not today, but the discussion is who on their current roster or in their prospect pool have a shot at being a top 20 player at their position. Foerster without a doubt has a shot and York does as well. I would say less of chance than Foerster, but he is a young puck moving two dman and he is already very good. Only thing holding him back would be not getting pp1 time. However, I do not think its crazy to believe he will be a top 20 dman in a couple of years. Remember he looked as good as he looked last yr on a team which is still finding their way.
- 26912 PP

Flyers fans are overselling York at this point in time. He's a solid player with lots of room to grow. Comparatively speaking though with the rest of the league. At this point in time, I would not label him as very good. We'll see what steps he takes this season.

some i think are only happy when they are constantly complaining. To go on for months or years about how mediocre RR is, and torts is bad, and the old guard has too much influence, andwe are not in a rebuild....you can tell that complaining makes some people happy
- bradster

I wish he was merely mediocre

I wish he was merely mediocre
- TobyFlenderson

Same here. The lack of logic and common sense that some have. If for example, you want erroneously post how much Ristolainen has improved. You can do that until the cows come home and it's not a problem. However if you accurately post the reality of the player and of the team. We'll, you're just miserable. Some.people are just idiots

I mean Farabee has every chance to be as good as Konecny. He has a 30 goal 70 point ceiling.

You also have to remember we had league worst PP. You get this PP to middle of the pack around 20% and thats around 20 extra Powerplay goals. Thats going to improve some players stats a bit. Foerster also had a 20 goal rookie season. Im really high on him too.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

No he doesn’t. You could tell TK had something in him even a few years ago.

not today, but the discussion is who on their current roster or in their prospect pool have a shot at being a top 20 player at their position. Foerster without a doubt has a shot and York does as well. I would say less of chance than Foerster, but he is a young puck moving two dman and he is already very good. Only thing holding him back would be not getting pp1 time. However, I do not think it’s crazy to believe he will be a top 20 dman in a couple of years. Remember he looked as good as he looked last yr on a team which is still finding their way.
- 26912 PP

I do not see York on any day in the future as a top 20 defenseman.

I don’t know how anyone around here could even whisper the words “tank” and bring up that they want the PP to improve in the same sentence. I think we’ll miss the playoffs but I think this Flyers team desperately needs career high’s from Farabee, Frost, Tippett Foerster, Brink, York, Drysdale and even Konency himself. This is only going to come with close to the same success as last season.

some i think are only happy when they are constantly complaining. To go on for months or years about how mediocre RR is, and torts is bad, and the old guard has too much influence, andwe are not in a rebuild....you can tell that complaining makes some people happy
- bradster

It’s a fair point, always need to limit oneself if it gets too much. Think most people know themselves.

I will say that I think the negative attention they get is not only warranted, but necessary. Briere might not be any better, but don’t think for a second Comcast - and the Flyers, weren’t aware that the fanbase wanted Fletcher fired.

If there is any real hope of significant change of that front office, it will be from fan pressure - and declining sales. We are 3 failed GMs in, the question is when will a portion of the die hards realize they are supporting an incompetent country club?

I don’t know how anyone around here could even whisper the words “tank” and bring up that they want the PP to improve in the same sentence. I think we’ll miss the playoffs but I think this Flyers team desperately needs career high’s from Farabee, Frost, Tippett Foerster, Brink, York, Drysdale and even Konency himself. This is only going to come with close to the same success as last season.
- roenick97

I don't agree. Teams below the Flyers in the standings have far better power plays. Why? Teams icing marginal rosters with marginal players. Are these marginal players better than the Flyers players?

The point is success in the standings or a star studded roster isn't required for an "average to slightly below average" PP, or at least to not have the worst PP in league history.

Teams that do a proper rebuild have far better PP even at their nadir than the Flyers, that's a fact. As much as people love to blame the players, it's not just them. Nobody expects this group to be elite but at least show that you belong in the same league as the other 31 teams.

I know Bill doesn't care about Rocky until they get better talent but Rocky is the reason why the current talent isn't being properly evaluated on the PP and that is going to hinder those players who are currently flailing going forward.

Good rebuilding teams worry about the top of the roster and fill in the bottom. The Flyers worry about the bottom of the roster and try to fill in the top.

I don't agree. Teams below the Flyers in the standings have far better power plays. Why? Teams icing marginal rosters with marginal players. Are these marginal players better than the Flyers players?

The point is success in the standings or a star studded roster isn't required for an "average to slightly below average" PP, or at least to not have the worst PP in league history.

Teams that do a proper rebuild have far better PP even at their nadir than the Flyers, that's a fact. As much as people love to blame the players, it's not just them. Nobody expects this group to be elite but at least show that you belong in the same league as the other 31 teams.

I know Bill doesn't care about Rocky until they get better talent but Rocky is the reason why the current talent isn't being properly evaluated on the PP and that is going to hinder those players who are currently flailing going forward.

Good rebuilding teams worry about the top of the roster and fill in the bottom. The Flyers worry about the bottom of the roster and try to fill in the top.
- Flyers_01

Do you believe this is a marginal roster? This roster isn’t what Chicago is or supposed to be. The Flyers are going want the players I named to produce.

Which IMO is directly related to the fact that we have no players in the top 20 except Konecny. I am also high on Foerster, I just don't see him rising to the level of a top 20 winger in the NHL. Farabee still has some more to give I agree.
- MBFlyerfan

I dont think its a talent issue, there is more than enough talent to not be this bad. I dont expect them to have a potent PP like EDM but it shouldnt be 12% either.

I think it is just poor coaching. The way the Flyers run the PP, they dont have the guy for. Ex. They want to run the PP like they did with Giroux but we dont have a guy like Giroux that the PP can run through. Frost is the closest guy and he is light years away from Giroux in his prime. Not to mention that they got some good goal scorers that they never setup for One timers. They also never try anything different. Just beat their heads against a brick wall and hope you break through. Try other strategies!

Have a guy down low behind the net, Goalie cant see behind the net, move the puck quickly to someone in a shooting position and the goaile needs to track and react real fast.

I dont think its a talent issue, there is more than enough talent to not be this bad. I dont expect them to have a potent PP like EDM but it shouldnt be 12% either.

I think it is just poor coaching. The way the Flyers run the PP, they dont have the guy for. Ex. They want to run the PP like they did with Giroux but we dont have a guy like Giroux that the PP can run through. Frost is the closest guy and he is light years away from Giroux in his prime. Not to mention that they got some good goal scorers that they never setup for One timers. They also never try anything different. Just beat their heads against a brick wall and hope you break through. Try other strategies!

Have a guy down low behind the net, Goalie cant see behind the net, move the puck quickly to someone in a shooting position and the goaile needs to track and react real fast.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Your post here needs some context. You can't on one hand say it's not a talent issue and then say they don't have a player to run the PP through, such as Giroux. It is certainly in part a talent issue. What can be said in my opinion is that the Flyers have enough talent to at least have a mediocre PP, rather than an epically bad PP. Coaching is definitely an issue with that.

Your post here needs some context. You can't on one hand say it's not a talent issue and then say they don't have a player to run the PP through, such as Giroux. It is certainly in part a talent issue. What can be said in my opinion is that the Flyers have enough talent to at least have a mediocre PP, rather than an epically bad PP. Coaching is definitely an issue with that.
- MJL

They absolutely do not have the talent to be a mediocre PP

They absolutely do not have the talent to be a mediocre PP
- ClaudeFather

Sure they do. As has been pointed out, teams with less talent have significantly better PP's. They have the talent to get up into the 15-18% range. Just watch the PP. How may passes are made to a player who is not in an attack position. Not in a shooting position that doesn't make the defense react and move. To create openings and opportunities. Constantly rimming the puck around. Improvements in coaching can improve that and they have some offensive talent. This coaching staff as a whole has no clue on how to coach offensive hockey in the offensive zone. On the PP or other manpower situations.

not today, but the discussion is who on their current roster or in their prospect pool have a shot at being a top 20 player at their position. Foerster without a doubt has a shot and York does as well. I would say less of chance than Foerster, but he is a young puck moving two dman and he is already very good. Only thing holding him back would be not getting pp1 time. However, I do not think its crazy to believe he will be a top 20 dman in a couple of years. Remember he looked as good as he looked last yr on a team which is still finding their way.
- 26912 PP

You must be really high on Forest and York... or maybe just high?

Sure they do. As has been pointed out, teams with less talent have significantly better PP's. They have the talent to get up into the 15-18% range. Just watch the PP. How may passes are made to a player who is not in an attack position. Not in a shooting position that doesn't make the defense react and move. To create openings and opportunities. Constantly rimming the puck around. Improvements in coaching can improve that and they have some offensive talent. This coaching staff as a whole has no clue on how to coach offensive hockey in the offensive zone. On the PP or other manpower situations.
- MJL

Name 10 teams with less talent to ice a PP than the flyers. Especially last year. Even teams that are bad like Colombus or islanders have a Gaudreau or Dobson that elevate their PP. The flyers tried every single Dman we have back there and none of them stuck. Not arguing their strategy could certainly be better but to what , 25th ranked instead of 30th

Your post here needs some context. You can't on one hand say it's not a talent issue and then say they don't have a player to run the PP through, such as Giroux. It is certainly in part a talent issue. What can be said in my opinion is that the Flyers have enough talent to at least have a mediocre PP, rather than an epically bad PP. Coaching is definitely an issue with that.
- MJL

He didn't say that they need the talent of a player like Giroux to run the pp effectively. He said they have failed to adapt their system to the absence of a player with Giroux's strengths.

In as much as this adaptation is possible to do, it is part of coaching, and his post is not just consistent with what he has been saying, but also provides more support for it (by fleshing out what he means).

I don't agree. Teams below the Flyers in the standings have far better power plays. Why? Teams icing marginal rosters with marginal players. Are these marginal players better than the Flyers players?

The point is success in the standings or a star studded roster isn't required for an "average to slightly below average" PP, or at least to not have the worst PP in league history.

Teams that do a proper rebuild have far better PP even at their nadir than the Flyers, that's a fact. As much as people love to blame the players, it's not just them. Nobody expects this group to be elite but at least show that you belong in the same league as the other 31 teams.

I know Bill doesn't care about Rocky until they get better talent but Rocky is the reason why the current talent isn't being properly evaluated on the PP and that is going to hinder those players who are currently flailing going forward.

Good rebuilding teams worry about the top of the roster and fill in the bottom. The Flyers worry about the bottom of the roster and try to fill in the top.
- Flyers_01

SPOT ON!!

Good job Sir!

I don't agree. Teams below the Flyers in the standings have far better power plays. Why? Teams icing marginal rosters with marginal players. Are these marginal players better than the Flyers players?

The point is success in the standings or a star studded roster isn't required for an "average to slightly below average" PP, or at least to not have the worst PP in league history.

Teams that do a proper rebuild have far better PP even at their nadir than the Flyers, that's a fact. As much as people love to blame the players, it's not just them. Nobody expects this group to be elite but at least show that you belong in the same league as the other 31 teams.

I know Bill doesn't care about Rocky until they get better talent but Rocky is the reason why the current talent isn't being properly evaluated on the PP and that is going to hinder those players who are currently flailing going forward.

Good rebuilding teams worry about the top of the roster and fill in the bottom. The Flyers worry about the bottom of the roster and try to fill in the top.
- Flyers_01

I’m tired of all this Rocky bashing. Don’t you know that he gave a really good book report at a coaching conference in 2015?

I dont think its a talent issue, there is more than enough talent to not be this bad. I dont expect them to have a potent PP like EDM but it shouldnt be 12% either.

I think it is just poor coaching. The way the Flyers run the PP, they dont have the guy for. Ex. They want to run the PP like they did with Giroux but we dont have a guy like Giroux that the PP can run through. Frost is the closest guy and he is light years away from Giroux in his prime. Not to mention that they got some good goal scorers that they never setup for One timers. They also never try anything different. Just beat their heads against a brick wall and hope you break through. Try other strategies!

Have a guy down low behind the net, Goalie cant see behind the net, move the puck quickly to someone in a shooting position and the goaile needs to track and react real fast.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Cant be -- it was bad under other people to!

Guys, did you read the previous blog?

I peeked in here after a week or so and back read a little.

OMFG!



You should all mosey on over and take a peek. It is an utter masterpiece, which very very few places in the Internet can compete with.

I bookmarked it.

Guys, did you read the previous blog?

I peeked in here after a week or so and back read a little.

OMFG!



You should all mosey on over and take a peek. It is an utter masterpiece, which very very few places in the Internet can compete with.

I bookmarked it.
- PT21

Wtf happened?

some i think are only happy when they are constantly complaining. To go on for months or years about how mediocre RR is, and torts is bad, and the old guard has too much influence, andwe are not in a rebuild....you can tell that complaining makes some people happy
- bradster

….well we really aren’t in a rebuild…

Do you believe this is a marginal roster? This roster isn’t what Chicago is or supposed to be. The Flyers are going want the players I named to produce.
- roenick97

I'm sure they want them to produce on the PP and maybe the talent level with Michkov added will allow them to overcome their coaching.

I am just pointing out that talent level alone doesn't justify the epically poor results nor does the team being the playoff/playoff hunt matter in that regard.

Flyers fans are overselling York at this point in time. He's a solid player with lots of room to grow. Comparatively speaking though with the rest of the league. At this point in time, I would not label him as very good. We'll see what steps he takes this season.
- MJL

If he were on a deep team with a functioning PP maybe he could put up some numbers... but top-20 would require a hell of a leap forward for him. Top-20 is bonafide #1 dman territory, borderline elite.

I don't agree. Teams below the Flyers in the standings have far better power plays. Why? Teams icing marginal rosters with marginal players. Are these marginal players better than the Flyers players?

The point is success in the standings or a star studded roster isn't required for an "average to slightly below average" PP, or at least to not have the worst PP in league history.

Teams that do a proper rebuild have far better PP even at their nadir than the Flyers, that's a fact. As much as people love to blame the players, it's not just them. Nobody expects this group to be elite but at least show that you belong in the same league as the other 31 teams.

I know Bill doesn't care about Rocky until they get better talent but Rocky is the reason why the current talent isn't being properly evaluated on the PP and that is going to hinder those players who are currently flailing going forward.

Good rebuilding teams worry about the top of the roster and fill in the bottom. The Flyers worry about the bottom of the roster and try to fill in the top.
- Flyers_01

Rocky needs to go and it's as simple as that. That's also a very astute comment by you about them building from the bottom up. I never really looked at it that way, but it sure seems to be true. Let's lock up our grinders and we'll worry about true talent later on. Ouch!