysdale, York and Andrae which is stupid thinking.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 29 @ 10:48 AM ET
I would have tried to do the same exact thing, that is why I am not in favor of what it appears Briere and Jones are trying to do. I think the Flyers had Jett and Buium pretty even and felt Jett had the higher upside so they picked him. We'll see how it works out. To be honest, I am happy TK will be a Flyer for life. I love him as a player and really want to root for a team that he is leading. What Briere has to do now IMO is trade some other players to balance things out. For example, I can't see the Flyers paying TK $8.75M while also paying Couts $7.75M.
- jd250


So you're admitting that when you argued against myself and numerous others about what Jones was saying in the presser that you linked to on youtube, that you were wrong?

Here are you are contradicting yourself again. After posting numerous times that you don't believe that Konecny should get an 8 year deal and if they sign him to one, you will be against it.

Now here you are saying you're happy that Konecny is a Flyer for life.

You can't see the Flyer paying Konecny 8.75M while also paying Couturier 7.75M? Seriously? LOL. They signed them to both deals.

Do you think at all when you post?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jul 29 @ 10:49 AM ET
Well, if this is true how can you have any hope Michkov is be any good either?
- jd250

talent is why. it was a no brainer pick
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 29 @ 10:49 AM ET
Hunter McDonald was a 6th round pick and might be playing with the Flyers this year. That is the definition of finding a gem in the late rounds.
- jd250


He has no chance of playing for the Flyers this season regularly. Doesn't he have to play a game first? A player has to do more than just play to be considered a gem. Man, you are clueless.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jul 29 @ 10:51 AM ET
Luchanko will not be an overager. Your rationale is badly flawed. In the history of the draft, players fall and they rise. Elite players slip through the cracks and are drafted later. Players are picked high that don't pan out and are busts. How have you not learned this. The fact remains that the Flyers reached for a lower rated player and their reasoning they gave for passing on Buium, borders on stupidity. Maybe they'll wind up correct. However the inconsistent reasoning you keep using such as about how many teams passed on a player, is foolish.
- MJL

Not at all. Its sound reasoning. The only reason people are complaining about the Luchanko pick was most pre-draft rankings had him being picked somewhere between 19 and 23, while Buium was projected to be picked between 3-7. The fact is Buium fell because 12 NHL teams preferred other players to Buium. Why is that? The Flyers passed on Buium and according to you they are stupid, but the teams picking between 3 and 7 are not stupid, is that right? Also, the Flyers did not reach for Luchanko at 13. No person with any real intelligence would call picking a player a few spots sooner than projected in the 1st round a reach.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jul 29 @ 10:51 AM ET
Hunter McDonald was a 6th round pick and might be playing with the Flyers this year. That is the definition of finding a gem in the late rounds.
- jd250

was waiting for the hunter hype train mention. you just take all they say as beyond gospel. they also say they love andrae. Loved desnoyers and so on and so on.
Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Jul 29 @ 10:52 AM ET
So you're admitting that when you argued against myself and numerous others about what Jones was saying in the presser that you linked to on youtube, that you were wrong?

Here are you are contradicting yourself again. After posting numerous times that you don't believe that Konecny should get an 8 year deal and if they sign him to one, you will be against it.

Now here you are saying you're happy that Konecny is a Flyer for life.

You can't see the Flyer paying Konecny 8.75M while also paying Couturier 7.75M? Seriously? LOL. They signed them to both deals.

Do you think at all when you post?

- MJL


With full NMC for the next 5 years to boot. They are both here to stay.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jul 29 @ 10:52 AM ET
The Flyers are sutpid because they mentioned Emil Andrae as a reason for not taking Buium, and because they told the world they would take a center for need before the draft.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jul 29 @ 10:53 AM ET
Not at all. Its sound reasoning. The only reason people are complaining about the Luchanko pick was most pre-draft rankings had him being picked somewhere between 19 and 23, while Buium was projected to be picked between 3-7. The fact is Buium fell because 12 NHL teams preferred other players to Buium. Why is that? The Flyers passed on Buium and according to you they are stupid, but the teams picking between 3 and 7 are not stupid, is that right? Also, the Flyers did not reach for Luchanko at 13. No person with any real intelligence would call picking a player a few spots sooner than projected in the 1st round a reach.
- jd250

so because you have andrae york and jd (none of whom project to be #1 dman) that qualifies as sound reasoning to not draft buium?
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jul 29 @ 10:54 AM ET
was waiting for the hunter hype train mention. you just take all they say as beyond gospel. they also say they love andrae. Loved desnoyers and so on and so on.
- hello it's me 2050

Why are you so down on Andrae? The kid had a really strong year at LHV and has shown he can play in bog international games and has strong leadership skills. Give the kid a break. You may see him this year playing in the NHL. I have watched HUnter for two years a Northeastern, I know the type of player he is and the leadership he also brings. I believe he has the size, speed and tenacity to be a very good NHL defenseman, and will flourish under Shaw's coaching.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jul 29 @ 10:55 AM ET
so because you have andrae york and jd (none of whom project to be #1 dman) that qualifies as sound reasoning to not draft buium?
- hello it's me 2050

Not at all, the Flyers still need a 1D IMO. I just do not believe Buium is that guy either. We'll have to revisit next year and see how it goes.
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