kind of it, everyone wants to draft and develop, well, you need to let them develop. Bonk could be 2nd pair, could be first, could be a bust, but I think we all want DB to hit on a pick, not just 1st round picks but a pick a like B Point in Tampa. What is Bonk, lets find out.
- wcorvette

It’s bad enough that the Flyers are redoing the Hextall draft plan of trying to outdraft their competition from the middle of the 1st round but they absolutely shouldn’t also mimic his overvalueing his own prospects by refusing to trade them.

kind of it, everyone wants to draft and develop, well, you need to let them develop. Bonk could be 2nd pair, could be first, could be a bust, but I think we all want DB to hit on a pick, not just 1st round picks but a pick a like B Point in Tampa. What is Bonk, lets find out.
- wcorvette

My hope is that he becomes a 2nd pair anchor or even a 1st pair "Robin".

Its good that his offensive game exploded in his D+1 season but that was mainly because he was playing the bumper on their lethal power play. I seriously doubt he plays that role in the NHL or even the AHL.

He seems like he will be a solid defensive dman who can chip in some offense. Pair him with an offensive guy like Drysdale and that may be a great 2nd pair at some point.

Of course the coach shares the blame for the worst PP in the league. All I am saying is I saw aspects of the Flyers PP improve as the season went along, things like zone entries, puck retrieval and puck possession. What killed the Flyers the most IMO on the PP was 1. poor o-zone faceoffs lead to lost possession and zone clears which in some cases costs the PP 30-40 seconds, and 2. Indecisiveness of the players once they had control to make plays; i.e. 2 passes and shoot the puck. There was no chemistry on the PP last year, or the year prior IMO, and when players are not on the same page that more than anything else sinks a PP.
- jd250

they have ZERO bumper, they lack the ability to go down low then feed the bumper, or from anywhere really. The slight success came from Zam, because he did get the puck to the net, which opened up other opportunities. You would hope MM and maybe a Frost and Drysdale would bring quick puck movement and skill to hit the open man.

My hope is that he becomes a 2nd pair anchor or even a 1st pair "Robin".

Its good that his offensive game exploded in his D+1 season but that was mainly because he was playing the bumper on their lethal power play. I seriously doubt he plays that role in the NHL or even the AHL.

He seems like he will be a solid defensive dman who can chip in some offense. Pair him with an offensive guy like Drysdale and that may be a great 2nd pair at some point.
- MBFlyerfan

If he could become Matt Carle that would be fantastic.

My hope is that he becomes a 2nd pair anchor or even a 1st pair "Robin".

Its good that his offensive game exploded in his D+1 season but that was mainly because he was playing the bumper on their lethal power play. I seriously doubt he plays that role in the NHL or even the AHL.

He seems like he will be a solid defensive dman who can chip in some offense. Pair him with an offensive guy like Drysdale and that may be a great 2nd pair at some point.
- MBFlyerfan

was thinking the same or top end, they find that #1 that allows him to be a #2 and York and Sanheim are 2nd pair.

The statement was "Hextall had a far superior prospect base for awhile". He did? Where are those prospects now? I would say that during Hextall's tenure as GM, the Flyers farm system was highly rated by the so-called experts, but in the end it produced very little beyond TK, Hart and Provorov. And I might add, Hart might be in jail by this time next year, and Provorov never blossomed into the player Hextall drafted him to be. So in the end, Hextall was a poor GM and this was proven in Pittsburgh where he didn't last 2 seasons.
- jd250

In this post, you're showing that you don't know what a prospect base is.

Just recently, you applied a standard for rating a draft. Specifically in regards to you supporting Flahr and his drafting. What was that standard?

was thinking the same or top end, they find that #1 that allows him to be a #2 and York and Sanheim are 2nd pair.
- wcorvette

A Buium/Bonk top pair......what may have been....

We'll see how Flahr's drafts turn out. We know how Hextall's drafts turned out.
- jd250

We do and according to your public stance. Hextall's drafts were pretty good.

You don't know what Bonk will be in a few years. If you want to believe he is not a top pairing defenseman so be it. But from what I have seen, I think the potential is there. He has the size and skills to be a top pairing RHS defenseman in the NHL and if there was a redraft of the 2024 Bonk would have been taken in the top 10 IMO.
- jd250

I'll use the same logic that use when arguing against those who wanted the Flyers to choose Buium. If Bonk has top pairing potential, why did 21 teams pass him up?

You just made a statement that others don't know what Bonk will be in a few years. How do you know that if there was a redraft, Bonk would go in the top 10?

A Buium/Bonk top pair......what may have been....
- MBFlyerfan

Ok, now I’m depressed.

they have ZERO bumper, they lack the ability to go down low then feed the bumper, or from anywhere really. The slight success came from Zam, because he did get the puck to the net, which opened up other opportunities. You would hope MM and maybe a Frost and Drysdale would bring quick puck movement and skill to hit the open man.
- wcorvette

I was reading on the hockey writers about the flyers PP and that while the PP and Drysdale didn't produce at all last year, that Drysdale's underlying stats weren't so bad. They were saying that it's largely a product of the lack of skill we can put out there around him. So maybe there's hope that he can be a real PP QB eventually and hopefully him being healthy/having a full camp with the team/having MM might help this year. Having said that, I would definitely have canned Rocky as a large part of the issue is the static nature of the PP which to me is coaching.

A Buium/Bonk top pair......what may have been....
- MBFlyerfan

Yeah. Jet may eventually pan out to be solid, but it's hardest to find that #1 d man component.

I was reading on the hockey writers about the flyers PP and that while the PP and Drysdale didn't produce at all last year, that Drysdale's underlying stats weren't so bad. They were saying that it's largely a product of the lack of skill we can put out there around him. So maybe there's hope that he can be a real PP QB eventually and hopefully him being healthy/having a full camp with the team/having MM might help this year. Having said that, I would definitely have canned Rocky as a large part of the issue is the static nature of the PP which to me is coaching.
- Hextall271

I’m within the belief that not only are the Flyers missing a distributor of the puck on the half wall (hopefully Michkov is it) but they could also use a net front presence of some sort. The lack of puck movement and taking away the goalie’s eyes last season was ridiculous.

I’m within the belief that not only are the Flyers missing a distributor of the puck on the half wall (hopefully Michkov is it) but they could also use a net front presence of some sort. The lack of puck movement and taking away the goalie’s eyes last season was ridiculous.
- roenick97

I also wish I had a dollar for every time they passed up a one timer from the circle, and instead caught the puck allowing the defense to get to them.

Their whole strategy seemed to be, stand around and do nothing while the guy with the puck tries to force a pass, or force a shot through traffic from the point.

I was reading on the hockey writers about the flyers PP and that while the PP and Drysdale didn't produce at all last year, that Drysdale's underlying stats weren't so bad. They were saying that it's largely a product of the lack of skill we can put out there around him. So maybe there's hope that he can be a real PP QB eventually and hopefully him being healthy/having a full camp with the team/having MM might help this year. Having said that, I would definitely have canned Rocky as a large part of the issue is the static nature of the PP which to me is coaching.
- Hextall271

Out of the main 4 defenseman used on the PP. Zamula, York, Sanheim and Drysdale. Drysdale had the lowest point production rate out of all 4. Small sample size comparitively though.

I’m within the belief that not only are the Flyers missing a distributor of the puck on the half wall (hopefully Michkov is it) but they could also use a net front presence of some sort. The lack of puck movement and taking away the goalie’s eyes last season was ridiculous.
- roenick97

I agree with you on the net front presence. No idea who we can use to fill that role but they'll have to earmark someone. Last year, it was almost like they purposefully wanted to be conservative and run out the 2 mins without having a shortie scored on them. Not the way to win.

I am encouraged that maybe Drysdale isn't as bad a PP QB as I thought.

Out of the main 4 defenseman used on the PP. Zamula, York, Sanheim and Drysdale. Drysdale had the lowest point production rate out of all 4. Small sample size comparitively though.
- MJL

Yes. While the point production was very low, the article said that the underlying stats state that it is more because of the lack of talent around.

Yes. While the point production was very low, the article said that the underlying stats state that it is more because of the lack of talent around.
- Hextall271

Zamula, York and Sanheim played with the same lack of talent around.

My hope is that he becomes a 2nd pair anchor or even a 1st pair "Robin".

Its good that his offensive game exploded in his D+1 season but that was mainly because he was playing the bumper on their lethal power play. I seriously doubt he plays that role in the NHL or even the AHL.

He seems like he will be a solid defensive dman who can chip in some offense. Pair him with an offensive guy like Drysdale and that may be a great 2nd pair at some point.
- MBFlyerfan

agree though will they at least try it seeing the success he had?

Yes. While the point production was very low, the article said that the underlying stats state that it is more because of the lack of talent around.
- Hextall271

I wouldn’t go back to Zamula on the power play. In my opinion, it’s not a question of whether or not he was good there. It’s more likely, the other guys were just that bad. I think the Flyers need to make it work with players like York and Drydale because they’re expected to do better in that situation. Drysdale almost gets a pass from me. Rough season. The guy is gonna need his shoulders to be healthy to be anything special at the top of the umbrella.

Wait. Are you finally admitting Myers doesn’t have good hockey sense?
- Peter Richards

Average sense paired with a penchant for puck panic and rushed/poor development.

I don't believe you can be a 15+ NHL dman w/ just average sense anymore tho.

was thinking the same or top end, they find that #1 that allows him to be a #2 and York and Sanheim are 2nd pair.
- wcorvette

by the time the flyers are ready to contend, if they get there, will sanheims play have dropped off? we are talking about 4/5 years at least and he will be 32 with a lot of mileage.

The statement was "Hextall had a far superior prospect base for awhile". He did?
- jd250

Yes.

Where the prospects are now is hindsight and irrelevant to the point that he was making. There was a time (post 2017 draft) when the Flyers pipeline was the envy of the entire league, according to experts, fans, major publications, EVERYBODY.

It's just a fact.

Cautionary tale really. Get excited about Flahr's picks at your own peril. The Flyers have always seemed to find ways to rush/stunt/ruin/infuriate/misjudge their prospects.

Here's hoping Michkov will be like Giroux and rise above the development clown show.

Average sense paired with a penchant for puck panic and rushed/poor development.

I don't believe you can be a 15+ NHL dman w/ just average sense anymore tho.
- Tomahawk

every failure isnt because of rushed/ poor development. When he had that good half year was anyone sayin poor development then? In time he got exposed and is not an everyday nhl damn. Maybe there was a reason he wasn't drafted after all.

Yes.

Where the prospects are now is hindsight and irrelevant to the point that he was making. There was a time (post 2017 draft) when the Flyers pipeline was the envy of the entire league, according to experts, fans, major publications, EVERYBODY.

It's just a fact.

Cautionary tale really. Get excited about Flahr's picks at your own peril. The Flyers have always seemed to find ways to rush/stunt/ruin/infuriate/misjudge their prospects.

Here's hoping Michkov will be like Giroux and rise above the development clown show.
- Tomahawk

Here's hoping we have a good group of the prospects rise above the clownshow.