I guess because as of now Vlasic has completely outplayed him with AHL forwards. I didn't watch Broberg that closely but it's not like I kept saying to myself who is that defenseman in the playoffs. I guess if you want to pay a 3rd pairing dman all that money, he's going to St Louis.

Personally i think it's bad business handing out offer sheets.
- BetweenTheDots

Why?

Holloway (2x $2,290,457) and Broberg (2 x$4,580,917)

I would resign Hollaway and let Broberg walk

Compensation is 3rd rounder for Hollaway, second rounder for Broberg.
- LAHawk

They will re-invest in not trading away Kane, and re-sign both Broberg & Holloway and look for offers slightly higher than the compensation and then trade one or both, similar to the Hawks run Hammer & Niemi.

I like Holloway and would love to see him in the Indianhead sweater.

Blues do need more young backlliners...

Why is Vlasic the comp? They are different types of D-men. Vlasic was given an opportunity to play 82 games and Broberg was held back as the Oilers were cup hunting (and he did quite well in the playoffs).
- Chunk

Some are saying worst case scenario he's Vlasic, I'm just pointing out no he's not and he has a long ways to go to be that good defensively or just a good defenseman.

The good news is he'll get every opportunity to play with inferior forwards in St. Louis.

And you are right they are 2 different dmen, Vlasic held his own for 21 minutes a night against the toughest competition, Broberg had a good 10 games in the playoffs playing 3rd pairing minutes. He's really just an AHL dman now, but i love this move by the Blues and hope they get Broberg.

Why?
- Chunk

Because of what Carolina did to the Habs after the Habs front loaded an offer to Aho, i think it was Aho. Just saying now you put a target on your back.

They will re-invest in not trading away Kane, and re-sign both Broberg & Holloway and look for offers slightly higher than the compensation and then trade one or both, similar to the Hawks run Hammer & Niemi.

I like Holloway and would love to see him in the Indianhead sweater.

Blues do need more young backlliners...
- wiz1901

Well Bowman has something beside the Draisalti contract to iron out. We will learn whether he made good decisions after all movement in players and player contracts is settled

It would be hysterical if Bowman actually made a trade and moved Holloway while getting Saad! (Not that I expect it to occur).

Some are saying worst case scenario he's Vlasic, I'm just pointing out no he's not and he has a long ways to go to be that good defensively or just a good defenseman.

The good news is he'll get every opportunity to play with inferior forwards in St. Louis.

And you are right they are 2 different dmen, Vlasic held his own for 21 minutes a night against the toughest competition, Broberg had a good 10 games in the playoffs playing 3rd pairing minutes. He's really just an AHL dman now, but i love this move by the Blues and hope they get Broberg.
- BetweenTheDots

He also only has two years, so it’s not like they are committing long term to the guy. Yeah the AAV is a bit surprising, but the two contracts are not equal.

Because of what Carolina did to the Habs after the Habs front loaded an offer to Aho, i think it was Aho. Just saying now you put a target on your back.
- BetweenTheDots

Carolina was always going to sign Aho, MTL just set the number for them. I think that’s overblown. A GM can easily get around that by extending his guys early on.

Carolina was always going to sign Aho, MTL just set the number for them. I think that’s overblown. A GM can easily get around that by extending his guys early on.
- Chunk

Sure but then Carolina repaid the favor by signing Kotkaniemi.

Sure but then Carolina repaid the favor by signing Kotkaniemi.
- BetweenTheDots

But did they??? In the end, I would consider that one at that number to be a win for MTL.

Digging the roster for Tom Kurvers this year. Starting to see the draft picks playing together.

https://www.yardbarker.co...eleased/s1_16931_40742535

Add: Interesting that the only two FA signings for this are both North Bay Dmen, or looks like one was just traded

But did they??? In the end, I would consider that one at that number to be a win for MTL.
- vabeachbear

I guess that's true, they both lost in the deal, i think the Habs used that 1st pick and a 2nd to trade for Dvorak. I'm just glad KD didn't make this offer for Broberg.

I keep hearing how easy being GM for the Blackhawks is right now, is it though? I think patience is a very underrated skill.

I guess that's true, they both lost in the deal, i think the Habs used that 1st pick and a 2nd to trade for Dvorak. I'm just glad KD didn't make this offer for Broberg.

I keep hearing how easy being GM for the Blackhawks is right now, is it though? I think patience is a very underrated skill.
- BetweenTheDots

Forget the contract size, as Chunk said it is only for 2 years, and St. Louis has the space> would Broberg for #41 in next years draft (which is the compensation for the offer sheet) be a fair trade?

If you are going to look at contract value vs. player value without any other context, you can argue that at least 1/2 the Hawks contracts wouldn't be touched by any other GM in the league.

They will re-invest in not trading away Kane, and re-sign both Broberg & Holloway and look for offers slightly higher than the compensation and then trade one or both, similar to the Hawks run Hammer & Niemi.

I like Holloway and would love to see him in the Indianhead sweater.

Blues do need more young backlliners...
- wiz1901

The Oilers can't trade them now for at least 1 year. They are not allowed to trade the players rights during these 7 days and if they match the contract they are not allowed to trade the player for a period of 1 year from the date they matched the offer.

Forget the contract size, as Chunk said it is only for 2 years, and St. Louis has the space> would Broberg for #41 in next years draft (which is the compensation for the offer sheet) be a fair trade?

If you are going to look at contract value vs. player value without any other context, you can argue that at least 1/2 the Hawks contracts wouldn't be touched by any other GM in the league.
- LAHawk

I'm curious if a move(s) like this by STL opens up more offer sheets the future.

One other thing about Kurvers rookie showcase;

Tnias Mathurin, who was signed as an OHL FA by the Hawks for this was a 2020 5th rd pick of the Red Wings, how or why is he able to sign with the Hawks for this?

I'm curious if a move(s) like this by STL opens up more offer sheets the future.
- vabeachbear

Actually pretty smart by St. Louis. They must of decided Broberg was worth a second rounder, and Holloway a third, and if Edmonton matches, no harm on the Blues end.

Plus by rules offer sheet compensation have to be the team's own draft choices, so even if you would give a second rounder for Holloway, they could not because it was used for the Broberg offer. And St. Louis had to go and trade to get back those draft choices as they were traded away in other deals. Looks like Armstrong and his staff put a great deal of thought into doing the offer sheets.

One other thing about Kurvers rookie showcase;

Tnias Mathurin, who was signed as an OHL FA by the Hawks for this was a 2020 5th rd pick of the Red Wings, how or why is he able to sign with the Hawks for this?
- vabeachbear

Redwings didn't sign him on time.

https://thehockeynews.com...Agreement%20section%208.6.

Redwings didn't sign him on time.

https://thehockeynews.com...Agreement%20section%208.6.
- breadbag

"Tnias Mathurin, North Bay Battalion, LHD

For an overager in the OHL, Tnias Mathurin played rather few games at just 96 in the regular season and 40 in the playoffs across four seasons. It wasn’t exactly a situation he could control — COVID-19 shut down his rookie 2020-21 season, and he hurt his shoulder shortly after being drafted in 2022 which made him miss all but one regular season game and the playoffs in 2022-23. Considering how important it is for hockey players to develop through playing games, Mathurin has some catching up to do.

When he was drafted, the idea with Mathurin was that the shutdown defender could develop a bit of playmaking to his game. In the few contests that circumstances allowed him, Mathurin showed an alright scoring touch but not one that was truly dominant at the OHL level. His 17 points this season ranked 71st among OHL defensemen. But, this performance exists in context. Mathurin played for a North Bay team that didn’t really task him with scoring a whole lot, instead giving those active defense duties to Seattle Kraken draftee Ty Nelson on the first pair.

Instead, Mathurin and defense partner Paul Christopoulos were tasked more so as a shutdown unit, leaning into Mathurin’s defensive specialties rather than trying to evolve him into a larger role. This worked for the Battalion to win games — they made the conference finals for the third straight season — even if it didn’t put Mathurin in position to show he can be an impact player at the next level. Perhaps with more games, though, Mathurin could have become the contributor from an offensive standpoint that his draft year projections had hoped for.

In the NHL today, it’s exceedingly difficult for defensive defensemen to carve out a niche as more and more teams seek offensive contributions from all 18 skaters. As much as Mathurin can impact a game with his defensive tools — especially size and reach at 6-foot-3 — it would be risky to bet on Mathurin with a contract given his one-dimensionality."

Redwings didn't sign him on time.

https://thehockeynews.com...Agreement%20section%208.6.
- breadbag

I guess if you go to college, the signing deadline is longer? Just surprised 2022 picks are already out of time.

I guess if you go to college, the signing deadline is longer? Just surprised 2022 picks are already out of time.
- vabeachbear

I think for college players, it's based on when they leave college, the team has a short time window once they are finished with college to sign them. I think the period in college goes up to 4 years.

Well Bowman has something beside the Draisalti contract to iron out. We will learn whether he made good decisions after all movement in players and player contracts is settled

It would be hysterical if Bowman actually made a trade and moved Holloway while getting Saad! (Not that I expect it to occur).
- jhawk59

Saad has a full NTC for the upcoming season.

Sure but then Carolina repaid the favor by signing Kotkaniemi.
- BetweenTheDots

And it bit Carolina in the ass. Offer sheets are part of the CBA, and I don't really think GM's will get too butt hurt over another team using them. It all evens out over time. You aren't going to not trade with another GM if they have a deal that will improve your team just because they offer sheeted one of your players.

Digging the roster for Tom Kurvers this year. Starting to see the draft picks playing together.

https://www.yardbarker.co...eleased/s1_16931_40742535

Add: Interesting that the only two FA signings for this are both North Bay Dmen, or looks like one was just traded
- vabeachbear

An interesting thing to watch would be to see who plays better between Dach and Hayes. They seem to be similarly built players, but Dach plays more of a power game (or at least tries), and Hayes is more of a shooter (and a bit of a playmaker). I've not seen him play a real power game, but admittedly I've only seen him play about two and a half games total.

Can't judge Kyle until we know what Korchinski, Arty, Nazar, Moore and some of the other draft picks are. As well as seeing how he manages the cap with the younger players who start to prove themselves and veterans.

A bit easier to deal from a spot where they won't be held immediately accountable for on ice results and there are no cap restrictions one way or another.

Tearing it down and throwing darts was the easy part.
- fattybeef

The trades for picks were fine/fair. It's how well we draft that will be scrutinized.

Because of what Carolina did to the Habs after the Habs front loaded an offer to Aho, i think it was Aho. Just saying now you put a target on your back.
- BetweenTheDots

But once McDavid is signed, Edmonton won't be able to do anything about it without tearing their team down. They'll be in cap hell until y3k.