The Flyers were a good team last year, not a great team, but a good team. They played hard and beat just about every top team in the league. They succumbed to losing Hart, all the injuries to the backend, and pretty much running out of gas at the end. Expectations mean nothing. Who cares what people project before the season starts. The game is played on the ice, not on a laptop! As Bill Parcells used to say, "You are what your record says you are". The Flyers most likely will be in it again this year til the end.
- jd250

must have been many good teams then last season if the flyers were one of them.

flyers will be at the bottom of the of the conf. I have no doubt about it. In what? oh the playoff "race". That is great. stuck in neutral yet again. Like the prior dozen years. As long as in the "race" all is good.

your post has a lot of excuses in it. lets address a few.

- Hart. they knew at some point the hammer was going to drop on hart and they were not prepared. Or they were prepared and decided to roll with that they had in house. Does either one sound like a good plan knowing Sam was a rookie and couldnt carry the load in LHV the season before?

- ran out of gas some say. well who's fault is that? You need to pace yourself over a full season do you
not? So if they ran out of gas like you say is that on the coach?

That's like saying the Phantoms were a good team last year despite being 13th out of 15 teams in their conference. Yet Lappi get's the 2 year extension.
- Flyers_01

No, it's not like saying that the Phantoms were a good team. I saw some Phantoms games and they played lifeless hockey. I have no idea why Lappy is still employed by this organization. Oh wait, yes I do and that is one of my biggest issues with this organization. The Flyers were an exciting team to watch and making waves around the NHL circles for much of the season until they fell apart at the end. That's a bad analogy by you. Congrats!

It really does. Its also about timing. You want to be one of the worst teams in the league when there are projected generational players at the top of the draft. Buffalo for example has picked high for over a decade, but when they picked first or second it was in mediocre draft. That is why I was hoping the Flyers would tank in the 2022-23 season since that draft had loads of elite talent at the top. As it turned out, the Flyers got Michkov at 7, which was extremely lucky. This coming draft has been called a deep draft, but besides the undersized Hagens, I wouldn't say yet there are generational players in this draft. Though I am really liking this kid Anton Frondell.
- jd250

at least your admitting that and not spinning it as some genius move by the GM

https://www.instagram.com/philadelphiaflyers/reel/C-aiLpWC8Rw/

Call me crazy, but Torts doesn't sound like a coach that will hold Michkov or any offensive player back. See for yourself.
- jd250

This goes back to what TK has said, Torts lets him be him and doesn't care if he makes mistakes, just play the game right and get back on D.

Yeah, just look how Torts has hurt TKs career.

It's funny, arm chair GM's say Torts is horrible but actual players have good things to say about him. Not all of them but a majority say good things about him.

If Torts was such a bad coach he would not be in the NHL anymore.

But I digress, I am not a hockey god like you and don't know all there is about hockey like you.


How many team owners call you to consult with you when hiring a new coach or GM?
- WhiskeyMan

he was voted by the players few years back as the coach players do not want to play for.

This goes back to what TK has said, Torts lets him be him and doesn't care if he makes mistakes, just play the game right and get back on D.
- WhiskeyMan

Yes, but why bring this up? After all, it doesn't fit the "Torts is a dinosaur" narrative.

at least your admitting that and not spinning it as some genius move by the GM
- hello it's me 2050

Hope is not a plan. Having a player fall to you is also not a plan. You can say what you want about this decision, but at least this draft Briere made a conscious decision to pass on Buium and target Luchanko. We'll see how that all plays out.

They weren't a good team. They finished in the bottom 3rd of the league in the standings.
- MJL

Middle 3rd but 20th

20th in P%
27th in Goals scored
15th in goals against
32nd in PP%
4th in PK%

Not an awful team, but nowhere near a good team. Just a middling team, which is what we were all worried about when this "rebuild" started.

Should everyone just do like you and whine about the team on a message board every day?

That’ll show ‘em!

Those fools enjoying their hockey games - they just don’t know how sad they actually are!
- anti-lame

I guess it’s much better going on a message board every day and whining about other posters whining. 🤷‍♂️

Yes, but why bring this up? After all, it doesn't fit the "Torts is a dinosaur" narrative.
- jd250

Do you think the coach is in tune with how the modern game of hockey is played? It is a what have you done for me lately role and he hasn't done anything lately.

must have been many good teams then last season if the flyers were one of them.

flyers will be at the bottom of the of the conf. I have no doubt about it. In what? oh the playoff "race". That is great. stuck in neutral yet again. Like the prior dozen years. As long as in the "race" all is good.

your post has a lot of excuses in it. lets address a few.

- Hart. they knew at some point the hammer was going to drop on hart and they were not prepared. Or they were prepared and decided to roll with that they had in house. Does either one sound like a good plan knowing Sam was a rookie and couldnt carry the load in LHV the season before?

- ran out of gas some say. well who's fault is that? You need to pace yourself over a full season do you
not? So if they ran out of gas like you say is that on the coach?
- hello it's me 2050

IMO, the players ran out of gas not because of the coach, though benching Couts didn't help. To me the cause was the mental fatigue of having to play around all the crap that happened last season, with Hart being arrested, Cutter bailing on the franchise, Walker traded at the deadline, and then all the injuries on defense, plus that 7 game stretch against the best teams in the league. It was just too much to handle for team that was a good team, but let's face it, a playoff bubble team.

You're the perfect fan for this organization. Completely unaware of what great hockey is. Easily satisfied by some meaningless regular season wins. Easily entertained. You're the target.
- MJL

They must be missing their target if I'm their target cause I haven't bought a ticket since that 2012 playoff series against the Pens and the only merchandise I bought was a Flyers bucket hat a couple of summers ago. They must be missing their mark. I'm completely unaware of what great hockey is? That's laughable once again from you! We had season tickets from 1985-2005. Saw the Flyers compete against those vaunted Oil teams in the Finals in 1985 and 1987. Saw lots of great hockey in that 20 year span, but apparently I didn't know what I was watching according to you? That's rich!

They must be missing their target if I'm their target cause I haven't bought a ticket since that 2012 playoff series against the Pens and the only merchandise I bought was a Flyers bucket hat a couple of summers ago. They must be missing their mark.

- Phillywhiteout

I used to travel down to Philly 2 or 3 times a year to see games, havn't done that in over 5 years. They are really missing their mark.

Not one person in here said he was the next Cale Makar.
- MBFlyerfan

Just responding to someone’s comment.

Do you think the coach is in tune with how the modern game of hockey is played? It is a what have you done for me lately role and he hasn't done anything lately.
- hello it's me 2050

Yes I do. It does not always come across consistently, but I do believe Torts has tried to change his approach and style of play.

Hope is not a plan. Having a player fall to you is also not a plan. You can say what you want about this decision, but at least this draft Briere made a conscious decision to pass on Buium and target Luchanko. We'll see how that all plays out.
- jd250

flyers basing a lot on hope. that is clear and dumb. would be a little diff if the pipeline was stacked ( at least in theory) or their were some top end players on the roster.

That is not the case. There is no clear cut direction or path. It is a play it by ear situation that will possibly dictate what they may do.

Personally I don’t like to constantly complain about the Flyers.

I like to constantly complain about those that complain about them instead.
- flyer_nutter

Yes I do. It does not always come across consistently, but I do believe Torts has tried to change his approach and style of play.
- jd250

well don't agree.

what has he changed or try to change? I see pretty much the same style and tactics. he can make 1 simple change to help his team and he refuses.

flyers basing a lot on hope. that is clear and dumb. would be a little diff if the pipeline was stacked ( at least in theory) or their were some top end players on the roster.

That is not the case. There is no clear cut direction or path. It is a play it by ear situation that will possibly dictate what they may do.
- hello it's me 2050

You could be right. I think there is a plan, which I am not in favor of. That plan is to wait until next off season when the cap clears up, and then look to trade picks and players and to spend the freed up cap on free agents. I also think by this deadline the Flyers will trade Risto, and possibly Frost for more assets.

well don't agree.

what has he changed or try to change? I see pretty much the same style and tactics. he can make 1 simple change to help his team and he refuses.
- hello it's me 2050

What would that simple change be?

Yes I do. It does not always come across consistently, but I do believe Torts has tried to change his approach and style of play.
- jd250

I think he has changed some what. I also think this might be his last year. It will be interested to see if he does stick around in another role and what type of exec will he be.

Just responding to someone’s comment.
- landros 2

Oh I know.

well don't agree.

what has he changed or try to change? I see pretty much the same style and tactics. he can make 1 simple change to help his team and he refuses.
- hello it's me 2050

Rocky?

IMO, the players ran out of gas not because of the coach, though benching Couts didn't help. To me the cause was the mental fatigue of having to play around all the crap that happened last season, with Hart being arrested, Cutter bailing on the franchise, Walker traded at the deadline, and then all the injuries on defense, plus that 7 game stretch against the best teams in the league. It was just too much to handle for team that was a good team, but let's face it, a playoff bubble team.
- jd250

How does benching ex selke have anything to do with them running out of gas?

all what crap that happened? all those excuses you mentioned are just that. excuses.
they all; knew the hart situation and the hammer was going to drop at some point. Cutter wasnt even on the team or in the organization. Players are traded all the time. just a list of cop outs.

if it was too much to handle then maybe they just were not a good team. a good team overcomes and adapts ( gunnery sergeant highway).

you absolving the coach is not surprising.

What would that simple change be?
- jd250

really? fire the fn PP coach who he doesn't hold accountable.

how the phuck the co-gm didn't is beoynd me.