strip the revolving A for starters
- drexel

Crazy he was ever given it to begin with. Crazier that they kept it on him. And will be absolutely ludicrous if he's still got it next season.

If he wants so badly to wear a letter, then he's seriously gotta (frank)ing earn it.

I think it’s more of a visual thing for me than a stat thing. Sure he may be producing at a decent level but he’s also playing in a top 6 with Matthews, nylander and Marner. All good scorers and playmakers. If he’s playing with the islanders he’s probably down 20 points a year especially because of the way the islanders play. JT isn’t getting any quicker and I honestly still stand by my 4x4 max. If he doesn’t want to take that then you let him walk. You can’t just give him and extra few million a year just for fun.
- bryant

Or is he up in points because he is a better option that gets more looks.

It's Tavares' only GWG in the playoffs with the Leafs. Marner has 3. In Series clinching games (games which can eliminate either opponent), Marner has 2 GWG. Nylander also has 3 GWG, 1 of which was in a clinching game.

Captain Matthews has 6 GWG, but only 1 in a Series clinching game.

Once again . . . the "yeah but how many game 7 points does he have?" is a silly argument, since without wins earlier in the series there is no game 7 to choke in. It is also a team game in general, so here's some stuff to note - but I will concede that Marner is not making a difference when a difference needs to be made. Some other things to consider:

Matthews has played in 5 game 7s, has no goals and 3 assists.
Tavares has played in 3 game 7s and has 1 goal and no assists.
Marner has played in 5 game 7s and has no goals and 2 assists.
Nylander has played in 5 game 7s and has 2 goals and 2 assists.

But I mean McDavid has played in 4 game 7s and has 1 goal and 1 assist. I probably wouldn't oust him.

Overall the Toronto Maple Leafs as a team have not gotten it done when it matters. Marner isn't the stick that stirs the drink, but he's a contributor. They are all being paid to be difference makers and none of them are making that difference.

Marner gets singled out by Leaf fans - and one thing they pointed out was his two passes to Edmundson in the slot in the playoffs - but the question shouldn't be why Marner was passing to him, it should be why he was the only goddamned Leaf willing to be in the slot when it mattered - and that was on a line with Tavares and Nylander.

One last bit of food for thought in general that gives some context, too:

Tavares is 16-22 in the playoffs (with Toronto) and has 9G-6A in wins (-13), and 3G-6A in losses.

Marner is 24-33 in the playoffs and has 7G-23A in wins and 4G-16A (-11) in losses.

Nylander is 23-31 in the playoffs and has 12G-11A in wins and 8G-12A (-10) in losses.

Matthews is 22-33 in the playoffs and has 15G-13A in wins and 8G-12A (-12) in losses.

For the same context - McDavid is 37-37 in the playoffs and has an astounding 19G-53A in wins and 18G-27A (-21) in losses.

The Oilers, in my opinion, have built everything around McDavid - so if you shut him down, you probably win - but the Leafs have paid through the nose to ensure that they are rolling out a top-6 that should be better than most top-3s - and they simply aren't.

Due to his age and ability I would 100% be keeping Marner *if* his next contract stays in the same realm as Nylander and even then both contracts are hard to digest - and Tavares would be based on whether he expects his next contract to exceed $5m and what term he's thinking - although I will concede that is my feeling based on what I expect from him this season (continued relatively slow decline - around 25 goals and 60 points seems fair - he's only 34).
- Monkeypunk

Man I feel bad (not being sarcastic!) about wasting your time. I don’t care about the fancy stats really at all - I was just chirping a guy with my post. He mentioned playoff stats as an argument and is a Marnie so I figured I’d quick chirp with that.

With Mitchy and the playoffs - I see a scared little bit each and every year who has less time and space force plays, rush plays and just plain disappear. Those are my personal analytics or sight my man!

I didn’t read the whole thing but I do agree with the oft I saw about Game 7 stats etc., it certainly depends on how many you’ve played in…ti me like the ‘on pace for’ that I don’t like.

Crazy he was ever given it to begin with. Crazier that they kept it on him. And will be absolutely ludicrous if he's still got it next season.

If he wants so badly to wear a letter, then he's seriously gotta (frank)ing earn it.
- GreatGigInTheSky

There is someone somewhere (wink) who heard the news and threw a fit that Mitchy the Best Leaf All Time MVP wasn’t given the ‘C’

It's Tavares' only GWG in the playoffs with the Leafs. Marner has 3. In Series clinching games (games which can eliminate either opponent), Marner has 2 GWG. Nylander also has 3 GWG, 1 of which was in a clinching game.

Captain Matthews has 6 GWG, but only 1 in a Series clinching game.

Once again . . . the "yeah but how many game 7 points does he have?" is a silly argument, since without wins earlier in the series there is no game 7 to choke in. It is also a team game in general, so here's some stuff to note - but I will concede that Marner is not making a difference when a difference needs to be made. Some other things to consider:

Matthews has played in 5 game 7s, has no goals and 3 assists.
Tavares has played in 3 game 7s and has 1 goal and no assists.
Marner has played in 5 game 7s and has no goals and 2 assists.
Nylander has played in 5 game 7s and has 2 goals and 2 assists.

But I mean McDavid has played in 4 game 7s and has 1 goal and 1 assist. I probably wouldn't oust him.

Overall the Toronto Maple Leafs as a team have not gotten it done when it matters. Marner isn't the stick that stirs the drink, but he's a contributor. They are all being paid to be difference makers and none of them are making that difference.

Marner gets singled out by Leaf fans - and one thing they pointed out was his two passes to Edmundson in the slot in the playoffs - but the question shouldn't be why Marner was passing to him, it should be why he was the only goddamned Leaf willing to be in the slot when it mattered - and that was on a line with Tavares and Nylander.

One last bit of food for thought in general that gives some context, too:

Tavares is 16-22 in the playoffs (with Toronto) and has 9G-6A in wins (-13), and 3G-6A in losses.

Marner is 24-33 in the playoffs and has 7G-23A in wins and 4G-16A (-11) in losses.

Nylander is 23-31 in the playoffs and has 12G-11A in wins and 8G-12A (-10) in losses.

Matthews is 22-33 in the playoffs and has 15G-13A in wins and 8G-12A (-12) in losses.

For the same context - McDavid is 37-37 in the playoffs and has an astounding 19G-53A in wins and 18G-27A (-21) in losses.

The Oilers, in my opinion, have built everything around McDavid - so if you shut him down, you probably win - but the Leafs have paid through the nose to ensure that they are rolling out a top-6 that should be better than most top-3s - and they simply aren't.

Due to his age and ability I would 100% be keeping Marner *if* his next contract stays in the same realm as Nylander and even then both contracts are hard to digest - and Tavares would be based on whether he expects his next contract to exceed $5m and what term he's thinking - although I will concede that is my feeling based on what I expect from him this season (continued relatively slow decline - around 25 goals and 60 points seems fair - he's only 34).
- Monkeypunk

I think part of the Marner gets signaled out is because of the eye test.. In the playoffs Marner has made a bunch of horrendous giveaways at the blueline and avoids contact..

Anchovy and pineapple pizza to my face.
- Zezel

There's a pizza joint called Big Brothers Gourmet Pizza. It's where Enrico's Pizza used to be, at the corner of Kingston and Birchmount.

I got a party size Italian Meatball (Tomato Sauce, Mozzarella Cheese, Meatball, Red Onion, Hot Banana Peppers & Oregano.)

poop was really good.

Kinda expensive, though.

they may be horrible by a country mile but there his opinions/not facts like we have ours.
I hardly agree with the user takes unless you want to destroy a team.
- dmnted

I'll always love the saying "facts don't care about your feelings", and that fits so well with most of the nonsense he says.

There's a pizza joint called Big Brothers Gourmet Pizza. It's where Enrico's Pizza used to be, at the corner of Kingston and Birchmount.

I got a party size Italian Meatball (Tomato Sauce, Mozzarella Cheese, Meatball, Red Onion, Hot Banana Peppers & Oregano.)

poop was really good.

Kinda expensive, though.
- GreatGigInTheSky

In Milton the best pizza joint I've found is Luigis. Not too expensive. Wings aren't too pricey and very good as well

It's Tavares' only GWG in the playoffs with the Leafs. Marner has 3. In Series clinching games (games which can eliminate either opponent), Marner has 2 GWG. Nylander also has 3 GWG, 1 of which was in a clinching game.

Captain Matthews has 6 GWG, but only 1 in a Series clinching game.

Once again . . . the "yeah but how many game 7 points does he have?" is a silly argument, since without wins earlier in the series there is no game 7 to choke in. It is also a team game in general, so here's some stuff to note - but I will concede that Marner is not making a difference when a difference needs to be made. Some other things to consider:

Matthews has played in 5 game 7s, has no goals and 3 assists.
Tavares has played in 3 game 7s and has 1 goal and no assists.
Marner has played in 5 game 7s and has no goals and 2 assists.
Nylander has played in 5 game 7s and has 2 goals and 2 assists.

But I mean McDavid has played in 4 game 7s and has 1 goal and 1 assist. I probably wouldn't oust him.

Overall the Toronto Maple Leafs as a team have not gotten it done when it matters. Marner isn't the stick that stirs the drink, but he's a contributor. They are all being paid to be difference makers and none of them are making that difference.

Marner gets singled out by Leaf fans - and one thing they pointed out was his two passes to Edmundson in the slot in the playoffs - but the question shouldn't be why Marner was passing to him, it should be why he was the only goddamned Leaf willing to be in the slot when it mattered - and that was on a line with Tavares and Nylander.

One last bit of food for thought in general that gives some context, too:

Tavares is 16-22 in the playoffs (with Toronto) and has 9G-6A in wins (-13), and 3G-6A in losses.

Marner is 24-33 in the playoffs and has 7G-23A in wins and 4G-16A (-11) in losses.

Nylander is 23-31 in the playoffs and has 12G-11A in wins and 8G-12A (-10) in losses.

Matthews is 22-33 in the playoffs and has 15G-13A in wins and 8G-12A (-12) in losses.

For the same context - McDavid is 37-37 in the playoffs and has an astounding 19G-53A in wins and 18G-27A (-21) in losses.

The Oilers, in my opinion, have built everything around McDavid - so if you shut him down, you probably win - but the Leafs have paid through the nose to ensure that they are rolling out a top-6 that should be better than most top-3s - and they simply aren't.

Due to his age and ability I would 100% be keeping Marner *if* his next contract stays in the same realm as Nylander and even then both contracts are hard to digest - and Tavares would be based on whether he expects his next contract to exceed $5m and what term he's thinking - although I will concede that is my feeling based on what I expect from him this season (continued relatively slow decline - around 25 goals and 60 points seems fair - he's only 34).
- Monkeypunk

He doesn't care about evidence but well done.

I'll always love the saying "facts don't care about your feelings", and that fits so well with most of the nonsense he says.
- GreatGigInTheSky

At least people aren't constantly being told to "Learn to read"

I think part of the Marner gets signaled out is because of the eye test.. In the playoffs Marner has made a bunch of horrendous giveaways at the blueline and avoids contact..
- Azuredoom

This is where recency bias is real to me. I am in no way denying that Marner definitely looked cowed this year and in the playoffs against Florida, too - I think he absolutely did. But we have seen it from Nylander previously as well and this year - for the first time really - he stepped it up and played through it. I'm excited to see that for him, but it doesn't change the fact that this is the first time he's changed the narrative surrounding that aspect of his game.

From the way he has played in the played in the past I am not certain that Marner can't do the same thing. One thing I keep thinking is that he got hurt around game 3 against Florida and this year he entered the playoffs hurt. I don't think Marner plays as well or as confidently hurt and that's when you see him shy away from it.

Is it something he can learn to deal with or play through? I guess he has this year to show up or shut up. He has the talent and the skill to be a difference maker for the team but it also requires the team around him to show up as well.

There is someone somewhere (wink) who heard the news and threw a fit that Mitchy the Best Leaf All Time MVP wasn’t given the ‘C’
- Big23Questions

"Mitch Marner should be the Captain"- Paul Marner's burner account

Sister going to see Idol up in Bala tonight… 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

He doesn't care about evidence but well done.
- Rare_Jewel

You have never once provided evidence to factuality your opinions. They are just opinions. You state your opinion then back them up with more opinion.

Monkey was providing stats thy I agreed with - or at least the idea that it is hard to compare something like game 7 stats, as some players have just had more opportunity in game 7 cause they played in more.

Your posts about Tavares was nothing but opinion bud. Just some doses opinion. As was mine.

You did point out though that if Leafs resign an old JT they would be the Cup winner that same year. So at the end of the day we agree. Signing JT to a modest 2/3 year deal would be the best!

You have never once provided evidence to factuality your opinions.
- Big23Questions

You’re so right

You’re so right
- Rare_Jewel

I know. It’s ok man. You’ll get there. Sign up for the NHL Centre Ice pack and watch more games.

The crying emoji was a bit much no? Do you have a friend to call?

Offer sheets eh? 😳

Doobs traded for Glass too

Offer sheets eh? 😳

Doobs traded for Glass too
- mr.sir

I offer to sheet on your face.

(frank) Glass. He's ass.

(frank) doobs nothing he does is ever goods.

I offer to sheet on your face.

(frank) Glass. He's ass.

(frank) doobs nothing he does is ever goods.
- systemtool

Eminem? Is that you?

Offer sheets eh? 😳

Doobs traded for Glass too
- mr.sir

It's a bit of a head scratcher. Glass makes $2.5m - which isn't an insane amount. He's a former 6th overall pick - who doesn't look like he's panning out, but he is a prototypical power forward who are sometimes slower to develop.

So the things I take out of that:

1) Dubas has apparently learned that size matters. Glass isn't huge, but 6'3 / 210 is big enough.

2) Nashville traded Glass and then paid a 3rd and a 6th to Pittsburgh to take him; the player they received in return is not likely an NHL player.

Meanwhile Pittsburgh has 52 contracts, which is in excess of the 50 contract cap and will have to do something about that, too. You'd think that Dubas would at least have dumped one more useless contract in that move - Nashville has 44 out of 50 slots - but the move does bring them up to $3m in space.

Eminem? Is that you?
- Scabeh

I'm standing up, I'm standing up.

It's a bit of a head scratcher. Glass makes $2.5m - which isn't an insane amount. He's a former 6th overall pick - who doesn't look like he's panning out, but he is a prototypical power forward who are sometimes slower to develop.

So the things I take out of that:

1) Dubas has apparently learned that size matters. Glass isn't huge, but 6'3 / 210 is big enough.

2) Nashville traded Glass and then paid a 3rd and a 6th to Pittsburgh to take him; the player they received in return is not likely an NHL player.

Meanwhile Pittsburgh has 52 contracts, which is in excess of the 50 contract cap and will have to do something about that, too. You'd think that Dubas would at least have dumped one more useless contract in that move - Nashville has 44 out of 50 slots - but the move does bring them up to $3m in space.
- Monkeypunk

As the great Eklund would say "More to cum."

As the great Eklund would say "More to cum."
- AdamFrench

Eklund died last night while trying to be the first person to cross the Atlantic ocean in a gas-filled douchebag.

It's a bit of a head scratcher. Glass makes $2.5m - which isn't an insane amount. He's a former 6th overall pick - who doesn't look like he's panning out, but he is a prototypical power forward who are sometimes slower to develop.

So the things I take out of that:

1) Dubas has apparently learned that size matters. Glass isn't huge, but 6'3 / 210 is big enough.

2) Nashville traded Glass and then paid a 3rd and a 6th to Pittsburgh to take him; the player they received in return is not likely an NHL player.

Meanwhile Pittsburgh has 52 contracts, which is in excess of the 50 contract cap and will have to do something about that, too. You'd think that Dubas would at least have dumped one more useless contract in that move - Nashville has 44 out of 50 slots - but the move does bring them up to $3m in space.
- Monkeypunk

Weird cap dump on Nashville side of thing. Like that's a lot of picks to move for a 2.5 million guy.

C'mon MiB

Stop keeping us on the edge our seats....WHO IS #31 on the Leafs prospect list