I am guessing the bad knees kind of sapped his mobility, so he couldn't play that knife's edge to overcome his other deficiencies. It definitely trashed his confidence. He tried to push the envelope and his legs betrayed him.

Since the trade he has put up seasons of 51, 41, and 56 points while playing 82, 75, and 81 games. Its one of my most hated trades this franchise ever did.
- MBFlyerfan

He has also been a very high minus player as well. Ghost is a huge liability on D. It was a bad trade in the sense that we gave up a ton to move him just to get a discoiunt version of him but it is not a mistake to move on from him.

Flyers PP sucks because they are a rush team, they are not good at generating scoring chances cycling. Having Ghost would not fix the abysmal PP

We've seen them get excited about this type of player before... Sam Morin, Oliver Lauridsen, Jack St. Ivany, Kevin Marshall, David Printz... it always plays out the same way.

If a guy doesn't have talent all the size/moxie/intangibles in the world isn't gonna turn him into an NHL player.
- Tomahawk

I think he does have the talent to be a very good NHL defenseman, not an elite or even a 3 time all-star defenseman, but a very good one none the less.

My exact lines in NHL '24

- MBFlyerfan

let us know how it goes, maybe you can feed your results to the Flyers analytics department

On a serious note however, I think Tomahawk brings up a good point. Torts is the wildcard in all this. If I were Briere I would make it clear to him that this is the way I want you the coach, no exceptions. Key points would be:

1. Morgan Frost plays 2C the entire year and does not sit at all unless he is hurt. No more benching the kid. We are going to let him play out the season and see whether or not we are going to commit to him or trade him.

2. Michkov plays top line the entire season and does not sit at all unless he is hurt. Michkov also gets top PP minutes.

3. Drysdale is the PP1 QB for the entire season, this does not change unless he gets hurt.

4. Brink plays in the top 9 period. He at no time sits or gets demoted to the 4th line.

5. EJ and Deslauriers play sparingly, no more than 20 games each this season.

We need to see what we have with these players and we can't do that if they are not playing or getting yanked all over the lineup. If Torts refuses, I would fire him.

I think he does have the talent to be a very good NHL defenseman, not an elite or even a 3 time all-star defenseman, but a very good one none the less.
- jd250

So you think he's Colton Parayko or something?

Its not my standard, its the standard that I have learned that most NHL organizations have when evaluating a draft, that if they can get 2 players from a draft that play 200+ NHL games, then that is a good draft. Getting 3 players with 200+ games is a great draft. Of course, there are 4th lines players and 1st line players so this has to be considered.
- jd250

I think you've made another learning error. You need to learn context and how that comes into play. To illustrate it to you, as an example. Nolan Patrick was drafted 2nd overall and has played 200+ NHL games. Was he a good pick? In contrast, Oskar Lindblom was taken in the 5th round and played 337 NHL games. That's a good pick.

let us know how it goes, maybe you can feed your results to the Flyers analytics department

On a serious note however, I think Tomahawk brings up a good point. Torts is the wildcard in all this. If I were Briere I would make it clear to him that this is the way I want you the coach, no exceptions. Key points would be:

1. Morgan Frost plays 2C the entire year and does not sit at all unless he is hurt. No more benching the kid. We are going to let him play out the season and see whether or not we are going to commit to him or trade him.

2. Michkov plays top line the entire season and does not sit at all unless he is hurt. Michkov also gets top PP minutes.

3. Drysdale is the PP1 QB for the entire season, this does not change unless he gets hurt.

4. Brink plays in the top 9 period. He at no time sits or gets demoted to the 4th line.

5. EJ and Deslauriers play sparingly, no more than 20 games each this season.

We need to see what we have with these players and we can't do that if they are not playing or getting yanked all over the lineup. If Torts refuses, I would fire him.
- jd250

no gm is going to tell a coach that as circumstances will always change.

why would you not want frost with MM?

I think you've made another learning error. You need to learn context and how that comes into play. To illustrate it to you, as an example. Nolan Patrick was drafted 2nd overall and has played 200+ NHL games. Was he a good pick? In contrast, Oskar Lindblom was taken in the 5th round and played 337 NHL games. That's a good pick.
- MJL

did he not mention their are 1st and 4th line players so it has to be considered? of course he did you just overlooked it.

I'm not saying he is a top pairing defenseman, not at all. Just saying I think he is going to be a good player in terms of being a stay at home defender, good size, good legs, smart player and a leader.
- jd250

He might turn out to be a depth NHL defenseman or a player the Flyers over value. Doubtful he becomes any kind of impact player.

other teams are schitting their pants.

Frost should be with MM to start and not really debatable to me.
- hello it's me 2050

Coots is a better fit given MM alleged personality issues IMO. MM will probably lose his poop on Frost if he isnt good enough which last season was 50/50 for Frost

He has also been a very high minus player as well. Ghost is a huge liability on D. It was a bad trade in the sense that we gave up a ton to move him just to get a discoiunt version of him but it is not a mistake to move on from him.

Flyers PP sucks because they are a rush team, they are not good at generating scoring chances cycling. Having Ghost would not fix the abysmal PP
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Gostisbehere is not a huge liability defensively. In his career, he has actually been solid in transition defense and in defending the blue line. It's down low and in the corners, where he is suspect.

Coots is a better fit given MM alleged personality issues IMO. MM will probably lose his poop on Frost if he isnt good enough which last season was 50/50 for Frost
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

not sure how ex selke is a better fit seeing how he ended the season. I know he was injured.

I want my best offensive center with MM who can set him up. For better or worse that is frost for me.

Gostisbehere is not a huge liability defensively. In his career, he has actually been solid in transition defense and in defending the blue line. It's down low and in the corners, where he is suspect.
- MJL

he is not good defensively. that is why he is a 3rd pairing dman.

not sure how ex selke is a better fit seeing how he ended the season. I know he was injured.

I want my best offensive center with MM who can set him up. For better or worse that is frost for me.
- hello it's me 2050

You can get him with Frost eventually, Im just saying start with Coots. Couturier will be fresh and healthy again so we are going to see the Couturier we had in the 1st half of last season. If Couturier can stay healthy he should be in the 50-60 point range, If we are lucky he can get back to the 70 point range he saw before his injury. At best I think Frost gets 50-60 as well. Coots is not the flashiest player but he thinks the game at a high level. He knows were to be, where to go and reads the plays

As far as Forwards go I would like to see the following this season

Frost: 50-60 points
Couturier: 50-60 points
Farabee: 60 points
Tippett: 30 Goals 60 points
Konecny: 70 points
Michkov: 60 points(This could be a little overly optimistic for a rookie but he is the Calder favourite right now)
Foerster: 40 points
Brink: 40 points
Laughton: 40 points

15-20 points for the 4th line guys

Gostisbehere is not a huge liability defensively. In his career, he has actually been solid in transition defense and in defending the blue line. It's down low and in the corners, where he is suspect.
- MJL

97.1 the ticket in Detroit just told me the other day that Ghost was not a strong defensive defenseman, which I agree with…but than of course they signed Erik Gustafsson

You can get him with Frost eventually, Im just saying start with Coots. Couturier will be fresh and healthy again so we are going to see the Couturier we had in the 1st half of last season. If Couturier can stay healthy he should be in the 50-60 point range, If we are lucky he can get back to the 70 point range he saw before his injury. At best I think Frost gets 50-60 as well. Coots is not the flashiest player but he thinks the game at a high level. He knows were to be, where to go and reads the plays

As far as Forwards go I would like to see the following this season

Frost: 50-60 points
Couturier: 50-60 points
Farabee: 60 points
Tippett: 30 Goals 60 points
Konecny: 70 points
Michkov: 60 points(This could be a little overly optimistic for a rookie but he is the Calder favourite right now)
Foerster: 40 points
Brink: 40 points
Laughton: 40 points

15-20 points for the 4th line guys
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

So you're expecting the Flyers to be one of the better offensive teams in the league next season? How many team last season had 9 forwards with 40 or more points?

So you're expecting the Flyers to be one of the better offensive teams in the league next season? How many team last season had 9 forwards with 40 or more points?
- MJL

Since when has I would like to see == I expect?

Nothing listed is all that unreasonable either.

Konecny had 68 points last year. Just needs 2 points, probably hits it if he plays a full 82 games

Tippett had 28 goals, 53 points. Only 2 goals and 7 points to hit 60

Farabee had 50 points. Had a very strong first half, absolutely died like the rest of the team in the 2nd half. 10 point gain is not a huge leap.

Coots was hurt and has missed 2 seasons. Not unreasonable for him to hit at least 50

Frost had 41 points in an inconsistent year. minimum of 9 extra points isnt a huge leap.

Laughton 39 points last season.

Foerster, 33 points last season

Brink 23 points. Maybe 40 for him is a little bit of a stretch.

The 4th line guys all had between 15-20 points.

Many of the players listed are 25 and under. It is not unrealistic to see them take steps forward and produce more.

I dont expect every player to hit those metrics. Some I do. I would expect Couturier to bounce back. Another season like last year is not acceptable for him. I dont expect Michkov to hit 60, I would like to see him hit 60 though. It would be very encouraging to see him succeed right off the bat.

Fixing the PP absolutely helps most of these players hit those totals as well.

Since when has I would like to see == I expect?

Nothing listed is all that unreasonable either.

Konecny had 68 points last year. Just needs 2 points, probably hits it if he plays a full 82 games

Tippett had 28 goals, 53 points. Only 2 goals and 7 points to hit 60

Farabee had 50 points. Had a very strong first half, absolutely died like the rest of the team in the 2nd half. 10 point gain is not a huge leap.

Coots was hurt and has missed 2 seasons. Not unreasonable for him to hit at least 50

Frost had 41 points in an inconsistent year. minimum of 9 extra points isnt a huge leap.

Laughton 39 points last season.

Foerster, 33 points last season

Brink 23 points. Maybe 40 for him is a little bit of a stretch.

The 4th line guys all had between 15-20 points.

Many of the players listed are 25 and under. It is not unrealistic to see them take steps forward and produce more.

I dont expect every player to hit those metrics. Some I do. I would expect Couturier to bounce back. Another season like last year is not acceptable for him. I dont expect Michkov to hit 60, I would like to see him hit 60 though. It would be very encouraging to see him succeed right off the bat.

Fixing the PP absolutely helps most of these players hit those totals as well.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Like to see or expect to see is just semantics. Not a single NHL team did that last season. It's not realistic. It comes down to ice time and PP ice time.

no gm is going to tell a coach that as circumstances will always change.

why would you not want frost with MM?
- hello it's me 2050

I think Michkov, since he is a rookie, would be better off with Couturier so he can learn.