TK got hurt, I think it was an oblique injury which are very painful, late in the season and returned after he missed a few games, but never got back to the player he was before the injury. I don't believe it was as simple as TK got worn down with 25 games left in the season.
- jd250

The point is that it happens often. And It wont get better as he ages.

The point is that it happens often. And It wont get better as he ages.
- MBFlyerfan

Yes, he has had weird injuries it seems every year. I think he will have to alter the way he plays a bit, or just do more work in the gym. But the same with Drysdale.

this has been my experience also which is why I don't support the plan if this is what they plan on doing. And what else can they do? This Flyers team will be good enough to have a shot at the playoffs, meaning right now I project their first 1st round pick will be somewhere between 14-18. That is the definition of purgatory IMO.
- jd250

Between their goaltending, powerplay, weakness at center and lack of a 1D, I can’t see them making the playoffs or reaching last years point total. But they still won’t be bad enough to get the top 5 pick they so badly need.

I’m guessing 78-83 points and a pick in the 7-10 range.

Doing what you do best I see, trying everything you can to berate me. Well, this response isn't for you since you are as predictable as a doorknob and dumb as a stick, thus no matter what I post will not be understood. But for those on this site that I know read what I post with an open mind, especially those that have messaged me privately expressing their support, this one is for you.

I have posted from the very beginning that I love TK and want the Flyers to keep him. I posted numerous times that TK plays Flyers hockey, should have been made captain over Couts and be the face of the franchise. I have also posted, to your mochery, I would even want TK over a player like Pastrnak.

I also posted that I hoped Briere would be aggressive in this draft and trade into the top 10, maybe even into the top 5 and get a true 1D and 1C and move this rebuild forward. That of course didn't happen, though by all reports he tried.

When the Flyers came out of this year's draft with 6 picks in the first two rounds in next year's draft, a draft that Jones stated was a very important draft and one the Flyers needed to get right, I presumed the Flyers plan was to build through this draft. But I also posted that picking 16th, 23rd and 27th is not going to move the needle on this rebuild, that the Flyers needed to take a serious step back this year by trading veteran players to get into the 10, preferably the top 5, to get potential elite talent to move this rebuild forward. The news also broke that TK's camp was 1. asking for $10M AAV and 2, would dig in all the way to the end. Putting these two points together, I concluded that if the Flyers should trade TK, Laughton and Farabee to gain more draft capital and young players and set themselves up to get elite talent in the 2025 draft.

Then Hathaway gets extended, a year early, until he is 35 years old. Then TK gets his 8 year contract at a much better $8.75M AAV, and now the plan has been revealed a bit more. Now I believe Briere's plan is not to use all the 2025 picks to draft players, but to trade them along with other players for younger, up and coming players I presume and to use the cap space coming off the books to sign a free agent or two. Thus Briere is trying to do what Vegas has done, trade and sign their way to top contention. I don't agree with this plan because putting Vegas aside, in my experience this only gets you so far, maybe a couple of rounds in the playoffs, but it eventually falls apart. It could work, but if it were me I would build the way Colorado, Tampa and Florida did it, get elite talent in the draft to build a foundation, then make smart trades and free agent signings to augment the foundation. However this takes time, and I don't believe Briere and Jones want to wait that long. Thus I am happy TK is here, at least I have him to root for moving forward because I honestly don't have faith the plan I think the Flyers are going with will work enough to end the Cup drought.

So as you read this, you will see several of my posts word for word inserted so you can see there is no spin here. I'm done now.
- jd250

- yes he does losing hockey

- Had danny boy been actually rebuilding there would have been no need to try to move up. That is where they should have been from jump street. Well golly gee he tried. He tried doing something that is very rarely done. Also shows to me the flyers do not have attractive of enough pieces to move up. Despite what flyers fans say about their core players.

- Cracks me up how the focus is now the 2025 since they did nothing this summer. You eat it up hook line and sinker.

- much better number at 8.75 do you even listen to yourself?

- Will you ever admit that this franchise is stuck in neutral at best.

- The gm you love had 5 tradeable assets. He re-signed 4 and refuses to trade the other. Yes a rebuild damn it.

Between their goaltending, powerplay, weakness at center and lack of a 1D, I can’t see them making the playoffs or reaching last years point total. But they still won’t be bad enough to get the top 5 pick they so badly need.

I’m guessing 78-83 points and a pick in the 7-10 range.
- BiggE

With adding Michkov and subtracting Cam, plus thinking Foerster and Tippet will improve, and Couts will have a better season, I think the Flyers will be better than this. Still picking 7-10 would be nice.

- yes he does losing hockey

- Had danny boy been actually rebuilding there would have been no need to try to move up. That is where they should have been from jump street. Well golly gee he tried. He tried doing something that is very rarely done. Also shows to me the flyers do not have attractive of enough pieces to move up. Despite what flyers fans say about their core players.

- Cracks me up how the focus is now the 2025 since they did nothing this summer. You eat it up hook line and sinker.

- much better number at 8.75 do you even listen to yourself?

- Will you ever admit that this franchise is stuck in neutral at best.

- The gm you love had 5 tradeable assets. He re-signed 4 and refuses to trade the other. Yes a rebuild damn it.
- hello it's me 2050

I just posted several times I don't agree with their plan, what else do you want me to say?

Yes, McDavid was worn down. It was game 7 of the SCF and he had single handedly carried them there for the most part. He played 25 playoff games. He looked worn down. The problem was none of his teammates stepped up.

The point is that TK was wearing down by March. When he had 25 games left in the season.

The two examples aren't in the same universe.
- MBFlyerfan

In game 7 of the finals, playing against a great team. McDavid when on the ice dominated in shot attempts and scoring chances. I don't think he was worn down. I agree that regardless, not a comparable situation.

Doing what you do best I see, trying everything you can to berate me. Well, this response isn't for you since you are as predictable as a doorknob and dumb as a stick, thus no matter what I post will not be understood. But for those on this site that I know read what I post with an open mind, especially those that have messaged me privately expressing their support, this one is for you.

I have posted from the very beginning that I love TK and want the Flyers to keep him. I posted numerous times that TK plays Flyers hockey, should have been made captain over Couts and be the face of the franchise. I have also posted, to your mochery, I would even want TK over a player like Pastrnak.

I also posted that I hoped Briere would be aggressive in this draft and trade into the top 10, maybe even into the top 5 and get a true 1D and 1C and move this rebuild forward. That of course didn't happen, though by all reports he tried.

When the Flyers came out of this year's draft with 6 picks in the first two rounds in next year's draft, a draft that Jones stated was a very important draft and one the Flyers needed to get right, I presumed the Flyers plan was to build through this draft. But I also posted that picking 16th, 23rd and 27th is not going to move the needle on this rebuild, that the Flyers needed to take a serious step back this year by trading veteran players to get into the 10, preferably the top 5, to get potential elite talent to move this rebuild forward. The news also broke that TK's camp was 1. asking for $10M AAV and 2, would dig in all the way to the end. Putting these two points together, I concluded that the Flyers should trade TK, Laughton and Farabee to gain more draft capital and young players and set themselves up to get elite talent in the 2025 draft.

Then Hathaway gets extended, a year early, until he is 35 years old. Then TK gets his 8 year contract at a much better $8.75M AAV, and now the plan has been revealed a bit more. Now I believe Briere's plan is not to use all the 2025 picks to draft players, but to trade them along with other players for younger, up and coming players I presume and to use the cap space coming off the books to sign a free agent or two. Thus Briere is trying to do what Vegas has done, trade and sign their way to top contention. I don't agree with this plan because putting Vegas aside, in my experience this only gets you so far, maybe a couple of rounds in the playoffs, but it eventually falls apart. It could work, but if it were me I would build the way Colorado, Tampa and Florida did it, get elite talent in the draft to build a foundation, then make smart trades and free agent signings to augment the foundation. However this takes time, and I don't believe Briere and Jones want to wait that long. Thus I am happy TK is here, at least I have him to root for moving forward, because I honestly don't have faith in the plan I think Breire and Jones will execute will work well enough to end the cup drought.

So as you read this, you will see several of my posts word for word inserted so you can see there is no spin here. I'm done now.
- jd250

Why would I read something that long from you? You changed your position. Again! Why, because you watched a YouTube video. You're repeatedly influenced and flip flop from day to day.

As I posted, I think Briere's plan, based on his comments, is to trade and sign his way to these players. I wish him luck.
- jd250

Is this considered to be you admitting that you were wrong and didn't accurately interpret the press conference that you linked to with Keith Jones? That you argued about with me, Tomahawk and MB?

this has been my experience also which is why I don't support the plan if this is what they plan on doing. And what else can they do? This Flyers team will be good enough to have a shot at the playoffs, meaning right now I project their first 1st round pick will be somewhere between 14-18. That is the definition of purgatory IMO.
- jd250

Yet you've posted numerous times in the past that you think the Flyers can rebuild in 2-3 years.

No it’s not. I have bosses sleeping with regular workers for promotions at my job, which is clearly against the rules and everyone knows about it but what can we do? It’s naive to believe the world is fair and everyone is treated equally.
- roenick97

I did not say anything about fair. Torts lost credibility with his players last year. Do you have less respect for the bosses that slept with employees at this point? It sounds like you do.

Torts preaches accountability and then runs from being held accountable frequently. The players see that and eventually his shenanigans will grow tired. Nothing about being fair.

I just posted several times I don't agree with their plan, what else do you want me to say?
- jd250

Just yesterday, you posted approval of the Konecny deal. You can't reconcile that approval with stating you don't agree with their plan

With adding Michkov and subtracting Cam, plus thinking Foerster and Tippet will improve, and Couts will have a better season, I think the Flyers will be better than this. Still picking 7-10 would be nice.
- jd250

I view it this way….for Briere’s re-tool to work the Flyers still need to add at least two guys not currently in the organization that will be better than anything we currently have. A 1rst line C, superstar like….and a true #1 D. Finally fans are figuring it out that this is not a rebuild. I’ve always said I don’t care how he gets us there….but trying to remain a bubble team while still calling it a rebuild is idiotic. Literally the part of ANY (frank)ING REBUILD is the part where by team trades away core pieces for future assets….the hard part, because by doing so teams inevitably take steps back and that part leads to drafting higher. Briere has obviously chosen to skip that part.

Why would I read something that long from you? You changed your position. Again! Why, because you watched a YouTube video. You're repeatedly influenced and flip flop from day to day.
- MJL

As I stated, you are as predictable as a door knob.

I view it this way….for Briere’s re-tool to work the Flyers still need to add at least two guys not currently in the organization that will be better than anything we currently have. A 1rst line C, superstar like….and a true #1 D. Finally fans are figuring it out that this is not a rebuild. I’ve always said I don’t care how he gets us there….but trying to remain a bubble team while still calling it a rebuild is idiotic. Literally the part of ANY (frank)ING REBUILD is the part where by team trades away core pieces for future assets….the hard part, because by doing so teams inevitably take steps back and that part leads to drafting higher. Briere has obviously chosen to skip that part.
- landros 2

Briere has stated from the beginning this is not going to be a tear it down to the studs rebuild like they are doing in San Jose and Chicago. Briere has stated the Flyers have good players and wish to build upon them. You are correct, without a 1C and true 1D, this team is not going to seriously contend for a cup. I think recent cup winners have shown us you don't need a stud goalie, just one good enough to keep the team in games. The problem I see is without bottoming out and tanking at the right time, meaning the right draft, how are the Flyers getting the 1C and 1D? Is the plan to hope Luchanko is that guy or to keep drafting in the teens and 20s and hope that that player falls into their lap? Good luck with that. The Flyers already lost their top 5 pick in Gauthier, and if their luck holds, Michkov might not be the player they had hoped he would be. Then where are they? Unless a player like Matthew Tkachuk becomes available and the Flyers have the assets to acquire them, not sure how they plan to do it in the timeframe of the next couple of seasons, which is what the TK and Hathaway extensions indicate. Thus in the mean time, I will enjoy watching TK and younger players like Michkov and Foerster, and just put out of my mind this team will be anything more than an bubble team, because that is what they are now and I don't see a path for them to be more.

As I stated, you are as predictable as a door knob.
- jd250

You can't predict that the sun will come up.

I think TK is going to be very productive over the next 5 years, as long as the talent around him improves. The key will be for Briere to get some good centers on this team soon.
- jd250

And what has been said.
They need top end talent
Gotta draft it
Timeline
Tk for assets
Tk hurts draft position
How do they get top end talent (draft high)
Everyone knows tk is good (hurts draft position)
That is why you wanted him moved
Which was CORRECT
THIS IS A HORRIBLE DEAL ALL THE WAY AROUND FOR THESE REASONS AND SHOULD BE LAMBASTED

not made excuses for

Briere has stated from the beginning this is not going to be a tear it down to the studs rebuild like they are doing in San Jose and Chicago. Briere has stated the Flyers have good players and wish to build upon them. You are correct, without a 1C and true 1D, this team is not going to seriously contend for a cup. I think recent cup winners have shown us you don't need a stud goalie, just one good enough to keep the team in games. The problem I see is without bottoming out and tanking at the right time, meaning the right draft, how are the Flyers getting the 1C and 1D? Is the plan to hope Luchanko is that guy or to keep drafting in the teens and 20s and hope that that player falls into their lap? Good luck with that. The Flyers already lost their top 5 pick in Gauthier, and if their luck holds, Michkov might not be the player they had hoped he would be. Then where are they? Unless a player like Matthew Tkachuk becomes available and the Flyers have the assets to acquire them, not sure how they plan to do it in the timeframe of the next couple of seasons, which is what the TK and Hathaway extensions indicate. Thus in the mean time, I will enjoy watching TK and younger players like Michkov and Foerster, and just put out of my mind this team will be anything more than an bubble team, because that is what they are now and I don't see a path for them to be more.
- jd250

Just yesterday, you gave approval of the Konecny deal. Now today, you question how they're going to get the players they need, without bottoming out. How can you make that statement while approving of the Konecny deal. Speaking of being predictable.

You have also posted countless times that the Flyers can rebuild in 2-3 years. Now you don't see a path for them to be more than a bubble team.

You're not being forthcoming. After you moved off of realizing that he wasn't going to get 10M a year. You were still posting that you felt that that they needed to trade Konecny because he didn't fit the timeline. You've changed your mind about a dozen times. It all depends as usual, what you read or what you listened to that day. Whether it's a podcast, an article or a youtube video. You're incapable of coming to your own determination and are easily manipulated.
- MJL

The 90%ers

Fair but goalies are a dart throw in the draft and even year to year in the NHL. Build a good team and try to get lucky with an insane goalie playoff run.
- psuhockey

Like 2010? With Leighton. That’s why I discard any reference of 2010 because it’s such a rare thing for low level goalie to go on run with in playoffs

this has been my experience also which is why I don't support the plan if this is what they plan on doing. And what else can they do? This Flyers team will be good enough to have a shot at the playoffs, meaning right now I project their first 1st round pick will be somewhere between 14-18. That is the definition of purgatory IMO.
- jd250

Here’s what you and every flyers can do. Express outrage that they continue doing these things. Stop making excusss for them. Stop spending money on them. When enough people do this they will change.

Briere has stated from the beginning this is not going to be a tear it down to the studs rebuild like they are doing in San Jose and Chicago. Briere has stated the Flyers have good players and wish to build upon them. You are correct, without a 1C and true 1D, this team is not going to seriously contend for a cup. I think recent cup winners have shown us you don't need a stud goalie, just one good enough to keep the team in games. The problem I see is without bottoming out and tanking at the right time, meaning the right draft, how are the Flyers getting the 1C and 1D? Is the plan to hope Luchanko is that guy or to keep drafting in the teens and 20s and hope that that player falls into their lap? Good luck with that. The Flyers already lost their top 5 pick in Gauthier, and if their luck holds, Michkov might not be the player they had hoped he would be. Then where are they? Unless a player like Matthew Tkachuk becomes available and the Flyers have the assets to acquire them, not sure how they plan to do it in the timeframe of the next couple of seasons, which is what the TK and Hathaway extensions indicate. Thus in the mean time, I will enjoy watching TK and younger players like Michkov and Foerster, and just put out of my mind this team will be anything more than an bubble team, because that is what they are now and I don't see a path for them to be more.
- jd250

A tear down was never going to happen….but there are and we’re pieces to move…ie Konecny, Laughton, Sanheim, Farabee. There were signings NOT to make. The term “rebuild” was simply used to buy this new regime some extra time. To me it’s another Hextall type attempt at a re-tool. Its chances of working hinge on the draft and its success. One problem is the core is not nearly as good as a starting point that Hextall had to work with.

Fair but goalies are a dart throw in the draft and even year to year in the NHL. Build a good team and try to get lucky with an insane goalie playoff run.
- psuhockey

In the cap era an overwhelming amount of cup champs have won with a goalie they drafted.

I just posted several times I don't agree with their plan, what else do you want me to say?
- jd250

stop kissing their anus

I view it this way….for Briere’s re-tool to work the Flyers still need to add at least two guys not currently in the organization that will be better than anything we currently have. A 1rst line C, superstar like….and a true #1 D. Finally fans are figuring it out that this is not a rebuild. I’ve always said I don’t care how he gets us there….but trying to remain a bubble team while still calling it a rebuild is idiotic. Literally the part of ANY (frank)ING REBUILD is the part where by team trades away core pieces for future assets….the hard part, because by doing so teams inevitably take steps back and that part leads to drafting higher. Briere has obviously chosen to skip that part.
- landros 2

dont forget the goalie.....