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jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Aug 11 @ 9:12 PM ET
Surprising that CHandler Stephenson is still unsigned.
- MJL


Chandler Stephenson is heading north, but staying west. The former Vegas Golden Knights centre has signed a seven-year deal with an average annual value of $6.25 million with the Seattle Kraken. Stephenson, 30, had 16 goals and 35 assists for 51 points in 75 games for the Golden Knights last season.

Tisk Tisk .. you're losing your touch!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 11 @ 10:07 PM ET
It's August, so I'm looking for anything new about the Flyers. I thought this prospect report for the Flyers was well done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee-yC-oEg80
I think Sabastian High did a good job but I felt he was trying to be more positive than maybe what the reality is. In the end he gave the Flyers a B draft grade and a B prospect pool grade, but noted there is no high top line or top D talent in the system except Michkov, a lot of middle 6 and bottom 6 forwards and mid level defenseman. I am really hoping Jett Luchanko pops in his +1 year, otherwise Briere is going to hear it loud and clear from the fan base for passing on Buium.

- jd250


You keep posting about Luchanko's D+1 year. He was drafted at 17 years old. It will have nothing to do with how the fan base ultimately judges the pick. How both turn out as NHL players will.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Aug 11 @ 10:27 PM ET
Danny B gets a B+ grade on Boomer's (Sirius/XM NHL radio) GM report card. The same guy gave the Penwhines Kyle Dubas a D- for his grade. Boomer is usually pretty tough on those report cards, so I'm a bit baffled here. It's actually quite comical how so many folks on here thought that the rebuild would continue once Michkov said that he was coming over this summer. People really think this team is gonna tank with their new shiny toy in the fold. Shame on you!!
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Aug 11 @ 10:32 PM ET
Chandler Stephenson is heading north, but staying west. The former Vegas Golden Knights centre has signed a seven-year deal with an average annual value of $6.25 million with the Seattle Kraken. Stephenson, 30, had 16 goals and 35 assists for 51 points in 75 games for the Golden Knights last season.

Tisk Tisk .. you're losing your touch!

- jd250


But it’s a terrible contract that probably won’t age well. They have 3 talented young centers that need to play now. Francis will regret it.




xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Aug 12 @ 12:22 AM ET
yes dime a dozen. had good 4th line, great where did the team finish again? refresh my memory. 1st one in years just shows the incompetence of this franchise.

Cant exit any rebuild when you really never started. No 4th line players should be a part of any rebuild. So in 2026 when RP will need a new contract I guess he will get the Laughton 5 year special. Wash rinse repeat.

wonder what a Seeler and RP package at last deadline would have returned? Both on cheap as can be contacts. Maybe add a 3rd what does that get the flyers back? Forward thinking organizations would explore that route.

- hello it's me 2050


How did they not start rebuilding? They sold players, collected Draft picks and are focused on rebuilding through the draft. That is what a rebuild is. Tanking is not what rebuilding is, it is a type of rebuilding.

Retooling would be to acquire impact players through trade. Flyers have not done this. They have also not traded young assets or picks like contenders have.

Laughton wont get 5 years. He will be gone when Jett is ready. There is no other option unless hes moving down to the 4th line and replacing Cates or Hathaway.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Aug 12 @ 12:38 AM ET
I started seeing this sentiment in Flyers articles last week. I see it has taken root. This is why the Flyers don't have to do a legitimate rebuild. All they have to do is proclaim it and it is so.

Michkov hasn't played a game and fans have visions of prime Ovechkin in year 1 dancing in their eyes. On the flip side, CG is a guaranteed bust.

Who does a 1-2 year rebuild while also only getting rid of only what, 4-5 guys? 2 the coach couldn't stand, 1 who asked out, 1 who declined, and maybe one for the future? 4 out of 5 happen no matter what.

The Flyers goal in the "rebuild" was to sell tix and merch. Mission accomplished.

- Flyers_01


More than 4-5 guys have been removed from the team.

Hayes
Provorov
DeAngelo
Hart (Not by Choice)
Walker
Sandstrom
JVR
Atkinson
Gauthier (Not by Choice)

All guys removed from the team since Briere took over.

Lets not forget Sanheim was almost Dealt as well. Flyers have also been actively shopping Ristolainen

Farabee
Frost
Brink
York
Foerster
Cates
Michkov
Ersson

All players 25 and younger drafted by the Flyers.

Sanheim and Couturier are both unmoveable unless they want out. Couturier may not be moveable even if he wants out if he doesnt bounce back. Laughton and Hathaway will both be moved out eventually. They will absolutely make room for Luchenko when he is ready. Laughton is the odd man out there at C.

The Flyers also have the 2nd youngest team in the NHL


jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Aug 12 @ 6:59 AM ET
How did they not start rebuilding? They sold players, collected Draft picks and are focused on rebuilding through the draft. That is what a rebuild is. Tanking is not what rebuilding is, it is a type of rebuilding.

Retooling would be to acquire impact players through trade. Flyers have not done this. They have also not traded young assets or picks like contenders have.

Laughton wont get 5 years. He will be gone when Jett is ready. There is no other option unless hes moving down to the 4th line and replacing Cates or Hathaway.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Are the Flyers really focusing on rebuilding through the draft though? Yes you could say that the Flyers have 3 1st round and 3 second round picks in a projected deep draft this year, but as things are currently constituted, the highest the Flyers will be picking is most likely 13 or 14 again. The Flyers have a plehtora of middling forwards and defenseman in their prospect pool, but no projected 1C or 1D. Unfortunately the only way to get a 1C or 1D is via the draft, since teams are not going to trade you these players, and picking 13th or higher is not going to get it done. My hope is Jett is truly just scratching the surface, but right now that is a lot of hope on one 17 year old player. Bonk will be a good defenseman but will he be a true 1D, most likely not. So having a lot of picks is great, but if a team is not drafting in the top 5 or even the top 3 in some drafts, they are not rebuilding, they are stagnating. Chicago, San Jose, Anaheim, they are rebuilding by drafting potential elite players that they can build around for years to come. That is how you do it.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Aug 12 @ 7:02 AM ET
More than 4-5 guys have been removed from the team.

Hayes
Provorov
DeAngelo
Hart (Not by Choice)
Walker
Sandstrom
JVR
Atkinson
Gauthier (Not by Choice)

All guys removed from the team since Briere took over.

Lets not forget Sanheim was almost Dealt as well. Flyers have also been actively shopping Ristolainen

Farabee
Frost
Brink
York
Foerster
Cates
Michkov
Ersson

All players 25 and younger drafted by the Flyers.

Sanheim and Couturier are both unmoveable unless they want out. Couturier may not be moveable even if he wants out if he doesnt bounce back. Laughton and Hathaway will both be moved out eventually. They will absolutely make room for Luchenko when he is ready. Laughton is the odd man out there at C.

The Flyers also have the 2nd youngest team in the NHL

- xShoot4WarAmpsx

The Flyers will have depth at wing, but no projected 1C and 1D coming ... where is the path to true contention?
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Aug 12 @ 7:19 AM ET
Are the Flyers really focusing on rebuilding through the draft though? Yes you could say that the Flyers have 3 1st round and 3 second round picks in a projected deep draft this year, but as things are currently constituted, the highest the Flyers will be picking is most likely 13 or 14 again. The Flyers have a plehtora of middling forwards and defenseman in their prospect pool, but no projected 1C or 1D. Unfortunately the only way to get a 1C or 1D is via the draft, since teams are not going to trade you these players, and picking 13th or higher is not going to get it done. My hope is Jett is truly just scratching the surface, but right now that is a lot of hope on one 17 year old player. Bonk will be a good defenseman but will he be a true 1D, most likely not. So having a lot of picks is great, but if a team is not drafting in the top 5 or even the top 3 in some drafts, they are not rebuilding, they are stagnating. Chicago, San Jose, Anaheim, they are rebuilding by drafting potential elite players that they can build around for years to come. That is how you do it.
- jd250
It sounds like your stalker MJL has finally beaten you down. You are starting to sound just like him and that's a shame.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 12 @ 7:29 AM ET
It sounds like your stalker MJL has finally beaten you down. You are starting to sound just like him and that's a shame.
- Phillywhiteout


Welcome back. Weren't able to correct the issue of making a fool of yourself over the break, huh? JD has reached the phase where he is now going to lecture those who are making the very same argument that he has made repeatedly.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Aug 12 @ 7:32 AM ET
How did they not start rebuilding? They sold players, collected Draft picks and are focused on rebuilding through the draft. That is what a rebuild is. Tanking is not what rebuilding is, it is a type of rebuilding.

Retooling would be to acquire impact players through trade. Flyers have not done this. They have also not traded young assets or picks like contenders have.

Laughton wont get 5 years. He will be gone when Jett is ready. There is no other option unless hes moving down to the 4th line and replacing Cates or Hathaway.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Cracks me up peeps still lining up at the counter to buy and drink the cool aid.

- they got rid of 2 fringe players the coach wanted gone. Their top dman who wanted out. One of their top prospects,who wanted out ,who they were supposed to build around because of their incompetence

- they didn't trade anyone of value to help expedite this so called "rebuild".

- flyers have nothing to offer to acquire an impact player via trade.

- laughton will be a flyer for life; who said he will get 5 years? Jett's timeline has nothing to do with laughton. if he is moved it will be when his value is low and as usual the flyers have no idea on the concept of selling high.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Aug 12 @ 7:37 AM ET
More than 4-5 guys have been removed from the team.

Hayes
Provorov
DeAngelo
Hart (Not by Choice)
Walker
Sandstrom
JVR
Atkinson
Gauthier (Not by Choice)

All guys removed from the team since Briere took over.

Lets not forget Sanheim was almost Dealt as well. Flyers have also been actively shopping Ristolainen

Farabee
Frost
Brink
York
Foerster
Cates
Michkov
Ersson

All players 25 and younger drafted by the Flyers.

Sanheim and Couturier are both unmoveable unless they want out. Couturier may not be moveable even if he wants out if he doesnt bounce back. Laughton and Hathaway will both be moved out eventually. They will absolutely make room for Luchenko when he is ready. Laughton is the odd man out there at C.

The Flyers also have the 2nd youngest team in the NHL

- xShoot4WarAmpsx

other teams must be schitting their pants looking at that core. Knowing they will lhave to deal with them for the foreseeable future.

2nd youngest team means jack if the talent is nothing to write home about.

Yes sanheim almost dealt. Who was that for again? would have been another comical flyers move.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Aug 12 @ 7:50 AM ET
Welcome back. Weren't able to correct the issue of making a fool of yourself over the break, huh? JD has reached the phase where he is now going to lecture those who are making the very same argument that he has made repeatedly.
- MJL
I have no issues to fix, but then again there appears to be a lot of that going around on here. The Flyers were never going to tank when Michkov decided to show up early. It's laughable that folks think that they are gonna do that with Michkov here. It's a rebuild on the fly folks!! Catch lightning in a bottle and the Flyers are your Stanley Cup champions in 2027-28! Or, completely tear it down to the studs and perhaps be competitive again by 2030. Nah!
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 12 @ 7:51 AM ET
How did they not start rebuilding? They sold players, collected Draft picks and are focused on rebuilding through the draft. That is what a rebuild is. Tanking is not what rebuilding is, it is a type of rebuilding.

Retooling would be to acquire impact players through trade. Flyers have not done this. They have also not traded young assets or picks like contenders have.

Laughton wont get 5 years. He will be gone when Jett is ready. There is no other option unless hes moving down to the 4th line and replacing Cates or Hathaway.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx



Oh boy! 6 picks in one draft. If they are lucky to hit on any of them they are all 3-5 years from being legitimate contributors. Woohoo, rebuild in full swing. By that time Coots and Konecny will be graybeards.

Can't wait until they throw huge contracts at aging veteran UFAs once they clear that cap space.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Aug 12 @ 8:13 AM ET
Danny B gets a B+ grade on Boomer's (Sirius/XM NHL radio) GM report card. The same guy gave the Penwhines Kyle Dubas a D- for his grade. Boomer is usually pretty tough on those report cards, so I'm a bit baffled here. It's actually quite comical how so many folks on here thought that the rebuild would continue once Michkov said that he was coming over this summer. People really think this team is gonna tank with their new shiny toy in the fold. Shame on you!!
- Phillywhiteout


I was shocked at the grade he gave gmdb
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 12 @ 8:32 AM ET
I was shocked at the grade he gave gmdb
- corduroy



Me too. It had me questioning everything. But as he was going on about the Flyers style it just got me angry. Everybody is stuck in the past.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Aug 12 @ 8:38 AM ET
Oh boy! 6 picks in one draft. If they are lucky to hit on any of them they are all 3-5 years from being legitimate contributors. Woohoo, rebuild in full swing. By that time Coots and Konecny will be graybeards.

Can't wait until they throw huge contracts at aging veteran UFAs once they clear that cap space.

- MBFlyerfan


They are not in a "re" anything. They are in Flyer mode.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 12 @ 8:47 AM ET
They are not in a "re" anything. They are in Flyer mode.
- mickel25


Can't wait for the two 7 year, 12 million contracts to 30 year old UFA "superstar" 1C and 1D on the downsides of their careers.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Aug 12 @ 8:47 AM ET
I was shocked at the grade he gave gmdb
- corduroy
What was Boomer's reasoning? I have yet to hear the segment even though they have been replaying it. I'm just trying to figure out how he came to that grade cause he's usually pretty astute and pretty tough with his grades. I would email Boomer, but I lost his email address.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Aug 12 @ 9:19 AM ET
Welcome back. Weren't able to correct the issue of making a fool of yourself over the break, huh? JD has reached the phase where he is now going to lecture those who are making the very same argument that he has made repeatedly.
- MJL

No sir, I am not the one that lectures people or insults them, that my friend is completely and entirely on you! At least I know what players are signed and which ones are not. Doesn't it suck when people call you out for making an honest mistake?

If my take is in any way similar to yours its completely coincidence I assure you!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 12 @ 9:27 AM ET
No sir, I am not the one that lectures people or insults them, that my friend is completely and entirely on you! At least I know what players are signed and which ones are not. Doesn't it suck when people call you out for making an honest mistake?

If my take is in any way similar to yours its completely coincidence I assure you!

- jd250


No, it doesn't suck. Everyone makes an occasional mistake. That's normal. What's not normal is when someone is wrong virtually every single day and refuses to learn. That's you and that's what sucks. You are however correct in saying that it's a coincidence if your take is in any way similar to mine. As I'm normally on the right side of things and you're normally wrong and clueless.


jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Aug 12 @ 9:29 AM ET
It sounds like your stalker MJL has finally beaten you down. You are starting to sound just like him and that's a shame.
- Phillywhiteout

If I sound like the stalker at all, its completely a coincidence I assure you. Unfortunately this is all I can conclude at the moment I am sorry to say. We know from looking at teams that legitimately contend for a cup that those teams all have legitimate 1C, 1D and top lines. The Flyers don't have any of this currently but what is most disheartening to me is there does not seem to be a path where they can get a legitmate 1C and 1D. Maybe Luchanko turns into that player, as I fan I certainly hope so. Maybe Bonk has another phenominal season and his skills translate into an NHL 1D, as a fan I certainly hope so. But hope is not a plan. Sure teams can get lucky in the draft, and that is purely what it is LUCK, and get a real 1C and 1D with a later pick, but the odds tell us the top players are drafted at the top of the draft; Crosby, Stamkos, Tavares, McKinnon, Ekblad, McDavid, Matthews, Hughes, Bedard to name a few. I don't want the Flyers to tank, but the fact is if a team wants the best chance at an elite player, they need to draft high. Realistically, unless the Flyers trade more veterans this season, they will finish about where they finished last year, and that is just not going to get it done IMO.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Aug 12 @ 9:30 AM ET
No, it doesn't suck. Everyone makes an occasional mistake. That's normal. What's not normal is when someone is wrong virtually every single day and refuses to learn. That's you and that's what sucks. You are however correct in saying that it's a coincidence if your take is in any way similar to mine. As I'm normally on the right side of things and you're normally wrong and clueless.
- MJL

In your fantasy world of footy pajamas and plastic hockey sticks, I am sure you believe that.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Aug 12 @ 9:31 AM ET
Can't wait for the two 7 year, 12 million contracts to 30 year old UFA "superstar" 1C and 1D on the downsides of their careers.
- MBFlyerfan

This is what frightens me, but realtically what other path is there right now?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Aug 12 @ 9:32 AM ET
No, it doesn't suck. Everyone makes an occasional mistake. That's normal. What's not normal is when someone is wrong virtually every single day and refuses to learn. That's you and that's what sucks. You are however correct in saying that it's a coincidence if your take is in any way similar to mine. As I'm normally on the right side of things and you're normally wrong and clueless.
- MJL

change the diaper cliff.
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