Absolutely! That's what it's all about. I picked the Flyers to finish dead last in the east last year and they surprised us all. Gotta have hope and enjoy some great hockey again this year. I just can't get behind a team that is so bad that you can't watch them and then you are hoping that they win the lottery in June. Eff that! They should at least be able to put the puck in the net this year with the addition of Michkov, but the defense and goaltending is a bit scary.
- Phillywhiteout

Have hope and enjoy some great hockey again this year? Wait, there was great hockey with the Flyers last year? If so, just more evidence that the fans are part of the problem.

Interesting that you can't get behind a strategy that has proven far more effective than what you want. Then again, you apparently think there was some great hockey with the Flyers last year

If the Flyers do what you want them to do it will be at least 7 to 10 years before they would have a chance of icing a true contender again. I'm not on board with that at all. At least as things stand they could compete in 3 to 5 years if things fall right for them. Perhaps this is a pipe dream, but I gotta believe that the Flyers are due some luck! They are your Stanley Cup champions of 2027-28!! With your method it would be 2030 or later before they would have a shot at the Cup.
- Phillywhiteout

the new era of orange slogan.

good organizations make their own luck.

Personally I don’t like to constantly complain about the Flyers.

I like to constantly complain about those that complain about them instead.
- flyer_nutter

They have zero self awareness,

Haha so true

It’s why he’s so encompassed in analytics and stats - he’s a nerd who needs to feel involved with the game somehow and that’s his only “in” 😂

He’s never learned anything about hockey from coaches, teammates, doing drills, being in a locker room. He watches YouTube videos 😂
- anti-lame

Just curious how much of an advantage does your A level hockey experience give you over cliffs when it comes to the "room" and on ice activity.

https://www.instagram.com...aflyers/reel/C-aiLpWC8Rw/

Call me crazy, but Torts doesn't sound like a coach that will hold Michkov or any offensive player back. See for yourself.

Have hope and enjoy some great hockey again this year? Wait, there was great hockey with the Flyers last year? If so, just more evidence that the fans are part of the problem.

Interesting that you can't get behind a strategy that has proven far more effective than what you want. Then again, you apparently think there was some great hockey with the Flyers last year
- MJL

Wait, there was some great hockey last season. Big wins against good teams like Dallas and Colorado for example. I thought last season was a very entertaining season, and who can forget those great goals by Tippet. It's not all doom and gloom, but then again, that doesn't fit your narrative does it?

We are blessed with the best blogger on this site that alone should be enough to praise. The team has some issues both past and present. But the fans who just want to love our team and root to win every game is a good thing. We’re not Pittsburgh we’re not going to lose intentionally to draft a Crosby. Snider wouldn’t have wanted that and I’m glad that that is one heritage that stuck. Stuck in mediocre times can suck like four more years of Biden but a few hits and this team can be good. They absolutely outplayed expectations last year
- GPerogie

I am sure all those cups the city of champions' have won in the last 35 years really has them 2nd guessing themselves on their business model.

They outplayed expectations many say. Yet at the end of the day they still were not a good team. Did 5 other teams schittting the bed contribute to the optics that they outplayed expectations?

they cant even get 1 hit and you want a few.

Yet, you've been on board with what they've been doing and it's been 14 years and counting since they were relevant. What you can't grasp is that you're going to wait anyway and probably even longer! LOL. Then you conflate two different things. Being a true contender and being competitive are two different things. Apparently you also don't understand that if they do it correctly, they will be competitive along the way as they work towards becoming a contender. You're proving my point here. Let's keep doing it the same way and hope to get lucky. What a plan. You're down with hoping they get lucky! LOL You don't know what my plan is.
- MJL

tell it like it is cliff. educate them

Yet, you've been on board with what they've been doing and it's been 14 years and counting since they were relevant. What you can't grasp is that you're going to wait anyway and probably even longer! LOL. Then you conflate two different things. Being a true contender and being competitive are two different things. Apparently you also don't understand that if they do it correctly, they will be competitive along the way as they work towards becoming a contender. You're proving my point here. Let's keep doing it the same way and hope to get lucky. What a plan. You're down with hoping they get lucky! LOL You don't know what my plan is.
- MJL

Ha ha, no one knows what your plan is because you never divulged that top secret information. I'm guessing it's similar to what the Sixas did back whenever it was that they were playing in an empty building and giving tickets away. What has that got them? They can't even make it to the conference Finals! LMAO!! Oh, and the Flyers were relevant last in 2012. After they demolished the Pens in that series many pundits had them favored to win the Cup cause the Pens were one of the favorites before that series. I know it's only two years, but you like to deal with just facts so...

https://www.instagram.com/philadelphiaflyers/reel/C-aiLpWC8Rw/

Call me crazy, but Torts doesn't sound like a coach that will hold Michkov or any offensive player back. See for yourself.
- jd250

Just another example of how you're easily manipulated and fooled. That also shows how full of poop Tortorella is. He constantly creates environments where young players are afraid to make a mistake.

Do you know where you actually see for yourself? I know you don't know this but where you actually see for yourself is during the games. Not in some speech.

https://www.instagram.com/philadelphiaflyers/reel/C-aiLpWC8Rw/

Call me crazy, but Torts doesn't sound like a coach that will hold Michkov or any offensive player back. See for yourself.
- jd250

torts rules. need to give him that ext yesterday so the players know he is here for the long haul.

https://www.instagram.com/philadelphiaflyers/reel/C-aiLpWC8Rw/

Call me crazy, but Torts doesn't sound like a coach that will hold Michkov or any offensive player back. See for yourself.
- jd250

I also look at what he ACTUALLY does and it leads me to believe he is full of poop.

Wait, there was some great hockey last season. Big wins against good teams like Dallas and Colorado for example. I thought last season was a very entertaining season, and who can forget those great goals by Tippet. It's not all doom and gloom, but then again, that doesn't fit your narrative does it?
- jd250

not sure you know what great hockey is as it isn't the flyers. a boring bland vanilla team.

just cant for the life of me understand how you and others can get all excited at this roster and what's in the pipeline.

I also look at what he ACTUALLY does and it leads me to believe he is full of poop.
- MBFlyerfan

come on man what the says trumps anything he does. get with the program

Have hope and enjoy some great hockey again this year? Wait, there was great hockey with the Flyers last year? If so, just more evidence that the fans are part of the problem.

Interesting that you can't get behind a strategy that has proven far more effective than what you want. Then again, you apparently think there was some great hockey with the Flyers last year
- MJL

Thanks for proving my point! This shows that you are indeed among the miserables on here. Yes, there were lots of exciting games last season to those of us that understand the game and enjoy it! Many victories against top level opponents and physical/exciting hockey. They ran out of gas cause they simply had to almost play playoff hockey from the get go. After they got through that gauntlet late in the season they were cooked. Shyte happens, but that doesn't erase the fact that there were many good games for entertainment purposes last season.

Ha ha, no one knows what your plan is because you never divulged that top secret information. I'm guessing it's similar to what the Sixas did back whenever it was that they were playing in an empty building and giving tickets away. What has that got them? They can't even make it to the conference Finals! LMAO!! Oh, and the Flyers were relevant last in 2012. After they demolished the Pens in that series many pundits had them favored to win the Cup cause the Pens were one of the favorites before that series. I know it's only two years, but you like to deal with just facts so...
- Phillywhiteout

You just made numerous posts about my plan and how you're not down with it. Now it's no one knows what my plan is? Shows how full of poop you are. Winning a playoff series is not what I consider relative. Many had them favored. Whoopeeee! As they lost to NJ 4-1 in the next series. That's a fact.

I am sure all those cups the city of champions' have won in the last 35 years really has them 2nd guessing themselves on their business model.

They outplayed expectations many say. Yet at the end of the day they still were not a good team. Did 5 other teams schittting the bed contribute to the optics that they outplayed expectations?

they cant even get 1 hit and you want a few.
- hello it's me 2050

The Flyers were a good team last year, not a great team, but a good team. They played hard and beat just about every top team in the league. They succumbed to losing Hart, all the injuries to the backend, and pretty much running out of gas at the end. Expectations mean nothing. Who cares what people project before the season starts. The game is played on the ice, not on a laptop! As Bill Parcells used to say, "You are what your record says you are". The Flyers most likely will be in it again this year til the end.

Thanks for proving my point! This shows that you are indeed among the miserables on here. Yes, there were lots of exciting games last season to those of us that understand the game and enjoy it! Many victories against top level opponents and physical/exciting hockey. They ran out of gas cause they simply had to almost play playoff hockey from the get go. After they got through that gauntlet late in the season they were cooked. Shyte happens, but that doesn't erase the fact that there were many good games for entertainment purposes last season.
- Phillywhiteout

You're the perfect fan for this organization. Completely unaware of what great hockey is. Easily satisfied by some meaningless regular season wins. Easily entertained. You're the target.

The Flyers were a good team last year, not a great team, but a good team. They played hard and beat just about every top team in the league. They succumbed to losing Hart, all the injuries to the backend, and pretty much running out of gas at the end. Expectations mean nothing. Who cares what people project before the season starts. The game is played on the ice, not on a laptop! As Bill Parcells used to say, "You are what your record says you are". The Flyers most likely will be in it again this year til the end.
- jd250

They weren't a good team. They finished in the bottom 3rd of the league in the standings.

You just made numerous posts about my plan and how you're not down with it. Now it's no one knows what my plan is? Shows how full of poop you are. Winning a playoff series is not what I consider relative. Many had them favored. Whoopeeee! As they lost to NJ 4-1 in the next series. That's a fact.
- MJL

You've NEVER divulged your plan in theory, so I am assuming. I have no other recourse. You want them to tear it down to the studs and draft first overall for several years. The problem is the fact that they still might draft second or third based on lottery luck. See 2006-07 for an example. The Flyers were the worst team by far that season and ended up with a fair/middling player versus a franchise changing cornerstone. Your way still needs luck! It will just take longer to get there your way.

Just another example of how you're easily manipulated and fooled. That also shows how full of poop Tortorella is. He constantly creates environments where young players are afraid to make a mistake.

Do you know where you actually see for yourself? I know you don't know this but where you actually see for yourself is during the games. Not in some speech.
- MJL

Hmmm, TK was not afraid to make mistakes. Tippet was not afraid to make mistakes. Foerster scores 1 goal in the first 21 games last season, yet he didn't play afraid to make a mistake and be puilled from the lineup.

Your narrative just does not hold water. Too many players on this team demonstrate the complete opposite of what you are spewing on this board day after day. I do watch the games, every minute of every game in fact. I doubt the same can be said about you.

You've NEVER divulged your plan in theory, so I am assuming. I have no other recourse. You want them to tear it down to the studs and draft first overall for several years. The problem is the fact that they still might draft second or third based on lottery luck. See 2006-07 for an example. The Flyers were the worst team by far that season and ended up with a fair/middling player versus a franchise changing cornerstone. Your way still needs luck! It will just take longer to get there your way.
- Phillywhiteout

It really does. Its also about timing. You want to be one of the worst teams in the league when there are projected generational players at the top of the draft. Buffalo for example has picked high for over a decade, but when they picked first or second it was in mediocre draft. That is why I was hoping the Flyers would tank in the 2022-23 season since that draft had loads of elite talent at the top. As it turned out, the Flyers got Michkov at 7, which was extremely lucky. This coming draft has been called a deep draft, but besides the undersized Hagens, I wouldn't say yet there are generational players in this draft. Though I am really liking this kid Anton Frondell.

They weren't a good team. They finished in the bottom 3rd of the league in the standings.
- MJL

That's like saying the Phantoms were a good team last year despite being 13th out of 15 teams in their conference. Yet Lappi get's the 2 year extension.

They weren't a good team. They finished in the bottom 3rd of the league in the standings.
- MJL

But they were in the top half of the league for 7/8 of the season, that cannot be discounted.

Just another example of how you're easily manipulated and fooled. That also shows how full of poop Tortorella is. He constantly creates environments where young players are afraid to make a mistake.

Do you know where you actually see for yourself? I know you don't know this but where you actually see for yourself is during the games. Not in some speech.
- MJL

Yeah, just look how Torts has hurt TKs career.

It's funny, arm chair GM's say Torts is horrible but actual players have good things to say about him. Not all of them but a majority say good things about him.

If Torts was such a bad coach he would not be in the NHL anymore.

But I digress, I am not a hockey god like you and don't know all there is about hockey like you.


How many team owners call you to consult with you when hiring a new coach or GM?