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PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 15 @ 8:47 PM ET
Your arrogance knows no bounds. You allow yourself to call out a "part" while not allowing others to do so. Again, the part that I called out is that the Flyers PP issue is both a talent issue and a coaching issue. Not JUST a coaching issue as the poster stated. My point is relevant. I did not misunderstand anything. You are a petulant child with a mental deficiency . The very fact that you aren't debating the actual points I made, is the giveaway. You're never going to get what you want. Nor are you ever going to be able to repair your reputation. Which you readily reveal that you know that because you're acting like a bigger douche bag than normal and not even attempting to be cordial anymore. Go pound sand. You are low hanging fruit. As far as the dance, it was a cordial conversation until you showed up. Have some self awareness.
- MJL


So when you quoted 2 statements by the op and claimed he "can't say" both, you were not claiming he was contradictory. You were just disagreeing, meaning he could say it, you just felt otherwise.

so, can't = can.

You seem to be struggling with language, bro. Have you tried Chinese?

我确信你的父母实际上没有发生过性行为。他们拿了一个南瓜,轮流往里面拉屎,把它修补好,然后给它起名叫“你”。

Also, bedtime. HB can be demanding.


Zzzzz
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 15 @ 8:48 PM ET
Pre season in the NFL is hard to watch.

Eagles are toast if Kenny Pickett has to play this year.

James Bradberry is as bad at safety as he is at CB.

Nakobe Dean has been disappointing.

Nolan Smith does not look like a 1rst round pick.

Positives ?


Shipley, Mitchell and Covey….but Christ pre season is hard to watch…lol

- landros 2


Meaningless, really...

My biggest fear is Bryce Huff.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 15 @ 8:55 PM ET
So when you quoted 2 statements by the op and claimed he "can't say" both, you were not claiming he was contradictory. You were just disagreeing, meaning he could say it, you just felt otherwise.

so, can't = can.

You seem to be struggling with language, bro. Have you tried Chinese?

我确信你的父母实际上没有发生过性行为。他们拿了一个南瓜,轮流往里面拉屎,把它修补好,然后给它起名叫“你”。

Also, bedtime. HB can be demanding.


Zzzzz

- PT21


Keep on embarrassing yourself. I find it humorous. What else you got?


I know it's difficult for you to understand the simple concept that the Flyers PP issue is both a talent and a coaching issue. Not JUST a coaching issue as the OP claimed. I can go all night. I thought you were busy?
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Aug 15 @ 8:59 PM ET
Meaningless, really...

My biggest fear is Bryce Huff.

- PT21


Ya…he made a play to start the game….then he struggled to get off his blocks…losing Reddich is scary.

Edit: a Nolan Smith sighting…
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Aug 15 @ 9:27 PM ET
bravo my favorite post ever. tells his life story to others on the internet and calls other peeps losers. is this post a cry for help?

wow a HD page, probably played in a pay to play poopty junior league. probably the little flyers. did they have cuts that year? very impressive.

- hello it's me 2050

Probably this. Probably that. Probably, probably, probably. When your ego is threatened just a little bit, let’s go to the land of fantasy and make things up about the other person you’re posting to.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 15 @ 9:54 PM ET
Ya…he made a play to start the game….then he struggled to get off his blocks…losing Reddich is scary.

Edit: a Nolan Smith sighting…

- landros 2


These 'bendy' type DEs, who rely on speed and in space moves to beat the tackles, often struggle to get off blocks. HR was an exception. He had 'violent hands' that could slap away attempts to get a hold of him. He did however often struggle to hold the edge during runs.

This year, there are going to be a lot of off-ball blitzers. Both Nakobe and Nolan are excellent going downhill. So was Sydney Brown - hopefully back soon. There will be a lot of disguised coverages. The LBs are going to be aggressive against the run. Bottom line, the front 7 will be more by committee and run-stuffing/pressures are not gonna be concentrated from the D-line.

Kelee Ringo has been very good so far. Lets see though. With him, Brown, Mitchell, Rodgers, Cooper Jean, Eagles actually have a very promising secondary. Maddox is very decent if healthy. Slay has had a very good camp though he will be gone next year of course. So, hopefully, this will allow those off ball guys to get home more often


Jalen Hurts has been lights out. Devonte too. Brown has been Brown. The interior of the offensive line is a concern on pass blocking, but Becton is a BEAST on runs. I have not seen much explosiveness from Saquon, but Gainwell has flashed, Shipley has lot of promise, Jurgens has Kelce potential as a leading blocker, and I think Eagles should comfortably average 4.4+ on runs.

Coning back to D, Sweat is playing for a contract. Always a good sign. Ojomo has flashed and Milton Williams may surprise you. Jalen Carter has HOF talent. Yes, I will go that far. But Davis has been a concern. I have seen the back of his jersey a few times. Never a good sign. I think a lot of runs will go towards Bryce and we don't need him to stuff them. We do need him however to hold the edge and not give up lanes.

We have top 5 potential on O, and 8-12 potential on D. On the upper end of those spectrums, this is a legit contendor, and as a fan, thats what makes us watch.

(With the Flyers, I usually feel that even wins, and win streaks, does not change the fact that they are way off the track)

EDIT: Wild Card: Jalyx Hunt. Strange, strange player. I am sceptical but whaddya I know.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 15 @ 9:56 PM ET
Keep on embarrassing yourself. I find it humorous. What else you got?


I know it's difficult for you to understand the simple concept that the Flyers PP issue is both a talent and a coaching issue. Not JUST a coaching issue as the OP claimed. I can go all night. I thought you were busy?

- MJL



Save all that horny ardor for the usual recipient: the sticky poster of the Orange Man on your basement wall.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 15 @ 10:08 PM ET
Save all that horny ardor for the usual recipient: the sticky poster of the Orange Man on your basement wall.
- PT21


You degrade yourself more with every post. By all means, keep going child. It's a familiar pattern with you. After the short trip that exhausts your feeble mental capacity, you resort to insults, often involving some sick perversion. You should really seek therapy.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Aug 15 @ 10:41 PM ET
These 'bendy' type DEs, who rely on speed and in space moves to beat the tackles, often struggle to get off blocks. HR was an exception. He had 'violent hands' that could slap away attempts to get a hold of him. He did however often struggle to hold the edge during runs.

This year, there are going to be a lot of off-ball blitzers. Both Nakobe and Nolan are excellent going downhill. So was Sydney Brown - hopefully back soon. There will be a lot of disguised coverages. The LBs are going to be aggressive against the run. Bottom line, the front 7 will be more by committee and run-stuffing/pressures are not gonna be concentrated from the D-line.

Kelee Ringo has been very good so far. Lets see though. With him, Brown, Mitchell, Rodgers, Cooper Jean, Eagles actually have a very promising secondary. Maddox is very decent if healthy. Slay has had a very good camp though he will be gone next year of course. So, hopefully, this will allow those off ball guys to get home more often


Jalen Hurts has been lights out. Devonte too. Brown has been Brown. The interior of the offensive line is a concern on pass blocking, but Becton is a BEAST on runs. I have not seen much explosiveness from Saquon, but Gainwell has flashed, Shipley has lot of promise, Jurgens has Kelce potential as a leading blocker, and I think Eagles should comfortably average 4.4+ on runs.

Coning back to D, Sweat is playing for a contract. Always a good sign. Ojomo has flashed and Milton Williams may surprise you. Jalen Carter has HOF talent. Yes, I will go that far. But Davis has been a concern. I have seen the back of his jersey a few times. Never a good sign. I think a lot of runs will go towards Bryce and we don't need him to stuff them. We do need him however to hold the edge and not give up lanes.

We have top 5 potential on O, and 8-12 potential on D. On the upper end of those spectrums, this is a legit contendor, and as a fan, thats what makes us watch.

(With the Flyers, I usually feel that even wins, and win streaks, does not change the fact that they are way off the track)

EDIT: Wild Card: Jalyx Hunt. Strange, strange player. I am sceptical but whaddya I know.

- PT21
Dude, they've played TWO preseason games. I just saw QB rankings and Hurts wasn't even in the top 15. Eagles fans always make me bust a gut laughing! Writing a novel after two whole preseason games...YIPPEE!!
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 15 @ 10:47 PM ET
Dude, they've played TWO preseason games. I just saw QB rankings and Hurts wasn't even in the top 15. Eagles fans always make me bust a gut laughing! Writing a novel after two whole preseason games...YIPPEE!!
- Phillywhiteout


I follow their practices.

I know its just practice and he wears a red shirt. But Hurts has had a phenomenal training camp. He has been dropping dime after dime. He has been hitting the middle of the field on anticipation routes. No INTs so far through 12-13 sessions against 1st team D.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Aug 15 @ 11:02 PM ET
I follow their practices.

I know its just practice and he wears a red shirt. But Hurts has had a phenomenal training camp. He has been dropping dime after dime. He has been hitting the middle of the field on anticipation routes. No INTs so far through 12-13 sessions against 1st team D.

- PT21
I thought that they didn't let anyone into their top secret practices these days? We used to go watch their two a days when they had their camps at WCU. Great time! We'd sit up on the hill smokin dubage and Buddy Ryan's practices just about always ended up with major brawls (he encouraged it). Those were the days!
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Aug 15 @ 11:12 PM ET
Tk. Lmao. Here’s a quick small list of take over him for various reasons
Svenekov
Barzal
Kreider
Jarvis
Boldy
Verhage
Raymond
Batherson
Kyrou
G
Mccann
Ehlers
Debrinncat
Rnh
Necas
I mean can go on and on and on.


I admit some are obviously debatable but clearly there are some for many reasons should be higher than tk.

And could probably add another 10-20 names to that quick list
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Aug 15 @ 11:28 PM ET
Tk. Lmao. Here’s a quick small list of take over him for various reasons
Svenekov
Barzal
Kreider
Jarvis
Boldy
Verhage
Raymond
Batherson
Kyrou
G
Mccann
Ehlers
Debrinncat
Rnh
Necas
I mean can go on and on and on.


I admit some are obviously debatable but clearly there are some for many reasons should be higher than tk.

And could probably add another 10-20 names to that quick list

- Stayin alive
I have to admit to being a bit surprised that he is ranked among the top 20 wingers. If it was just right wingers I could probably see it, but to have him in the top 20 among ALL wingers is a bit of a surprise to me. Glad the contract is already signed cause that may have garnered him an extra million a year after this list came out.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 15 @ 11:34 PM ET
I thought that they didn't let anyone into their top secret practices these days? We used to go watch their two a days when they had their camps at WCU. Great time! We'd sit up on the hill smokin dubage and Buddy Ryan's practices just about always ended up with major brawls (he encouraged it). Those were the days!
- Phillywhiteout


By follow I did not mean attend. I went to their only open one late and left early (too boring to explain). But zillions of sites/scribes desrcribe what happens in the parts that are open to members of press and I drink in every word.

Btw, I went to some of those practices too. And at Lehigh!
Hesh_
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.29.2013

Aug 16 @ 3:51 AM ET
Meaningless, really...

My biggest fear is Bryce Huff.

- PT21

I share your concerns, but at least he’s shown he can pull it off at the professional level before. His numbers were quite impressive. Maybe he’s a one down guy. I dunno. We’ll soon see.

Considering the money HR wanted, its a move they may have had to make.

Otherwise, good following post.
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Aug 16 @ 7:20 AM ET
The most hysterical thing is that those who actually use that, have no clue about who has played and who hasn't.
- MJL


Re: People who have played hockey

The hilarious thing is Hextall, Holmgren, Clarke, Briere, Jones, all played at the highest levels in the world and we, the fans, all think we know more about hockey and how to build a team than they do. Myself included of course. It’s the benefit to being a fan. I pay my money, invest my time and energy, I therefore have a right to criticize as well as cheer, as do we all. Doesn’t matter if our opinions are right or wrong, it only matters that we all have one. This board is therapy for us dysfunctional Flyers fans. I believe we can all agree on one thing: If they ever do win the Cup, there won’t be any complaining here for a few days 😁
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Aug 16 @ 7:52 AM ET
Still, my favorite hockey card of all time


jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Aug 16 @ 7:54 AM ET
I personally would put Carter Verhaeghe ahead of Konecny.
- MJL

Of course you would, because otherwise this wouldn't fit your narrative, fraud! I told you TK was one of the best wingers in the NHL ... chock up another one for the good guy!
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Aug 16 @ 7:57 AM ET
I have to admit to being a bit surprised that he is ranked among the top 20 wingers. If it was just right wingers I could probably see it, but to have him in the top 20 among ALL wingers is a bit of a surprise to me. Glad the contract is already signed cause that may have garnered him an extra million a year after this list came out.
- Phillywhiteout

I'm not at all! I told you all TK was one of the best wingers in the game. Not many wingers in the NHL can play even strength, PP and PK, while also scoring 30+ goals and exhibiting grit and great leadership. I said it before and I will say it again, TK is the true leader and is the face of the Flyers moving forward, and I couldn't be happier to root for him night in and night out.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 16 @ 8:24 AM ET
Of course you would, because otherwise this wouldn't fit your narrative, fraud! I told you TK was one of the best wingers in the NHL ... chock up another one for the good guy!
- jd250


Or it could maybe be his playoff production in the most important games played. Most recently his 21 points in 24 games in Florida's run to the Stanley Cup?
I have never refuted that Konecny is a very good player.
Remember this post when you whine. As usual, you make a fool of yourself.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 16 @ 8:26 AM ET
I'm not at all! I told you all TK was one of the best wingers in the game. Not many wingers in the NHL can play even strength, PP and PK, while also scoring 30+ goals and exhibiting grit and great leadership. I said it before and I will say it again, TK is the true leader and is the face of the Flyers moving forward, and I couldn't be happier to root for him night in and night out.
- jd250


You still don't know what a face of the franchise player is. Doubt you ever will.

Changing your mind again about the Flyer re-signing Konecny.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Aug 16 @ 8:40 AM ET
These 'bendy' type DEs, who rely on speed and in space moves to beat the tackles, often struggle to get off blocks. HR was an exception. He had 'violent hands' that could slap away attempts to get a hold of him. He did however often struggle to hold the edge during runs.

This year, there are going to be a lot of off-ball blitzers. Both Nakobe and Nolan are excellent going downhill. So was Sydney Brown - hopefully back soon. There will be a lot of disguised coverages. The LBs are going to be aggressive against the run. Bottom line, the front 7 will be more by committee and run-stuffing/pressures are not gonna be concentrated from the D-line.

Kelee Ringo has been very good so far. Lets see though. With him, Brown, Mitchell, Rodgers, Cooper Jean, Eagles actually have a very promising secondary. Maddox is very decent if healthy. Slay has had a very good camp though he will be gone next year of course. So, hopefully, this will allow those off ball guys to get home more often


Jalen Hurts has been lights out. Devonte too. Brown has been Brown. The interior of the offensive line is a concern on pass blocking, but Becton is a BEAST on runs. I have not seen much explosiveness from Saquon, but Gainwell has flashed, Shipley has lot of promise, Jurgens has Kelce potential as a leading blocker, and I think Eagles should comfortably average 4.4+ on runs.

Coning back to D, Sweat is playing for a contract. Always a good sign. Ojomo has flashed and Milton Williams may surprise you. Jalen Carter has HOF talent. Yes, I will go that far. But Davis has been a concern. I have seen the back of his jersey a few times. Never a good sign. I think a lot of runs will go towards Bryce and we don't need him to stuff them. We do need him however to hold the edge and not give up lanes.

We have top 5 potential on O, and 8-12 potential on D. On the upper end of those spectrums, this is a legit contendor, and as a fan, thats what makes us watch.

(With the Flyers, I usually feel that even wins, and win streaks, does not change the fact that they are way off the track)

EDIT: Wild Card: Jalyx Hunt. Strange, strange player. I am sceptical but whaddya I know.

- PT21


Great analysis….I agree with pretty much everything you said. Interesting comparison to the general feel between them and the Flyers. It does feel like you portray. It’s nice heading into a season where by they have a legit shot and have the talent to contend.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 16 @ 8:42 AM ET
Re: People who have played hockey

The hilarious thing is Hextall, Holmgren, Clarke, Briere, Jones, all played at the highest levels in the world and we, the fans, all think we know more about hockey and how to build a team than they do. Myself included of course. It’s the benefit to being a fan. I pay my money, invest my time and energy, I therefore have a right to criticize as well as cheer, as do we all. Doesn’t matter if our opinions are right or wrong, it only matters that we all have one. This board is therapy for us dysfunctional Flyers fans. I believe we can all agree on one thing: If they ever do win the Cup, there won’t be any complaining here for a few days 😁

- mikeyo27


And that therapy addresses personal dysfunction too.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 16 @ 8:43 AM ET
Or it could maybe be his playoff production in the most important games played. Most recently his 21 points in 24 games in Florida's run to the Stanley Cup?
I have never refuted that Konecny is a very good player.
Remember this post when you whine. As usual, you make a fool of yourself.

- MJL


Did you "go all night"?
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 16 @ 8:47 AM ET
Great analysis….I agree with pretty much everything you said. Interesting comparison to the general feel between them and the Flyers. It does feel like you portray. It’s nice heading into a season where by they have a legit shot and have the talent to contend.
- landros 2


Thanks. Forgot to praise Milton Williams who has had a good camp. Also contract year, I think.

This guy Tyler Steen seems too passive in temperament to play OL at a high level. You need to be a little mean to play there.
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