https://x.com/NJDevils/status/1819058878736199746

Chuck Fletcher is employed again.

EDIT: Maybe there's hope we can send Ristolainen to New Jersey as a favor to Chuck.

Right. The most incestous front office in the NHL just happens to be doing the same poop year after year - but it’s all by chance.

Those alumni are all rats. Every single one. Let them stick to doing good work in the community, trot them out for some handshakes in the game days.

Clarke didn’t influence the hiring of Fletcher? Who supported the hiring of Torts? Jones to POHO? The hiring of other former Flyer family that was brought on this summer?


It’s those buffoons helping to hold this team back from an actual rebuild out of some BS Flyer pride. You can bet your ass on that.
- flyer_nutter

https://www.nytimes.com/a...ization-culture-fletcher/

In stepped Clarke. Less than 24 hours after Hextall was let go, Fletcher’s name popped up as a candidate — and it was no coincidence that Clarke had given Fletcher his first job in hockey in 1993. Fletcher was Clarke’s preferred option. He knew Fletcher to be a genuinely good person, and a collaborative GM at heart. Fletcher wouldn’t freeze out the alumni as Hextall had.
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The result — from the hiring of Fletcher to the continued presence of the old guard to the moves prioritizing toughness over skill and attitude over tangible results — is that the organization is in the worst position in its history. And those stewards of the culture — by relying on the culture itself — helped put it there.

Which makes it long past time to set aside said culture for good.

Damn. Maybe we should ask if the has transcripts or video? Otherwise he just made it up, right?

https://x.com/NJDevils/status/1819058878736199746

Chuck Fletcher is employed again.
- BaronVonShiznit

Well Stan Bowman just got the GM job for a team that just went to the Stanley Cup final which is really right up his alley since he inherited the CHI roster that won stanley cups.

https://x.com/NJDevils/status/1819058878736199746

Chuck Fletcher is employed again.

EDIT: Maybe there's hope we can send Ristolainen to New Jersey as a favor to Chuck.
- BaronVonShiznit

I swear competence is optional for most hockey front-office positions

I swear competence is optional for most hockey front-office positions


- Tomahawk

It's all about networking and connections same as with corporate boards. You never know when you might need to call on someone else to offer you a job.

https://x.com/NJDevils/status/1819058878736199746

Chuck Fletcher is employed again.

EDIT: Maybe there's hope we can send Ristolainen to New Jersey as a favor to Chuck.
- BaronVonShiznit

will RR ever play in a playoff game?

Yes, please share the inside information you have. Do you have transcripts of what was said in the room or phone calls between the two?
- WhiskeyMan

You seem unaware that there doesn't have to be transcripts or phone calls for there to be influence.

Welcome to 2024- where optics and perceptions are more meaningful than facts.
- missingmike

Here is a fact for you. The Flyers haven't been relevant as an NHL franchise in over a decade.

You seem unaware that there doesn't have to be transcripts or phone calls for there to be influence.
- MJL

So Homer did a Jedi mind trick. Gotcha!

https://www.nytimes.com/a...ization-culture-fletcher/

In stepped Clarke. Less than 24 hours after Hextall was let go, Fletcher’s name popped up as a candidate — and it was no coincidence that Clarke had given Fletcher his first job in hockey in 1993. Fletcher was Clarke’s preferred option. He knew Fletcher to be a genuinely good person, and a collaborative GM at heart. Fletcher wouldn’t freeze out the alumni as Hextall had.
...
The result — from the hiring of Fletcher to the continued presence of the old guard to the moves prioritizing toughness over skill and attitude over tangible results — is that the organization is in the worst position in its history. And those stewards of the culture — by relying on the culture itself — helped put it there.

Which makes it long past time to set aside said culture for good.

Damn. Maybe we should ask if the has transcripts or video? Otherwise he just made it up, right?
- Flyers_01

Clarkie spends more time in Florida than in Philly we have been told this numerous times I wish you people would let this go. I mean how can he influence stuff if he is not in the area!

🤣🤣🤣

The Devils have hired Chuck Fletcher as a senior advisor to general manager Fitzgerald! I don't know about you, but I would rather have Homer as an advisor than Fletcher! Wishing the Devils the luck they deserve with this one, here is hoping Fitsgerald listens to everything Chuck says!

https://x.com/NJDevils/status/1819058878736199746

Chuck Fletcher is employed again.

EDIT: Maybe there's hope we can send Ristolainen to New Jersey as a favor to Chuck.
- BaronVonShiznit

What has he done to still get jobs in the NHL? I give him credit for the Tippett deal here.

Without looking it up they drafted pretty bad under Holmgren no?
- hello it's me 2050

Nope. Simon Gagne, Justin Williams, Jeff Carter, Mike Richards, Patrick Sharp and Claude Giroux were all Flyers picks when Paul was delegated by Clarke to run the Drafting and scouting operations. As GM himself, JVR might not have been a home run at number 2 overall, but it wasn't any one's fault the Flyers didn't win the lottery for Patrick Kane. Couturier was the right choice at number 8 in 2011 after interceding at the final pre-draft meeting (although the consensus choice, Jonas Brodin, would have turned out fine, too).

The Flyers had some missteps. They over-traded 2nd rounders and had some misses in 2nd and 3rd rounds. But overall Holmgren was astute.

So Homer did a Jedi mind trick. Gotcha!
- WhiskeyMan

What makes you think Briere was anything but a Holmgren disciple to begin with?

Holmgren was the GM when Briere played for the Flyers. Holmgren gave him his first job outside of being a player by allowing Briere to shadow him for a couple of years. Holmgren was advising Fletcher when Briere became special assistant, and Holmgren is still around now.

It would be ridiculous to say Holmgren hasn't had a big influence on his career both as a player and an exec. It's crazy that this has to be pointed out.

It really is frustrating that people intentionally conflate influence with control but what makes you think that Briere's ideas on running a team greatly differed from Holmgren's in the first place?

Nope. Simon Gagne, Justin Williams, Jeff Carter, Mike Richards, Patrick Sharp and Claude Giroux were all Flyers picks when Paul was delegated by Clarke to run the Drafting and scouting operations. As GM himself, JVR might not have been a home run at number 2 overall, but it wasn't any one's fault the Flyers didn't win the lottery for Patrick Kane. Couturier was the right choice at number 8 in 2011 after interceding at the final pre-draft meeting (although the consensus choice, Jonas Brodin, would have turned out fine, too).

The Flyers had some missteps. They over-traded 2nd rounders and had some misses in 2nd and 3rd rounds. But overall Holmgren was astute.
- bmeltzer

The Flyers handled JVR poorly and the Luke Schenn trade which looked about as bad as the Risto trade, not that they both aren't NHL players, but both were overvalued relative to what it took to acquire them.

https://x.com/NJDevils/status/1819058878736199746

Chuck Fletcher is employed again.

EDIT: Maybe there's hope we can send Ristolainen to New Jersey as a favor to Chuck.
- BaronVonShiznit

Stupidity must be contagious within the Metro.

I can't see how anyone who could rub two brain cells together, look at what Fletcher did in Philly, and still say "this guy could definitely help our organization."

You are about 200 years late to that conclusion. It's just now that people admit it.

People base most of their decisions on how they feel about something rather than the pros vs cons of facts. Frequently the inferior product that has the better marketing wins.

Blue Ray vs HD DVD
Betamax vs VHS
Cigarettes for a very long time after they were known irrefutably to be bad.
Coke vs Pepsi
What people eat
How much they eat
Ponzi schemes
Housing Market collapse
etc.

As long as people are comfortable/happy they let someone else worry about the facts until/unless it becomes their problem.

Blue Ray won, not because it's a superior format, but because Sony released movies solely on Blue-Ray, and they put them in all their PS3 to have a ready base.

Anyway, back to sports. The facts say if you want to win the Stanley Cup the overwhelming favorite is to tear it down to the studs, draft elite talent, and build from there. They say the winners predominantly have elite talent at certain positions. Analytics say to avoid certain players or that certain players are undervalued. All facts.

The average fan doesn't care about the facts and doesn't want to care. Never has but i hear the Bullies won a cup 50 years ago, let's raise another glass.
- Flyers_01

We have now reached a post-marketing age. Lets say you get lots of data proving any one of those examples. The other party can just say "fake news, It's all made up."

Just like emojis are taking us back to the age of hieroglyphs and cave etchings for communication, we are also going back to a time before the age of reason.

Reality is what is convenient for you to believe. Stuff that is immediate. Apparent. Further analytics is not needed

You seem unaware that there doesn't have to be transcripts or phone calls for there to be influence.
- MJL

Yes, perhaps Homer is a master manipulator like Torts! Always good to know that you know more about the Flyers behind the scenes (and overall) than anyone.

I swear competence is optional for most hockey front-office positions


- Tomahawk

The part that I am utterly baffled about is...don't these guys care about profits?

Clarkie spends more time in Florida than in Philly we have been told this numerous times I wish you people would let this go. I mean how can he influence stuff if he is not in the area!

🤣🤣🤣
- corduroy

I'm sure Clarkie did have some say in the Fletcher hire, but that was almost 6 years ago and doesn't mean he is still involved as much now. Things can change in 6 years.

I'm sure Clarkie did have some say in the Fletcher hire, but that was almost 6 years ago and doesn't mean he is still involved as much now. Things can change in 6 years.
- Don Nachbaur

The article i linked to was from 2023 and was talking about the ongoing influence and the obsession with culture that is holding the Flyers back.

There's also plenty of people arguing for the last 6 years that the senior advisors never had any influence and that people were making it up. The main thing that's changed is people are finally admitting it.

The advisors are older and have less direct influence but the legacy lives on and they are on hand if anyone needs a reminder of the glory days.

Nope. Simon Gagne, Justin Williams, Jeff Carter, Mike Richards, Patrick Sharp and Claude Giroux were all Flyers picks when Paul was delegated by Clarke to run the Drafting and scouting operations. As GM himself, JVR might not have been a home run at number 2 overall, but it wasn't any one's fault the Flyers didn't win the lottery for Patrick Kane. Couturier was the right choice at number 8 in 2011 after interceding at the final pre-draft meeting (although the consensus choice, Jonas Brodin, would have turned out fine, too).

The Flyers had some missteps. They over-traded 2nd rounders and had some misses in 2nd and 3rd rounds. But overall Holmgren was astute.
- bmeltzer

Outside of Sharpe all 1st rd picks. Not all that great outside of that.

They did trade a lot of 2nds though they were contending so goes with the territory.

We have now reached a post-marketing age. Lets say you get lots of data proving any one of those examples. The other party can just say "fake news, It's all made up."

Just like emojis are taking us back to the age of hieroglyphs and cave etchings for communication, we are also going back to a time before the age of reason.

Reality is what is convenient for you to believe. Stuff that is immediate. Apparent. Further analytics is not needed
- PT21

Like believing that to Participate in a society one must take an experimental drug?

Appleyard recently came up with a roster of best Flyer draft picks from the past 20 years. The 7th best dman being Mark Friedman is not great.

van Riemsdyk-Giroux-Konecny
Farabee-Couturier-Lindblom
Laughton-Frost-Downie
Maroon-Patrick-Cousins
Foerster, NAK

Provorov-Gostisbehere
York-Sanheim
Sbisa-Hagg
Friedman

Hart
Stolarz
- Feanor

One bona-fide elite player

So any idea why Danny would invite him to sit in on a draft-related meeting?
- Tomahawk

To drive the conspiracy nuts on HB wild, of course