Or Vegas. I do believe there needs to be balance, but the foundation of a legitimate cup contending team is drafting high, or getting extremely lucky in the draft. Maybe Briere thinks with 6 picks he will get lucky, but I don't believe that will match the timeline defined by extending TK and Hathaway. So all I can see is free agent signings and trades. I don't see the Flyers actually picking players with the 6 picks they have.
- jd250

agree as some may used to move up or acquire already in the NHL players. this is why you need to acquire as many picks as possible

Hopefully they are hanging around a playoff spot come the deadline and they use a couple to acquire players to give the vets on the team a chance as they owe it to them to make the playoffs.......once your in the playoffs anything can happen.

No, you really don't. That subject has been beaten and explained to death. Like San Jose was going to pass on Celebrini, Chicago was going to pass on Levshunov, that's 2 teams right there. Plus other teams were going for forwards like Demidov and Lindstrom. It is disingenuous to say "12 teams passed on him".
- MBFlyerfan

Ok, less than 12 teams, how about 7 or 8 teams? Buium was projected to go anywhere between 3-8 in all the mocks and rankings I saw, and the fact is he went 13th. Why? You have to at least ask the question. Why would teams pass on a projected top pairing defenseman?

Or Vegas. I do believe there needs to be balance, but the foundation of a legitimate cup contending team is drafting high, or getting extremely lucky in the draft. Maybe Briere thinks with 6 picks he will get lucky, but I don't believe that will match the timesline defined by extending TK and Hathaway. So all I can see is free agents and trades. I don't see the Flyers actually picking players with the 6 picks they have.
- jd250

If it doesn't match the timeline, why were you in favor of re-signing Konecny?

agree as some may used to move up or acquire already in the NHL players. this is why you need to acquire as many picks as possible

Hopefully they are hanging around a playoff spot come the deadline and they use a couple to acquire players to give the vets on the team a chance as they owe it to them to make the playoffs.......once your in the playoffs anything can happen.
- hello it's me 2050

That's right, EJ deserves a chance to win another cup, and think about how much Michkov will benefit from playoff experience in his first year. LOL

I invite you to look at the players that have been drafted #12 in the last 12 drafts and let us know if that seems like a viable way to build a team?
- mickel25

All picks have risk. Top pick doesnt mean guaranteed star. Look at 2018 for instance. Only 4 guys out of the top 10 picks became stars. Here are examples guys taken past 12

14 McAvoy
15th Chychrun

12th Necas
13th Suzuki
19th Norris
20th Robert Thomas
26th Oettinger
12th Dobson
22nd K'Andre Miller
12th Bouldy
15th Caulfield
16th Hartley
26th Tage Thompson(4 picks after Flyers picked Rubtsov)

Fact is the community here does not look at things objectively. Everything has a negative spin. People cry when they picked BPA and got NoPa. Cried they should have been bold and took risk. Then Flyers go and do that and everyone cries they should have taken the BPA. All because a buncvh of people who really dont know more than we do ranked them higher. Mackenzie, Button and other "Insiders" are not scouts. The ranking are based on how they perform against other kids. It is not a good outlier on how it transistions to the NHL.

The current team the Flyers have is underrated. This team will make the playoffs IMO. Are they a contender, no not yet but Farabee is 24 and was on a 28 goal pace for 50 games until the wheels came off the team. Konecny scored 30 goals. Tippett had 28. You got 3 future 30 goal scorers right there. Foerster will def get there as well. He had a very impressive rook season. Throw Michkov in thje mic and thats a very good core. All you need from Couturier and Frost is 50-60 points.

The biggest question marks are Drysdale and Ersson. Ersson needs to build on last year and Flyers need Drysdale to be healthy and live up to his potential

The deal was rumoured to include Krug and Kyrou. Kyrou would have been a great add.Krug was just there so they could dump Hayes and get a Body on D back
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I don't believe the deal included Kyrou.

If it doesn't match the timeline, why were you in favor of re-signing Konecny?
- MJL

Because I love him as a player and wanted to find a way to keep him. Its sentimental for sure. I love the idea of a player wanting to play his entire career as a Flyer. I really like rooting for players like TK. I know the reality, that signing TK means the timeline to true contention has to be sooner rather than later, and I also don't see the path where the Flyers can make that happen, unless they get extremely lucky (which they have not had much of the past decade or so) in the draft. I also know this means they will try to trade and sign their way there and I know the risks involved with that approach, it rarely works. But the fan in me, not the GM, wants to watch TK in a Flyers uniform.

All picks have risk. Top pick doesnt mean guaranteed star. Look at 2018 for instance. Only 4 guys out of the top 10 picks became stars. Here are examples guys taken past 12

14 McAvoy
15th Chychrun

12th Necas
13th Suzuki
19th Norris
20th Robert Thomas
26th Oettinger
12th Dobson
22nd K'Andre Miller
12th Bouldy
15th Caulfield
16th Hartley
26th Tage Thompson(4 picks after Flyers picked Rubtsov)

Fact is the community here does not look at things objectively. Everything has a negative spin. People cry when they picked BPA and got NoPa. Cried they should have been bold and took risk. Then Flyers go and do that and everyone cries they should have taken the BPA. All because a buncvh of people who really dont know more than we do ranked them higher. Mackenzie, Button and other "Insiders" are not scouts. The ranking are based on how they perform against other kids. It is not a good outlier on how it transistions to the NHL.

The current team the Flyers have is underrated. This team will make the playoffs IMO. Are they a contender, no not yet but Farabee is 24 and was on a 28 goal pace for 50 games until the wheels came off the team. Konecny scored 30 goals. Tippett had 28. You got 3 future 30 goal scorers right there. Foerster will def get there as well. He had a very impressive rook season. Throw Michkov in thje mic and thats a very good core. All you need from Couturier and Frost is 50-60 points.

The biggest question marks are Drysdale and Ersson. Ersson needs to build on last year and Flyers need Drysdale to be healthy and live up to his potential
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I love the optimisim and agree its much needed on this forum! I think the biggest question mark for me is in nets, both Ersson and Fedotov. We really don't know anything yet about Fedotov and Ersson has had his bad stretches. Can Ersson level that out and become a true #1? I also agree that Drysdale first and foremost has got to be healthy and prove he can play an 82 game season.

Buium may very well become a top pairing defenseman, but the fact is he was available to 12 teams and all passed on him, so you have to consider this.
- jd250

SJ went with size on their 2nd pick. Anaheim wanted a winger. Columbus wanted a C. Utah traded for 2 top 4 D men. Ottawa has strength on their LD side so they went with a RD. Seattle wanted to address scoring woes with a forward. NJ has Nemec and Quinn and their choice was for balance. Some Canadian teams have a preference for Canadians because they’re more likely to stay. It wasn’t a slight. Just the way things shook out.

All picks have risk. Top pick doesnt mean guaranteed star. Look at 2018 for instance. Only 4 guys out of the top 10 picks became stars. Here are examples guys taken past 12

14 McAvoy
15th Chychrun

12th Necas
13th Suzuki
19th Norris
20th Robert Thomas
26th Oettinger
12th Dobson
22nd K'Andre Miller
12th Bouldy
15th Caulfield
16th Hartley
26th Tage Thompson(4 picks after Flyers picked Rubtsov)

Fact is the community here does not look at things objectively. Everything has a negative spin. People cry when they picked BPA and got NoPa. Cried they should have been bold and took risk. Then Flyers go and do that and everyone cries they should have taken the BPA. All because a buncvh of people who really dont know more than we do ranked them higher. Mackenzie, Button and other "Insiders" are not scouts. The ranking are based on how they perform against other kids. It is not a good outlier on how it transistions to the NHL.

The current team the Flyers have is underrated. This team will make the playoffs IMO. Are they a contender, no not yet but Farabee is 24 and was on a 28 goal pace for 50 games until the wheels came off the team. Konecny scored 30 goals. Tippett had 28. You got 3 future 30 goal scorers right there. Foerster will def get there as well. He had a very impressive rook season. Throw Michkov in thje mic and thats a very good core. All you need from Couturier and Frost is 50-60 points.

The biggest question marks are Drysdale and Ersson. Ersson needs to build on last year and Flyers need Drysdale to be healthy and live up to his potential
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

How many of those players you listed are players that you would build around as an elite core of a future cup level team?

Everything would have to go really well for the Flyers to make the playoffs. The league is built around elite players. The only asset they have with elite talent is Michkov. This team has a bunch of holes.

More than 4-5 guys have been removed from the team.

Hayes
Provorov
DeAngelo
Hart (Not by Choice)
Walker
Sandstrom
JVR
Atkinson
Gauthier (Not by Choice)

All guys removed from the team since Briere took over.

Lets not forget Sanheim was almost Dealt as well. Flyers have also been actively shopping Ristolainen

Farabee
Frost
Brink
York
Foerster
Cates
Michkov
Ersson

All players 25 and younger drafted by the Flyers.

Sanheim and Couturier are both unmoveable unless they want out. Couturier may not be moveable even if he wants out if he doesnt bounce back. Laughton and Hathaway will both be moved out eventually. They will absolutely make room for Luchenko when he is ready. Laughton is the odd man out there at C.

The Flyers also have the 2nd youngest team in the NHL
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Rebuild? 😂🤣😂

All picks have risk. Top pick doesnt mean guaranteed star. Look at 2018 for instance. Only 4 guys out of the top 10 picks became stars. Here are examples guys taken past 12

14 McAvoy
15th Chychrun

12th Necas
13th Suzuki
19th Norris
20th Robert Thomas
26th Oettinger
12th Dobson
22nd K'Andre Miller
12th Bouldy
15th Caulfield
16th Hartley
26th Tage Thompson(4 picks after Flyers picked Rubtsov)

Fact is the community here does not look at things objectively. Everything has a negative spin. People cry when they picked BPA and got NoPa. Cried they should have been bold and took risk. Then Flyers go and do that and everyone cries they should have taken the BPA. All because a buncvh of people who really dont know more than we do ranked them higher. Mackenzie, Button and other "Insiders" are not scouts. The ranking are based on how they perform against other kids. It is not a good outlier on how it transistions to the NHL.

The current team the Flyers have is underrated. This team will make the playoffs IMO. Are they a contender, no not yet but Farabee is 24 and was on a 28 goal pace for 50 games until the wheels came off the team. Konecny scored 30 goals. Tippett had 28. You got 3 future 30 goal scorers right there. Foerster will def get there as well. He had a very impressive rook season. Throw Michkov in thje mic and thats a very good core. All you need from Couturier and Frost is 50-60 points.

The biggest question marks are Drysdale and Ersson. Ersson needs to build on last year and Flyers need Drysdale to be healthy and live up to his potential
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

comical. your confusing negativity with reality.

Yes Sam needs to build on his below 90 save percentage. The current team is underrated. This made my day. Also love pace. Only in hockey is pace > actual results.

Because I love him as a player and wanted to find a way to keep him. Its sentimental for sure. I love the idea of a player wanting to play his entire career as a Flyer. I really like rooting for players like TK. I know the reality, that signing TK means the timeline to true contention has to be sooner rather than later, and I also don't see the path where the Flyers can make that happen, unless they get extremely lucky (which they have not had much of the past decade or so) in the draft. I also know this means they will try to trade and sign their way there and I know the risks involved with that approach, it rarely works. But the fan in me, not the GM, wants to watch TK in a Flyers uniform.
- jd250

I don't even know where to start with that.

All picks have risk. Top pick doesnt mean guaranteed star. Look at 2018 for instance. Only 4 guys out of the top 10 picks became stars. Here are examples guys taken past 12

14 McAvoy
15th Chychrun

12th Necas
13th Suzuki
19th Norris
20th Robert Thomas
26th Oettinger
12th Dobson
22nd K'Andre Miller
12th Bouldy
15th Caulfield
16th Hartley
26th Tage Thompson(4 picks after Flyers picked Rubtsov)

- xShoot4WarAmpsx

You can do hindsight with every draft but you are asking one team, the Flyers, to get lucky based on success percentages of specific draft slots multiple drafts in a row. There is no question it could happen but like the lottery it is very unlikely.

I have as much of a positive outlook as anyone on this team but they absolutely need to find a way to get into the top 5 of this upcoming draft (maybe top 7 will do since this draft looks deep) get a center or this rebuild will likely stall out.

I love the optimisim and agree its much needed on this forum! I think the biggest question mark for me is in nets, both Ersson and Fedotov. We really don't know anything yet about Fedotov and Ersson has had his bad stretches. Can Ersson level that out and become a true #1? I also agree that Drysdale first and foremost has got to be healthy and prove he can play an 82 game season.
- jd250

Optimism has to be earned and should not be blindly given. Anyone with a high level of optimism for this team and this frnchise, is doing just that.

SJ went with size on their 2nd pick. Anaheim wanted a winger. Columbus wanted a C. Utah traded for 2 top 4 D men. Ottawa has strength on their LD side so they went with a RD. Seattle wanted to address scoring woes with a forward. NJ has Nemec and Quinn and their choice was for balance. Some Canadian teams have a preference for Canadians because they’re more likely to stay. It wasn’t a slight. Just the way things shook out.
- Minnyhock

It has all been explained to him multiple times. It won't matter.

I don't believe the deal included Kyrou.
- MJL

It did not include Kyrou. Did anybody figure out who started the rumor? was it the flyers front office or St. Louis's? Was it a players agent?

comical. your confusing negativity with reality.

Yes Sam needs to build on his below 90 save percentage. The current team is underrated. This made my day. Also love pace. Only in hockey is pace > actual results.
- hello it's me 2050

This is 100% accurate. I want the Flyers to win a Stanley Cup as much as any "positive" fan. They could win a cup continuing down this path. The odds of that happening are slim to none. Pointing that out does not make me a "negative" fan.

You can do hindsight with every draft but you are asking one team, the Flyers, to get lucky based on success percentages of specific draft slots multiple drafts in a row. There is no question it could happen but like the lottery it is very unlikely.

I have as much of a positive outlook as anyone on this team but they absolutely need to find a way to get into the top 5 of this upcoming draft (maybe top 7 will do since this draft looks deep) get a center or this rebuild will likely stall out.
- psuhockey

Unfortunately not even picking high seems to work out that well for the Flyers historically.

Cutter, NP, Pitkanen, Provy, Sittler, Ricci... they just consistently prioritize the wrong things and/or they overlook red flags. JVR and Foppa were actually good picks but then they immediately got traded away (for players with more Flyery qualities and red flags lol).

There's something really wrong with this team.

SJ went with size on their 2nd pick. Anaheim wanted a winger. Columbus wanted a C. Utah traded for 2 top 4 D men. Ottawa has strength on their LD side so they went with a RD. Seattle wanted to address scoring woes with a forward. NJ has Nemec and Quinn and their choice was for balance. Some Canadian teams have a preference for Canadians because they’re more likely to stay. It wasn’t a slight. Just the way things shook out.
- Minnyhock

And the Flyers had Andrae!

Optimism has to be earned and should not be blindly given. Anyone with a high level of optimism for this team and this frnchise, is doing just that.
- MJL

Ok, well clearly I don't have a high level of optimism for this team. I mean I have pasted several times now that I am not in favor with the plan the Flyers have evidentally decided to try. But at least I have TK to root for.

This is 100% accurate. I want the Flyers to win a Stanley Cup as much as any "positive" fan. They could win a cup continuing down this path. The odds of that happening are slim to none. Pointing that out does not make me a "negative" fan.
- mickel25

There is a subset of sports fans who think if you're negative or pessimistic as a fan, then you're not a real fan. As if you have supported this team and rooted for it, you don't have a right to be negative towards how the team is being run. I've been behind this team and it's operation in a positive light as much as anyone can be in the past. This team has not and is not earning that from me currently. That's not to say there aren't some things to be positive about. I'm optimistic about Michkov. Overall though, there is little to be optimistic about. Anyone who is or who feels this team is on a path to true contention is delusional. That's just reality.

If it doesn't match the timeline, why were you in favor of re-signing Konecny?
- MJL

Cause he is better than Pasta - duh

Ok, well clearly I don't have a high level of optimism for this team. I mean I have pasted several times now that I am not in favor with the plan the Flyers have evidentally decided to try. But at least I have TK to root for.
- jd250

That's today. You'll listen to a podcast or a press conference or something on the radio or youtube and you'll have a different opinion. You have never been on the forefront of accurately assessing this franchise and their actions. Nor are you in anyway consistent in your opinions. On top of being clueless.

comical. your confusing negativity with reality.

Yes Sam needs to build on his below 90 save percentage. The current team is underrated. This made my day. Also love pace. Only in hockey is pace > actual results.
- hello it's me 2050

Pace was used to justify the hayes signing