Come on. I know you’re arguing for argument’s sake but you are well aware of the context. Flyers didn’t add Michkov. They did nothing for him to be here other than say his name at the draft last year.
- mikeyo27

Of course they added Michkov. He was not on the team last year. Teams are built through the draft. Players are acquired through the draft.

As far as the Flyers being aggressive with trades to add players. I don't want them to be at this point. They should've traded players to add future assets. Namely more high level draft picks. So they can ADD more players through the draft.

what position are they in?
- hello it's me 2050

Seeing how you’re here ar 7am, I’d say they’ve got you bent over pretty early.

Seeing how you’re here ar 7am, I’d say they’ve got you bent over pretty early.
- roenick97

thats a good one lamont. I will play along how do they have me bent over?

You want me to prove a negative? You want me to give examples of the Flyers inaction and lack of imagination and aggressiveness?

Look at the roster. Look at the coaching staff. Look at the bad contracts. Same centers as last year? Check. Same wingers as last year? Check. Same defense as last year? Check. Same goalies as last year? Check. Michkov is not an add, he is a Flyers draft pick that’s gonna actually make the team so that doesn’t count.

Any so-called pipeline talent making the team besides Michkov this year? Likely not.
Any aggressive trades? Nope.
Any contract dumps? Nope.
Any actual discussion of ND being Michkovs best friend? Check.
- mikeyo27

None of this says anything! What do we propose we do with Coots and an injured Risto? What defense are you trading? We will have a hopefully healthier Drysdale. We only saw this goalie tandem at the end of the season - we don’t even know what we have in them yet. Should we make a trade? We are a very young team as it is. What pipeline of talent is knocking down the door? We also have a good group of wingers made better with Michkov added and Can removed.

I’m not saying don’t do anything we are good but every teams situation is so different, what’s the point of knocking the flyers down a peg because they didn’t do what another team did?

I get you don’t want to “run it back” change for the sake of change isn’t always the best course of action. Overall our players are too young to just move them just because.

Come on. I know you’re arguing for argument’s sake but you are well aware of the context. Flyers didn’t add Michkov. They did nothing for him to be here other than say his name at the draft last year.
- mikeyo27

Lol it took a hell of a lot more than just “say his name at the draft” to get him on the team next year

A little ribbing and chirping is healthy but some of you guys take the animosity way too far. Some of you flat out behave like stalkers and bullies.

Touch some grass folks.

A little ribbing and chirping is healthy but some of you guys take the animosity way too far. Some of you flat out behave like stalkers and bullies.

Touch some grass folks.
- Tomahawk

None of this says anything! What do we propose we do with Coots and an injured Risto? What defense are you trading? We will have a hopefully healthier Drysdale. We only saw this goalie tandem at the end of the season - we don’t even know what we have in them yet. Should we make a trade? We are a very young team as it is. What pipeline of talent is knocking down the door? We also have a good group of wingers made better with Michkov.
- anti-lame

The Flyers have a handful of players that are essentially untradable. Ellis and Risto no one will take for at least two more seasons. You would have to trade TK this year or he is here for at least 6 years. Coots, Seeler and Sanheim have NTC's. So that is $36mil that you cannot move. Couple that with all of the dead space and you are basically locked into this roster for two years.

A roster that is not contending or even close. TK, Sanheim and Coots are all here for at least 6 years. At least Michkov should be fun to watch.

The Flyers have a handful of players that are essentially untradable. Ellis and Risto no one will take for at least two more seasons. You would have to trade TK this year or he is here for at least 6 years. Coots, Seeler and Sanheim have NTC's. So that is $36mil that you cannot move. Couple that with all of the dead space and you are basically locked into this roster for two years.

A roster that is not contending or even close. TK, Sanheim and Coots are all here for at least 6 years. At least Michkov should be fun to watch.
- mickel25

I don't think this is true in the Risto case. I think he can show he can play at the level he was playing at before he got injured. I think there will be a market for him. Now that the cap has gone up significantly, Risto's contract is not that bad and the Flyers can even cover $1M per year remaining which would make him a very attractive target, especially at the deadline. The key is Risto has to be healthy and play as well as he did before he got hurt.

thats a good one lamont. I will play along how do they have me bent over?
- hello it's me 2050

They simply leaned you forward. It is the morning after, is it not?

I don't think this is true in the Risto case. I think he can show he can play at the level he was playing at before he got injured. I think there will be a market for him. Now that the cap has gone up significantly, Risto's contract is not that bad and the Flyers can even cover $1M per year remaining which would make him a very attractive target, especially at the deadline. The key is Risto has to be healthy and play as well as he did before he got hurt.
- jd250

Even if healthy they are eating a significant portion of his contract to move him for a positive return. I would be stunned if he is moved before he is in his last year of the current contract.

The Flyers have a handful of players that are essentially untradable. Ellis and Risto no one will take for at least two more seasons. You would have to trade TK this year or he is here for at least 6 years. Coots, Seeler and Sanheim have NTC's. So that is $36mil that you cannot move. Couple that with all of the dead space and you are basically locked into this roster for two years.

A roster that is not contending or even close. TK, Sanheim and Coots are all here for at least 6 years. At least Michkov should be fun to watch.
- mickel25

Someone will 100% take Risto, GMs love big nasty Dmen. Any deal likely requires a contract sent back or retianed salary which im not a fan of. He will be hard to move but he can be moved.

Ellis I think can be moved easily. Contenders want those contracts for the LTIR to exceed the cap.

Flyers have Petersen, Ryan Johansen coming off the books, thats 7-8 mill right there. Ellis you know is LTIR for the rest of his career so they can exceed the cap by 6 mill

DeAngelo is off the books next season

EJ off the books next season

Hayes and Atkinson the season after that. (Approx 5 mill)

Flyers have 17.705 mill in free cap to sign 3 RFAs(That we care about) + Ellis LTIR space + the cap increase

Flyers can also move someone like Laughton out for 3 mill in space. Cates is currently making more than Hathaway, I doubt that continues. Probably something more comparable to Deslaurier or Poehling.

Deslaurier can also be waived and sent down if needed as well. It would bury most of his contract.

Cap situation isnt great but its far from bad.

No one outside of TK, Coots and Sanheim have NTC so literally anyone on the team could be moved at any point. Nothing is locked aside from 3 players.

I don't think this is true in the Risto case. I think he can show he can play at the level he was playing at before he got injured. I think there will be a market for him. Now that the cap has gone up significantly, Risto's contract is not that bad and the Flyers can even cover $1M per year remaining which would make him a very attractive target, especially at the deadline. The key is Risto has to be healthy and play as well as he did before he got hurt.
- jd250

His level of play is that of a 3rd pair defenseman.


Why would a team want to waste their extra cap space increase on a non difference making 3rd pair defenseman? Ask yourself that question.

He is not worth anywhere near his cap hit. At 50% possibly in time. Keep in mind he has no playoff track record. So can’t even base any trade on that history.

Someone will 100% take Risto, GMs love big nasty Dmen. Any deal likely requires a contract sent back or retianed salary which im not a fan of. He will be hard to move but he can be moved.

Ellis I think can be moved easily. Contenders want those contracts for the LTIR to exceed the cap.

Flyers have Petersen, Ryan Johansen coming off the books, thats 7-8 mill right there. Ellis you know is LTIR for the rest of his career so they can exceed the cap by 6 mill

DeAngelo is off the books next season

EJ off the books next season

Hayes and Atkinson the season after that. (Approx 5 mill)

Flyers have 17.705 mill in free cap to sign 3 RFAs(That we care about) + Ellis LTIR space + the cap increase

Flyers can also move someone like Laughton out for 3 mill in space. Cates is currently making more than Hathaway, I doubt that continues. Probably something more comparable to Deslaurier or Poehling.

Deslaurier can also be waived and sent down if needed as well. It would bury most of his contract.

Cap situation isnt great but its far from bad.

No one outside of TK, Coots and Sanheim have NTC so literally anyone on the team could be moved at any point. Nothing is locked aside from 3 players.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

So moving Risto will need to take on salary lol. Any GM will take Risto you just have to take back a contract that is just as bad 🤔 don’t contradict yourself or anything

His level of play is that of a 3rd pair defenseman.


Why would a team want to waste their extra cap space increase on a non difference making 3rd pair defenseman? Ask yourself that question.

He is not worth anywhere near his cap hit. At 50% possibly in time. Keep in mind he has no playoff track record. So can’t even base any trade on that history.
- furio16

Delusional

Someone will 100% take Risto, GMs love big nasty Dmen. Any deal likely requires a contract sent back or retianed salary which im not a fan of. He will be hard to move but he can be moved.

Ellis I think can be moved easily. Contenders want those contracts for the LTIR to exceed the cap.

Flyers have Petersen, Ryan Johansen coming off the books, thats 7-8 mill right there. Ellis you know is LTIR for the rest of his career so they can exceed the cap by 6 mill

DeAngelo is off the books next season

EJ off the books next season

Hayes and Atkinson the season after that. (Approx 5 mill)

Flyers have 17.705 mill in free cap to sign 3 RFAs(That we care about) + Ellis LTIR space + the cap increase

Flyers can also move someone like Laughton out for 3 mill in space. Cates is currently making more than Hathaway, I doubt that continues. Probably something more comparable to Deslaurier or Poehling.

Deslaurier can also be waived and sent down if needed as well. It would bury most of his contract.

Cap situation isnt great but its far from bad.

No one outside of TK, Coots and Sanheim have NTC so literally anyone on the team could be moved at any point. Nothing is locked aside from 3 players.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

How many years in a row have Flyers fans made that same rationalization? Of course they can make "moves". But they would be making most moves from a position of weakness due to mismanagement of the cap. That's the issue.

Risto will not get traded before the TDL in 2026.

Seeler has an NTC as well.

So moving Risto will need to take on salary lol. Any GM will take Risto you just have to take back a contract that is just as bad 🤔 don’t contradict yourself or anything
- ClaudeFather

It isnt contradicting. He is overpaid. Unless a GM thinks he is better than a 3rd pair D, you arent moving him without taking some money back. Im not saying it has to be another 5 mill player but they can take a contract back of 2-3 mil. Something like Kampf in TOR maybe at 2.4 mill. Flyers could bury at least half that contract in the minors.

Just because GMs would love a guy doesnt mean they would love the contract.

The Flyers have a handful of players that are essentially untradable. Ellis and Risto no one will take for at least two more seasons. You would have to trade TK this year or he is here for at least 6 years. Coots, Seeler and Sanheim have NTC's. So that is $36mil that you cannot move. Couple that with all of the dead space and you are basically locked into this roster for two years.

A roster that is not contending or even close. TK, Sanheim and Coots are all here for at least 6 years. At least Michkov should be fun to watch.
- mickel25

“But why can’t they make moves like these other teams?!” Lol

A little ribbing and chirping is healthy but some of you guys take the animosity way too far. Some of you flat out behave like stalkers and bullies.

Touch some grass folks.
- Tomahawk

That’s pretty rich coming from your camp 😆

How many years in a row have Flyers fans made that same rationalization? Of course they can make "moves". But they would be making most moves from a position of weakness due to mismanagement of the cap. That's the issue.

Risto will not get traded before the TDL in 2026.

Seeler has an NTC as well.
- mickel25

Seeler has a NTC for this season and next. He doesnt have one for the last two years of his deal.

Flyers cap situation has never been like it is today, Flyers always had big contracts with No move clauses or guys that just were not easy to move.

Moving players like Konecny, Farabee, Tippett, Frost, Michkov, York, Drysdale, Ersson, Brink, Foerster would be easy, especially before July 1st when all teams have cap space, IF the Flyers wanted to, which they most likely dont for most these players.

Risto can be moved next offseason. He is payed 5.5 next season and 4 mill in his final season. Teams wont care about a 2 year deal, it is why I didnt care too much about Fedotov's deal. If he sucks, whatever, just 1 year left after that season. It isnt like Jack Campbell where he had like 5 years left

The Flyers wouldnt be making any deals from a position of weakness, they are not desperate to clear cap, it is a want, not a need. Frankly Re-Signing Seeler was a mistake. I would have liked to see Attard, Ginning or Andrae make the jump. Two of them showed that they were ready last season.

Seeler has a NTC for this season and next. He doesnt have one for the last two years of his deal.

Flyers cap situation has never been like it is today, Flyers always had big contracts with No move clauses or guys that just were not easy to move.

Moving players like Konecny, Farabee, Tippett, Frost, Michkov, York, Drysdale, Ersson, Brink, Foerster would be easy, especially before July 1st when all teams have cap space, IF the Flyers wanted to, which they most likely dont for most these players.

Risto can be moved next offseason. He is payed 5.5 next season and 4 mill in his final season. Teams wont care about a 2 year deal, it is why I didnt care too much about Fedotov's deal. If he sucks, whatever, just 1 year left after that season. It isnt like Jack Campbell where he had like 5 years left

The Flyers wouldnt be making any deals from a position of weakness, they are not desperate to clear cap, it is a want, not a need. Frankly Re-Signing Seeler was a mistake. I would have liked to see Attard, Ginning or Andrae make the jump. Two of them showed that they were ready last season.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I get folks want younger players because apparently everyone 30+ is clinically dead but none of these guys are exactly busting down the door. I don’t even think they’re better than Seeler.

It isnt contradicting. He is overpaid. Unless a GM thinks he is better than a 3rd pair D, you arent moving him without taking some money back. Im not saying it has to be another 5 mill player but they can take a contract back of 2-3 mil. Something like Kampf in TOR maybe at 2.4 mill. Flyers could bury at least half that contract in the minors.

Just because GMs would love a guy doesnt mean they would love the contract.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Then stop saying he can easily be moved. He can’t.

I don't think this is true in the Risto case. I think he can show he can play at the level he was playing at before he got injured. I think there will be a market for him. Now that the cap has gone up significantly, Risto's contract is not that bad and the Flyers can even cover $1M per year remaining which would make him a very attractive target, especially at the deadline. The key is Risto has to be healthy and play as well as he did before he got hurt.
- jd250

Ristolainen at this point in time is a mediocre at best player who is in decline. Retaining 1M in salary would not make him an attractive player in the league. He is best suited for the 3rd pair at this point and 4M for that level of player, is not attractive. Any potential deal would most likely involve 50% retained or taking a bad contract back

They simply leaned you forward. It is the morning after, is it not?
- roenick97

who is "they" corky? anything else to offer today?

I get folks want younger players because apparently everyone 30+ is clinically dead but none of these guys are exactly busting down the door. I don’t even think they’re better than Seeler.
- anti-lame

are the flyers rebuilding or trying to make the playoffs?