Because the PP was at the bottom even before Thompson got here.it was just as bad in 2021-22 (12.6%) with a parade of 3 coaches: Therrien, Williams, and Torchetti. And that was with Giroux still here til nearly the deadline.

We can keep keep scapegoating one PP coach after another as the big problem to fix or they can fix the main issues first. I am fine with a change of PP coach but it's not top of list to me.
- bmeltzer

There is a big difference between scapegoating the coaching and giving them a complete pass. The poster posted coaching as part of the problem and they certainly are.

You don't do yourself any favors jd. He can't help you.
- MJL

help me in what way exactly?

Because the PP was at the bottom even before Thompson got here.it was just as bad in 2021-22 (12.6%) with a parade of 3 coaches: Therrien, Williams, and Torchetti. And that was with Giroux still here til nearly the deadline.

We can keep keep scapegoating one PP coach after another as the big problem to fix or they can fix the main issues first. I am fine with a change of PP coach but it's not top of list to me.
- bmeltzer

And the bottom line for those who actually have played the game at a decent level, a PP's success or failure is more on the players than the coaching. There are only so many zone entry schemes and patterns to follow to generate scoring chances. Coaches don't lose o-zone faceoffs, and coaches don't make the on ice decisions. We saw last year that as the season moved along, the Flyers' zone entries got better. That is a sign that the coaches worked with the players and practiced it. But once the players have possession in the o-zone, its on them to generate chances, not the coaches. The Flyers PP often looked clueless out there, they would just pass the puck around the perimeter and get decent zone time, but often would not generate a decent scoring chance. That is on the players, not the coaches. Torts talked about the PP shooting more several times last year, but at the end of the day, its on the players that make the decisions.

help me in what way exactly?
- jd250

You're right, when it comes to hockey, you can't be helped. Many have tried, including myself for years.

And the bottom line for those who actually have played the game at a decent level, a PP's success or failure is more on the players than the coaching. There are only so many zone entry schemes and patterns to follow to generate scoring chances. Coaches don't lose o-zone faceoffs, and coaches don't make the on ice decisions. We saw last year that as the season moved along, the Flyers' zone entries got better. That is a sign that the coaches worked with the players and practiced it. But once the players have possession in the o-zone, its on them to generate chances, not the coaches. The Flyers PP often looked clueless out there, they would just pass the puck around the perimeter and get decent zone time, but often would not generate a decent scoring chance. That is on the players, not the coaches. Torts talked about the PP shooting more several times last year, but at the end of the day, its on the players that make the decisions.
- jd250

Your first statement cracks me up, how you continue to try and use that narrative. If the coaches can't make plays and they don't lose faceoffs and don't make the on ice decisions. Why do they get fired then if a team is not successful?
Surely there is more to coaching a PP then just telling the players to shoot more.

Your first statement cracks me up, how you continue to try and use that narrative. If the coaches can't make plays and they don't lose faceoffs and don't make the on ice decisions. Why do they get fired then if a team is not successful?
Surely there is more to coaching a PP then just telling the players to shoot more.
- MJL

Cracks you up = eats you up inside

There’s just facets of the game, as a spectator, that you’ll just never understand. It’s why you’re here every day spouting off about what YouTube videos you needed to watch to have the game explained to you 😆

And the bottom line for those who actually have played the game at a decent level, a PP's success or failure is more on the players than the coaching. There are only so many zone entry schemes and patterns to follow to generate scoring chances. Coaches don't lose o-zone faceoffs, and coaches don't make the on ice decisions. We saw last year that as the season moved along, the Flyers' zone entries got better. That is a sign that the coaches worked with the players and practiced it. But once the players have possession in the o-zone, its on them to generate chances, not the coaches. The Flyers PP often looked clueless out there, they would just pass the puck around the perimeter and get decent zone time, but often would not generate a decent scoring chance. That is on the players, not the coaches. Torts talked about the PP shooting more several times last year, but at the end of the day, its on the players that make the decisions.
- jd250

Bill is right in one respect …the PP was bad before Rocky arrived. But I would argue he hasn’t helped fix it though, has he? I remember in the ‘olden” days when if the pp struggled you were taught to simplify…get puts to the net with bodies there. I don’t see any of that.

MJL coming in hot today because he got slaughtered yesterday 😆
- anti-lame

Bill is right in one respect …the PP was bad before Rocky arrived. But I would argue he hasn’t helped fix it though, has he? I remember in the ‘olden” days when if the pp struggled you were taught to simplify…get puts to the net with bodies there. I don’t see any of that.
- landros 2

They really looked hesitant on the PP most of last season. That tells me that they weren't well coached. Fear causes hesitation and hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true. Point Break...

The Kotkianiemi offer sheet, IMO, was one of the dumbest decisions made.
- WhiskeyMan

St Louis with a nice aggressive 1-2 punch on Holloway and Broberg. These are the type of imaginative things that escape the Flyers “brain trust”.

St Louis with a nice aggressive 1-2 punch on Holloway and Broberg. These are the type of imaginative things that escape the Flyers “brain trust”.
- mikeyo27

You’re admonishing the flyers because they didn’t offer sheet middling talent?

If the flyers did this I guarantee you and a lot of others here would be legit angry 😆

Because the PP was at the bottom even before Thompson got here.it was just as bad in 2021-22 (12.6%) with a parade of 3 coaches: Therrien, Williams, and Torchetti. And that was with Giroux still here til nearly the deadline.

We can keep keep scapegoating one PP coach after another as the big problem to fix or they can fix the main issues first. I am fine with a change of PP coach but it's not top of list to me.
- bmeltzer

The more you know…

St Louis with a nice aggressive 1-2 punch on Holloway and Broberg. These are the type of imaginative things that escape the Flyers “brain trust”.
- mikeyo27

If the Flyers had made those moves, I would consider them a mistake.

My issue with Farabee is his role and/or usage on the team. Is he supposed to be a goal scorer (we need to see more than 20 goals)? Is he more of a two-way guy (20 goals is solid then)?

seeing all the cap space the flyers have maybe they can help the oilers out.
- hello it's me 2050

I think the oilers will ltir Kane and then match.

I think the oilers will ltir Kane and then match.
- Hextall271

Probably but that is just delaying the problem unless Kane is out for the season.

If the Flyers had made those moves, I would consider them a mistake.
- MJL

so you wouldn't trade a 2nd for a former dman 8th overall pick in the 2019 draft? Or

a 3rd for a former LW 14th overall in the 2020 draft?

Happy 75th Clarkie….the greatest Flyer of all time.
- landros 2

Ellis.....the shortest flyer career of all time (many believed). But no! It's Bill Armstrong with one game.

Bill is right in one respect …the PP was bad before Rocky arrived. But I would argue he hasn’t helped fix it though, has he? I remember in the ‘olden” days when if the pp struggled you were taught to simplify…get puts to the net with bodies there. I don’t see any of that.
- landros 2

Last season The Flyers PP scored 4.35 goals per hour, almost a full goal less than the 31st place team. In 21-22 they were also last, but the next worst team wasn't as far ahead. So relative to the rest of the league, they've regressed under Rocky.

https://www.naturalstattr...all&loc=B&gpf=410&fd=&td=

Ellis.....the shortest flyer career of all time (many believed). But no! It's Bill Armstrong with one game.
- THE EVIL WITHIN

Pretty random. But i believe it's more guys with one game.

so you wouldn't trade a 2nd for a former dman 8th overall pick in the 2019 draft? Or

a 3rd for a former LW 14th overall in the 2020 draft?
- hello it's me 2050

The cap hit for Broberg would give me pause.

The cap hit for Broberg would give me pause.
- MBFlyerfan

a team in the flyers "rebuilding" position should be able to afford an overpay on a short term 2 year deal to see if a guy like him has turned the corner. after edmonton endured all the growing pains. Looked good in the playoffs.

Last season The Flyers PP scored 4.35 goals per hour, almost a full goal less than the 31st place team. In 21-22 they were also last, but the next worst team wasn't as far ahead. So relative to the rest of the league, they've regressed under Rocky.

https://www.naturalstattr...all&loc=B&gpf=410&fd=&td=
- Feanor

Here's the other thing :

https://www.quanthockey.c...rs-2021-22-nhl-stats.html

Leaving out Brink because he only played 10 games in 2021, out of the top 13 players to get PP time :

3- got 8 year extensions
7- no longer with the team. Only 1 of which played last year.

The ghost of Keith Yandle who couldn't be benched, no matter what because he was pinky sweared ice time. Good times.

The excuse that the PP was historically bad 3 years ago means that nobody can be accountable ever again for the PP is crazy. If it's the players are why it's still historically bad then the FO should be fired. Otherwise, maybe put some of the blame on the coaching.

This is not normal. Teams that strip their rosters to do a proper rebuild run laps around the Flyers PP. They pick up street free agents and can run a better PP.

I can understand players being garden variety bad. CHI when they were trying for Bedard and icing AHL players had a 16.4% PP (4% better than the Flyers) and that was their worst.

Any time there's a perceived coaching issue, it's brushed off. Presumably because the Flyers have the gold standard of coaches. If there's anyone who's done less with more than the Flyers on the PP, i'd love to hear it.

a team in the flyers "rebuilding" position should be able to afford an overpay on a short term 2 year deal to see if a guy like him has turned the corner. after edmonton endured all the growing pains. Looked good in the playoffs.
- hello it's me 2050

Maybe. But its about 4 times the overpay according to what evolving hockey said he should earn. Not saying I wouldn't take the chance but I can see why the Flyers wouldn't. He may have looked ok in the playoffs but he still only played 81 (2g, 11a) games in his career and only 12 games in the past regular season. That is a lot of money for someone who really hasn't done anything in the NHL. Its a windfall for him.

Maybe. But its about 4 times the overpay according to what evolving hockey said he should earn. Not saying I wouldn't take the chance but I can see why the Flyers wouldn't. He may have looked ok in the playoffs but he still only played 81 (2g, 11a) games in his career and only 12 games in the past regular season. That is a lot of money for someone who really hasn't done anything in the NHL. Its a windfall for him.
- MBFlyerfan

it is a huge overpay. no question. clearly the blues are ok with it and see something.

it is a type of move that wouldn't hurt a true rebuilding team in the long run is all.