This is what frightens me, but realtically what other path is there right now?
- jd250

If they are unwilling to do what it takes to get very high picks through the draft (or get Brayden Point, Shea Weber, Pavel Datsyuk level lucky), then unfortunately there is no other path.

Its terrifying to think they are looking at the 2019 Blues as some sort of model. (if you believe that sort of thing)

This is what frightens me, but realtically what other path is there right now?
- jd250

The other path is to stop doing it the way they do it currently.

What was Boomer's reasoning? I have yet to hear the segment even though they have been replaying it. I'm just trying to figure out how he came to that grade cause he's usually pretty astute and pretty tough with his grades. I would email Boomer, but I lost his email address.
- Phillywhiteout

Basically said that db has a plan and is sticking to it - leadership has not wavered at all on the rebuild

If I sound like the stalker at all, its completely a coincidence I assure you. Unfortunately this is all I can conclude at the moment I am sorry to say. We know from looking at teams that legitimately contend for a cup that those teams all have legitimate 1C, 1D and top lines. The Flyers don't have any of this currently but what is most disheartening to me is there does not seem to be a path where they can get a legitmate 1C and 1D. Maybe Luchanko turns into that player, as I fan I certainly hope so. Maybe Bonk has another phenominal season and his skills translate into an NHL 1D, as a fan I certainly hope so. But hope is not a plan. Sure teams can get lucky in the draft, and that is purely what it is LUCK, and get a real 1C and 1D with a later pick, but the odds tell us the top players are drafted at the top of the draft; Crosby, Stamkos, Tavares, McKinnon, Ekblad, McDavid, Matthews, Hughes, Bedard to name a few. I don't want the Flyers to tank, but the fact is if a team wants the best chance at an elite player, they need to draft high. Realistically, unless the Flyers trade more veterans this season, they will finish about where they finished last year, and that is just not going to get it done IMO.
- jd250

There was a path to getting a potential 1D in the past draft. They had an opportunity to draft Buium and they passed. You have supported that decision.

In your fantasy world of footy pajamas and plastic hockey sticks, I am sure you believe that.
- jd250

It's not a question of what anyone believes. It is the reality. There is a public record of posts that you've made. There has never been a poster who is invested in the sport as much as you are that is so absurdly clueless about it. That's what the record shows and none of your delusions can change that. You can however change what happens in the future by learning. However up to this point in time, you have shown zero ability to do that.

Basically said that db has a plan and is sticking to it - leadership has not wavered at all on the rebuild
- corduroy

And that is probably a true statement. He is sticking to his plan. It's the plan I have a problem with.

This is what frightens me, but realtically what other path is there right now?
- jd250

The same path that has always been available to the team.

And that is probably a true statement. He is sticking to his plan. It's the plan I have a problem with.
- MBFlyerfan

What is the plan?

What is the plan?
- furio16

IMO it is to clear the excess cap space and pay big money for a free agent center and defenseman to do a speedy trip back to contention. Which may work in the short term, but will also artificially shorten the contention window as the team becomes an older cap strapped franchise with a lack of high end talent because they are drafting in the teens and 20's every year.

Are the Flyers really focusing on rebuilding through the draft though? Yes you could say that the Flyers have 3 1st round and 3 second round picks in a projected deep draft this year, but as things are currently constituted, the highest the Flyers will be picking is most likely 13 or 14 again. The Flyers have a plehtora of middling forwards and defenseman in their prospect pool, but no projected 1C or 1D. Unfortunately the only way to get a 1C or 1D is via the draft, since teams are not going to trade you these players, and picking 13th or higher is not going to get it done. My hope is Jett is truly just scratching the surface, but right now that is a lot of hope on one 17 year old player. Bonk will be a good defenseman but will he be a true 1D, most likely not. So having a lot of picks is great, but if a team is not drafting in the top 5 or even the top 3 in some drafts, they are not rebuilding, they are stagnating. Chicago, San Jose, Anaheim, they are rebuilding by drafting potential elite players that they can build around for years to come. That is how you do it.
- jd250

Flyers passed on a potential top pair D this draft according to many here, yet you cant build from 12th pick........ Which one is it?

Flyers passed on a potential top pair D this draft according to many here, yet you cant build from 12th pick........ Which one is it?
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

now this is funny

IMO it is to clear the excess cap space and pay big money for a free agent center and defenseman to do a speedy trip back to contention. Which may work in the short term, but will also artificially shorten the contention window as the team becomes an older cap strapped franchise with a lack of high end talent because they are drafting in the teens and 20's every year.
- MBFlyerfan

One thing they do not take into consideration is the fact that this is not an attractive team or franchise to want to get said players.

Therefore it will take a huge overpay for starters. Of which they will have no problem doing.

If they are unwilling to do what it takes to get very high picks through the draft (or get Brayden Point, Shea Weber, Pavel Datsyuk level lucky), then unfortunately there is no other path.

Its terrifying to think they are looking at the 2019 Blues as some sort of model. (if you believe that sort of thing)
- MBFlyerfan

Or Vegas. I do believe there needs to be balance, but the foundation of a legitimate cup contending team is drafting high, or getting extremely lucky in the draft. Maybe Briere thinks with 6 picks he will get lucky, but I don't believe that will match the timesline defined by extending TK and Hathaway. So all I can see is free agents and trades. I don't see the Flyers actually picking players with the 6 picks they have.

If they are unwilling to do what it takes to get very high picks through the draft (or get Brayden Point, Shea Weber, Pavel Datsyuk level lucky), then unfortunately there is no other path.

Its terrifying to think they are looking at the 2019 Blues as some sort of model. (if you believe that sort of thing)
- MBFlyerfan

Or Vegas. I do believe there needs to be balance, but the foundation of a legitimate cup contending team is drafting high, or getting extremely lucky in the draft. Maybe Briere thinks with 6 picks he will get lucky, but I don't believe that will match the timeline defined by extending TK and Hathaway. So all I can see is free agent signings and trades. I don't see the Flyers actually picking players with the 6 picks they have.

Flyers passed on a potential top pair D this draft according to many here, yet you cant build from 12th pick........ Which one is it?
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Buium may very well become a top pairing defenseman, but the fact is he was available to 12 teams and all passed on him, so you have to consider this.

Flyers passed on a potential top pair D this draft according to many here, yet you cant build from 12th pick........ Which one is it?
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I invite you to look at the players that have been drafted #12 in the last 12 drafts and let us know if that seems like a viable way to build a team?

One thing they do not take into consideration is the fact that this is not an attractive team or franchise to want to get said players.

Therefore it will take a huge overpay for starters. Of which they will have no problem doing.
- furio16

That, IMO makes it even worse. It will be Kevin Hayes all over again.

Flyers passed on a potential top pair D this draft according to many here, yet you cant build from 12th pick........ Which one is it?
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Don’t let context get in the way.

Buium may very well become a top pairing defenseman, but the fact is he was available to 12 teams and all passed on him, so you have to consider this.
- jd250

Is it fair to say San Jose passed as there was a clear cut top pick. Try some context.

other teams must be schitting their pants looking at that core. Knowing they will lhave to deal with them for the foreseeable future.

2nd youngest team means jack if the talent is nothing to write home about.

Yes sanheim almost dealt. Who was that for again? would have been another comical flyers move.
- hello it's me 2050

The deal was rumoured to include Krug and Kyrou. Kyrou would have been a great add.Krug was just there so they could dump Hayes and get a Body on D back

Buium may very well become a top pairing defenseman, but the fact is he was available to 12 teams and all passed on him, so you have to consider this.
- jd250

No, you really don't. That subject has been beaten and explained to death. Like San Jose was going to pass on Celebrini, Chicago was going to pass on Levshunov, that's 2 teams right there. Plus other teams were going for forwards like Demidov and Lindstrom. It is disingenuous to say "12 teams passed on him".

One thing they do not take into consideration is the fact that this is not an attractive team or franchise to want to get said players.

Therefore it will take a huge overpay for starters. Of which they will have no problem doing.
- furio16

see hayes, kevin

No, you really don't. That subject has been beaten and explained to death. Like San Jose was going to pass on Celebrini, Chicago was going to pass on Levshunov, that's 2 teams right there. Plus other teams were going for forwards like Demidov and Lindstrom. It is disingenuous to say "12 teams passed on him".
- MBFlyerfan

Not really since that’s exactly what happened lol

The deal was rumoured to include Krug and Kyrou. Kyrou would have been a great add.Krug was just there so they could dump Hayes and get a Body on D back
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

if you say so. though tis was krug and 1st for sanheim.

any link that mentions kyrou? your faith in the flyers is amusing. to keep defending is entertainment.

Flyers passed on a potential top pair D this draft according to many here, yet you cant build from 12th pick........ Which one is it?
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

The issue isn’t defensemen. A team can get a top pair defenseman later in the draft even into the second round. The issue is 1st line center. The majority of those are picked in the top 5. Every now and then a team gets a Aho or Bergeron later but that is rare.