You’re admonishing the flyers because they didn’t offer sheet middling talent?

If the flyers did this I guarantee you and a lot of others here would be legit angry 😆
- anti-lame

I’m admonishing the Flyers for a complete lack of creativity, imagination and aggressiveness.

a team in the flyers "rebuilding" position should be able to afford an overpay on a short term 2 year deal to see if a guy like him has turned the corner. after edmonton endured all the growing pains. Looked good in the playoffs.
- hello it's me 2050

Correct!

The cap hit for Broberg would give me pause.
- MBFlyerfan

I thought Broberg looked decent in the playoff run when he was in....not 4+ million decent though with nothing to back it up.

Didn't Broberg request a trade out of Edmonton? For him the offer sheet was perfect so I think Edmonton matches Holloway and takes compensation for Broberg.

Maybe. But its about 4 times the overpay according to what evolving hockey said he should earn. Not saying I wouldn't take the chance but I can see why the Flyers wouldn't. He may have looked ok in the playoffs but he still only played 81 (2g, 11a) games in his career and only 12 games in the past regular season. That is a lot of money for someone who really hasn't done anything in the NHL. Its a windfall for him.
- MBFlyerfan

Do you just parrot every article or publication that comes across your feed?

I seem to remember someone innocently posting an article to start a discussion and you all ganged up on him, berating him by saying “oh you’ll just eat up and regurgitate anything you see or read”

How is this different? Seems like some folks are allowed to cite websites, articles and things they heard on tv or podcasts but others aren’t?

Also, word of advice. You’re probably really old and crusty so you may not understand how the internet works - but maybe don’t use your full first and last name on your Twitter account you dope

it is a huge overpay. no question. clearly the blues are ok with it and see something.

it is a type of move that wouldn't hurt a true rebuilding team in the long run is all.
- hello it's me 2050

As you said, its only 2 years so that makes it a bit more palatable.

Your first statement cracks me up, how you continue to try and use that narrative. If the coaches can't make plays and they don't lose faceoffs and don't make the on ice decisions. Why do they get fired then if a team is not successful?
Surely there is more to coaching a PP then just telling the players to shoot more.
- MJL

You should know this by now, coaches are there for motivation. These players are pros and have been playing the game since they were 3 years old. They have heard it all from coaches over the years, many, many times. Like any coach in any professions, sports or otherwise, at some point the person needs to hear a different voice, see a different perspective, that is primarily what a head coach does for the player.

Bill is right in one respect …the PP was bad before Rocky arrived. But I would argue he hasn’t helped fix it though, has he? I remember in the ‘olden” days when if the pp struggled you were taught to simplify…get puts to the net with bodies there. I don’t see any of that.
- landros 2

that's because its primarily on the players, same players, same results. The one thing however I think Torts has to do is set 1st and 2nd PP units and keep them together, unless injury. They need to build chemistry and that cannot happen if, for example, there is a different PP QB every single game. Chemistry is a huge part of a good PP unit, knowing where each other are going to be and what each will do with the puck is what makes a great PP. That is why a team like San Jose with limited talent can still have a 20% PP.

You should know this by now, coaches are there for motivation. These plyares are pros and have been playing the game since they were 3 years old. They have heard it all from coaches over the years, many, many times. Like any coach in any professions, sports or otherwise, at some point the person needs to hear a different voice, see a different perspective, that is primarily what a head coach does for the player.
- jd250

Lol no, Marty St. Louis didn’t go over that on his YouTube videos 😂

They really looked hesitant on the PP most of last season. That tells me that they weren't well coached. Fear causes hesitation and hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true. Point Break...
- Phillywhiteout

No, that tells me they had no chemistry.

You should know this by now, coaches are there for motivation. These players are pros and have been playing the game since they were 3 years old. They have heard it all from coaches over the years, many, many times. Like any coach in any professions, sports or otherwise, at some point the person needs to hear a different voice, see a different perspective, that is primarily what a head coach does for the player.
- jd250

Yes and no, because every coach has a different style and there own way a team should play.
And you very well could go throughout your younge age without having a defensive minded coach, or 1 that holds you accountable.

I live in Toronto, and in Canada it's eat sleep hockey, hockey is the number 1 sport.
And with that being said a coach still won't hold his star kids accountable.

And generally canada makes the best hockey players. And yet they still resort to favorites

You should know this by now, coaches are there for motivation. These players are pros and have been playing the game since they were 3 years old. They have heard it all from coaches over the years, many, many times. Like any coach in any professions, sports or otherwise, at some point the person needs to hear a different voice, see a different perspective, that is primarily what a head coach does for the player.
- jd250

Just when I think you couldn't embarrass yourself more. You prove me wrong.

What does the head coach do on the ice during a practice? Yell out motivation? How about in the locker room, using video and the chalk board. Show motivational speeches? You constantly make comments about playing the game at a significant level. If you did, you would know that head coaches are not just there for motivation.


When does this effect of hearing the same thing and hearing it all take effect? It would have to be the first day a new head coach shows up, right? So since they've heard it all, the coach would have no effect.


Now here is the kicker, and this will show what a dumb ass you are. Doesn't what a coach says to motivate a player, fall under the same umbrella of the players having heard it all? Many, many times according to you.

You don't even have simple common sense.

Just when I think you couldn't embarrass yourself more. You prove me wrong.
- MJL

You use this response when you’re out of your element - which is often

You should know this by now, coaches are there for motivation. These players are pros and have been playing the game since they were 3 years old. They have heard it all from coaches over the years, many, many times. Like any coach in any professions, sports or otherwise, at some point the person needs to hear a different voice, see a different perspective, that is primarily what a head coach does for the player.
- jd250

Tortorella on Drysdale :

"I think he's a work in progress, I think he has a lot to learn," Tortorella said. "I think he has a lot to learn about positioning, time and space. He hasn't played a lot, he has been banged up. For the past couple of years, he has been hurt. ... Anaheim played a man-on-man defense and he's trying to figure out how we're playing with our zone coverage."

Sounds like Torts was saying Drysdale needs more than an attaboy. Not sure why teams hire strength and conditioning coaches, skating coaches, goalie coaches, etc. if all they do is tell the player they believe in them because the player never needs insight into the best way to train, skate, etc.

Hell, Rocky's historically bad PP is just because he didn't believe in his unit enough?

Tortorella on Drysdale :

"I think he's a work in progress, I think he has a lot to learn," Tortorella said. "I think he has a lot to learn about positioning, time and space. He hasn't played a lot, he has been banged up. For the past couple of years, he has been hurt. ... Anaheim played a man-on-man defense and he's trying to figure out how we're playing with our zone coverage."

Sounds like Torts was saying Drysdale needs more than an attaboy. Not sure why teams hire strength and conditioning coaches, skating coaches, goalie coaches, etc. if all they do is tell the player they believe in them because the player never needs insight into the best way to train, skate, etc.

Hell, Rocky's historically bad PP is just because he didn't believe in his unit enough?
- Flyers_01

All Drysdale needs is proper motivation. Even though it will be more of the same that he has heard over and over, it will make him a better player. That is what head coaches are there for. What a clown.

Tortorella on Drysdale :

"I think he's a work in progress, I think he has a lot to learn," Tortorella said. "I think he has a lot to learn about positioning, time and space. He hasn't played a lot, he has been banged up. For the past couple of years, he has been hurt. ... Anaheim played a man-on-man defense and he's trying to figure out how we're playing with our zone coverage."

Sounds like Torts was saying Drysdale needs more than an attaboy. Not sure why teams hire strength and conditioning coaches, skating coaches, goalie coaches, etc. if all they do is tell the player they believe in them because the player never needs insight into the best way to train, skate, etc.

Hell, Rocky's historically bad PP is just because he didn't believe in his unit enough?
- Flyers_01

He’s not wrong

He’s not wrong
- ClaudeFather

No, but it's a far cry from :

“He was up the ice. I want him to go more,” Tortorella said. “He’s a candidate to be like a rover. Not a defenseman, a rover. He’s just on top of the ice the way he skates. There were a couple of times where he was up the ice and we didn’t get him the puck. He was aggressive. I think he’s more than willing to do that.”

He did the same thing when the Flyers signed TDA. Over the top praise when signing to :

"Last team he played for - Carolina - I think they could absorb some of that with their roster as far as maybe some of his deficiencies defensively," Tortorella said Thursday, according to The Athletic's Charlie O'Connor. "It kind of sticks out more with us."

"We know what Tony is. I'm a little bit - not disappointed - but the defensive liability is something we need to work at. I didn't think the amount of work that we need to do with him ... I didn't think that at the point in time that we got him. But it is what it is."

Hell, he was the last person on earth to finally admit that CAR sheltered TDA in ways the Flyers couldn't. So much for his eye test.

Torts hasn't been a very good evaluator of defensemen. He's been involved in 2 trades for offensive defensemen and both times has been blindsided by how much work their game needed. Hopefully this one doesn't end up in being scratched at the end of the season and a trade out of town.

how is it bad business? how ill it come back to haunt them?
- hello it's me 2050

It is said GMs dont like to deal with GMs who place offersheets. I have heard a story that Holmgren said it was harder for him to make trades because of his offersheet attempt on Weber. Other GMs were not pleased and he broke an unwritten rule in their eyes.

Shouldnt hurt STL though because Armstrong already has one foot out the door. Steen is primed to take over within the next year or two I think.

Maybe true, maybe not.

Happy 75th Clarkie! Loved him as a player but didn't always agree with things he did while in management. I still respect his contributions to the team in his heyday even if it makes me one of the problem fans.
That said, must be nice to be 75 and still have so much influence over a hockey team and their daily operations! He probably celebrated his birthday with Torts as opposed to his family and the 2 of them spent the day conspiring on how to bring in more muckers and grinders to play the Flyers way. Go Flyers!

Just when I think you couldn't embarrass yourself more. You prove me wrong.

What does the head coach do on the ice during a practice? Yell out motivation? How about in the locker room, using video and the chalk board. Show motivational speeches? You constantly make comments about playing the game at a significant level. If you did, you would know that head coaches are not just there for motivation.


When does this effect of hearing the same thing and hearing it all take effect? It would have to be the first day a new head coach shows up, right? So since they've heard it all, the coach would have no effect.


Now here is the kicker, and this will show what a dumb ass you are. Doesn't what a coach says to motivate a player, fall under the same umbrella of the players having heard it all? Many, many times according to you.

You don't even have simple common sense.
- MJL

I love how you came back hours later to add 3 paragraphs of nothing to your original post. Tell us you’ve never played without telling us you’ve never played. Gotta keep up appearances 😆

What do your Marty St. Louis YouTube videos tell you? 😂

I’m admonishing the Flyers for a complete lack of creativity, imagination and aggressiveness.
- mikeyo27

Give us some examples. With the position the flyers are in right now, both with the cap and the roster - who should they offer sheet? Should they be aggressive and trade assets and go for it? To me this sounds like you just want them to do something - anything. It’s the armchair gm version of “hit somebody!”

Give us some examples. With the position the flyers are in right now, both with the cap and the roster - who should they offer sheet? Should they be aggressive and trade assets and go for it? To me this sounds like you just want them to do something - anything. It’s the armchair gm version of “hit somebody!”
- anti-lame

I agree with the other guy. I think they should just do ANYTHING!!

Give us some examples. With the position the flyers are in right now, both with the cap and the roster - who should they offer sheet? Should they be aggressive and trade assets and go for it? To me this sounds like you just want them to do something - anything. It’s the armchair gm version of “hit somebody!”
- anti-lame

what position are they in?

Give us some examples. With the position the flyers are in right now, both with the cap and the roster - who should they offer sheet? Should they be aggressive and trade assets and go for it? To me this sounds like you just want them to do something - anything. It’s the armchair gm version of “hit somebody!”
- anti-lame

You want me to prove a negative? You want me to give examples of the Flyers inaction and lack of imagination and aggressiveness?

Look at the roster. Look at the coaching staff. Look at the bad contracts. Same centers as last year? Check. Same wingers as last year? Check. Same defense as last year? Check. Same goalies as last year? Check. Michkov is not an add, he is a Flyers draft pick that’s gonna actually make the team so that doesn’t count.

Any so-called pipeline talent making the team besides Michkov this year? Likely not.
Any aggressive trades? Nope.
Any contract dumps? Nope.
Any actual discussion of ND being Michkovs best friend? Check.

You want me to prove a negative? You want me to give examples of the Flyers inaction and lack of imagination and aggressiveness?

Look at the roster. Look at the coaching staff. Look at the bad contracts. Same centers as last year? Check. Same wingers as last year? Check. Same defense as last year? Check. Same goalies as last year? Check. Michkov is not an add, he is a Flyers draft pick that’s gonna actually make the team so that doesn’t count.

Any so-called pipeline talent making the team besides Michkov this year? Likely not.
Any aggressive trades? Nope.
Any contract dumps? Nope.
Any actual discussion of ND being Michkovs best friend? Check.
- mikeyo27

Michkov is not an add? Seriously? Was he on the team last year? If the Flyers are going to get somewhere. It will be through the draft. That is how the elite core of championship teams is built. Michkov was drafted.

Michkov is not an add? Seriously? Was he on the team last year? If the Flyers are going to get somewhere. It will be through the draft. That is how the elite core of championship teams is built. Michkov was drafted.
- MJL

Come on. I know you’re arguing for argument’s sake but you are well aware of the context. Flyers didn’t add Michkov. They did nothing for him to be here other than say his name at the draft last year.