Wtf happened?
- ClaudeFather

I don't want to (frank) up this thread as well. Also I am busy.

I will try to post (on that blog) a tour guide of the monuments to stupidity and misinformation that were valiantly erected there and link to it sometime in the near future.

I'm sure they want them to produce on the PP and maybe the talent level with Michkov added will allow them to overcome their coaching.

I am just pointing out that talent level alone doesn't justify the epically poor results nor does the team being the playoff/playoff hunt matter in that regard.
- Flyers_01

Hang on, let’s back up. What I was trying to say is, fans cannot ask for a better power play while hoping to tank. They can’t expect improvement from individual players and expect to tank. I don’t expect to challenge for the playoffs. We may flirt with it, if some of these guys start reaching their potential but not make it. Too many holes..

I have been shown the error of my ways. I now believe that RR is a quality defenseman who is a bargain at his cap hit. I believe Torts is an all time great coach who is just the man to lead us to a cup. I think the old guard, or as I will call them, The Experience Brigade, knows exactly how to build a cup winner in todays NHL, and that we never needed to be in a rebuild. Since I have never played the game except for street hockey, from now on I will only parrot opinions that are approved by the team and their real fans because what do I know? After all I am not Ken Hitchcock. All hail the Standard! We don't need to ever win a cup, that is not why we are here. We are here to post the right way about the team that plays the right way.

I feel so liberated.

- MBFlyerfan

Love the parrot avatar!

Im sorry but it has been made quite clear in here that you are not qualified to have an opinion on the sport. It is just the way it is. Our superiors have deemed it so. Feel free to post about other things hockey related however.
- MBFlyerfan

Everyone’s allowed to have an opinion, even if they never played. But people who never played aren’t allowed to tell me what I’m looking at, mick

I don't want to (frank) up this thread as well. Also I am busy.

I will try to post (on that blog) a tour guide of the monuments to stupidity and misinformation that were valiantly erected there and link to it sometime in the near future.
- PT21

This day just got better….

Everyone’s allowed to have an opinion, even if they never played. But people who never played aren’t allowed to tell me what I’m looking at, mick
- anti-lame

Funny that has been happening on here for ever.

Your post here needs some context. You can't on one hand say it's not a talent issue and then say they don't have a player to run the PP through, such as Giroux. It is certainly in part a talent issue. What can be said in my opinion is that the Flyers have enough talent to at least have a mediocre PP, rather than an epically bad PP. Coaching is definitely an issue with that.
- MJL

Im trying to say they have the talent to have a decent Powerplay if they base their PP strategy around the current players strengths. They are trying to run a PP around a strength they do not possess. It would be like having a team like EDM play a defensive game rather than just out scoring their opponents. They have talent clearly but not defensive talent. Nurse is no Chris Pronger.

I don't want to (frank) up this thread as well. Also I am busy.

I will try to post (on that blog) a tour guide of the monuments to stupidity and misinformation that were valiantly erected there and link to it sometime in the near future.
- PT21

I find it very entertaining that it's gotten to the point that you have been so obviously exposed, that you're no longer even attempting to hide that you're an obnoxious douche bag. It's very funny.

I find it very entertaining that it's gotten to the point that you have been so obviously exposed, that your no longer even attempting to hide that you're an obnoxious douche bag. It's very funny.
- MJL

You putting those 10 teams together

No he doesn’t. You could tell TK had something in him even a few years ago.
- ClaudeFather

Farabee had 40 points in his first 50 games last season. He had just 10 points in his last 32 games.

But yeah scoring at a 0.80 ppg pace for 60% of the season is showing nothing at 24 years old......

Farabee had 40 points in his first 50 games last season. He had just 10 points in his last 32 games.

But yeah scoring at a 0.80 ppg pace for 60% of the season is showing nothing at 24 years old......
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Always pace, never results around here

Im trying to say they have the talent to have a decent Powerplay if they base their PP strategy around the current players strengths. They are trying to run a PP around a strength they do not possess. It would be like having a team like EDM play a defensive game rather than just out scoring their opponents. They have talent clearly but not defensive talent. Nurse is no Chris Pronger.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

There are clear instances in my opinion where the Flyers PP shows that they clearly lack a quality of design or a plan of attack. They clearly show a lack of fundamental play. All of that can be and should be corrected by coaching in my opinion.

You putting those 10 teams together
- ClaudeFather

Why would I need to do that?

I have been shown the error of my ways. I now believe that RR is a quality defenseman who is a bargain at his cap hit. I believe Torts is an all time great coach who is just the man to lead us to a cup. I think the old guard, or as I will call them, The Experience Brigade, knows exactly how to build a cup winner in todays NHL, and that we never needed to be in a rebuild. Since I have never played the game except for street hockey, from now on I will only parrot opinions that are approved by the team and their real fans because what do I know? After all I am not Ken Hitchcock. All hail the Standard! We don't need to ever win a cup, that is not why we are here. We are here to post the right way about the team that plays the right way.

I feel so liberated.

- MBFlyerfan

You can post and parrot anything you want. What you can’t do is simultaneously give others grief for doing the exact same thing. That’s called being a hypocrite. Pretty simple. You will be called out for it. But by all means continue to pout

He didn't say that they need the talent of a player like Giroux to run the pp effectively. He said they have failed to adapt their system to the absence of a player with Giroux's strengths.

In as much as this adaptation is possible to do, it is part of coaching, and his post is not just consistent with what he has been saying, but also provides more support for it (by fleshing out what he means).
- PT21

You have a reading comprehension issue. His first statement was " I dont think its a talent issue". Followed up by the opening sentence of the second paragraph of " I think it is JUST a coaching issue"

My post clearly alluded to it being both a talent and a coaching issue

Get your act together PT

Is there any possibility that a couple of these guys are the same person?

You know, like when the dress is on - and when it’s not? That sort of thing.

Rocky would have been fine if we were stripping it bare and tanking. But since we are trying to win, build chemistry with guys now and have 2 big drafts and some spendable money soon these would be good years to get an actual PP specialist to clean up the power play.

With the flyers plan as it is now, having Rocky learn on the job is a total waste. Consultants aren’t enough. What’s worse is we aren’t seeing the full potential of players that we need to make decisions on and we will get skewed samples of these guys due to an unorganized PP and potentially make a trade we will regret later.

Why would I need to do that?
- MJL

Facts only, duck and cover, classic MJL. You claimed they could have a mediocre powerplay, show us the teams with less talent that they will leap to get into that mediocre range.

Facts only, duck and cover, classic MJL. You claimed they could have a mediocre powerplay, show us the teams with less talent that they will leap to get into that mediocre range.
- ClaudeFather

He can’t. He won’t.

And yet… he don’t STOP!

EDIT: sorry I just realized this 30 year old song might still be too “new” for some of the geezers out there

Im trying to say they have the talent to have a decent Powerplay if they base their PP strategy around the current players strengths. They are trying to run a PP around a strength they do not possess. It would be like having a team like EDM play a defensive game rather than just out scoring their opponents. They have talent clearly but not defensive talent. Nurse is no Chris Pronger.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

They don't have a single player that possesses a strength on the PP. A PP has to run through a player. A player has to be a catalyst. Coaching has not been helping to develop a strategy nor to develop player skills on the PP. The Flyers coaches are horrendous offensively

I know hindsight is 20/20, but a lot of us wanted to sell high on Simmonds, and we didn't.
I honestly don't understand how you can build a winner today without at least a little bit of selling high. It's not like we can't see decline coming, and it's not like other teams hold on to everyone (except the pens)... (see Ellis, Ryan). Except for Giroux, we seem to hold onto everyone too long. At least now and then sell high on an aging vet like Couts or Laughs or Konecny when the timing window is not in our favor.

Facts only, duck and cover, classic MJL. You claimed they could have a mediocre powerplay, show us the teams with less talent that they will leap to get into that mediocre range.
- ClaudeFather

How am ducking and covering? I didn't state that there were 10 teams. Lol You're being an idiot.

How am ducking and covering? I didn't state that there were 10 teams. Lol You're being an idiot.
- MJL

What’s mediocre, 20th overall? 22nd?

I don't agree. Teams below the Flyers in the standings have far better power plays. Why? Teams icing marginal rosters with marginal players. Are these marginal players better than the Flyers players?

The point is success in the standings or a star studded roster isn't required for an "average to slightly below average" PP, or at least to not have the worst PP in league history.

Teams that do a proper rebuild have far better PP even at their nadir than the Flyers, that's a fact. As much as people love to blame the players, it's not just them. Nobody expects this group to be elite but at least show that you belong in the same league as the other 31 teams.

I know Bill doesn't care about Rocky until they get better talent but Rocky is the reason why the current talent isn't being properly evaluated on the PP and that is going to hinder those players who are currently flailing going forward.

Good rebuilding teams worry about the top of the roster and fill in the bottom. The Flyers worry about the bottom of the roster and try to fill in the top.
- Flyers_01

BINGO!!!

What’s mediocre, 20th overall? 22nd?
- ClaudeFather

I am not sure of the ranking for mediocre. I will be stunned if the Flyers are in the top 24 in powerplay efficiency. Bottom quarter of the league again this year unless MM is a magician.