I believe you are right that under Fletcher the Flyers were becoming one of the worst organizations in the league when it came Flyers organization, from upp to developing young players, but I also think they are heading in the right direction, or at least a better direction, under Briere and Jones. I agree that elite players rarely come from lower picks, and when it happens its complete luck. Luck, like hope, is not a strategy for building a successful organization. I believe the organization has been upgraded from top to bottom. I believe Hilferty is an upgrade over Scott. Briere is an upgrade over Fletcher as GM. Torts is an upgrade at coach over AV or Mike Yeo. The entire player development staff has been overhauled also. Hiring John LeClair and and Patrick Sharp, as well as Riley Armstrong and Nick Schultz have been good things also. The medical staff has been overhauled, and the analytics department is now actually part of the decision when obtaining or trading players. I think we need to give this new regime a chance instead of just assuming they will fail.
- jd250

- how is hilferty an upgrade over scott? details.

- being a better gm than chuck is a very low bar to surpass. doesnt mean danny is good.

- torts or av bottom line is still the same. as the dice man would say what's the fn difference.

- what do leclair and sharp do? where has their impact been felt and where has it been a good thing as you say. what do they do?

- chuck upgraded the analytics. clearly they so do not involve them much.

- medical team diff faces same results it seems.

- how is hilferty an upgrade over scott? details.

- being a better gm than chuck is a very low bar to surpass. doesnt mean danny is good.

- torts or av bottom line is still the same. as the dice man would say what's the fn difference.

- what do leclair and sharp do? where has their impact been felt and where has it been a good thing as you say. what do they do?

- chuck upgraded the analytics. clearly they so do not involve them much.

- medical team diff faces same results it seems.
- hello it's me 2050

huuuuge shocker you’d like that hack 😆

Let me guess - you liked Michael Richards circa 2006 too?

I believe you are right that under Fletcher the Flyers were becoming one of the worst organizations in the league when it came Flyers organization, from upp to developing young players, but I also think they are heading in the right direction, or at least a better direction, under Briere and Jones. I agree that elite players rarely come from lower picks, and when it happens its complete luck. Luck, like hope, is not a strategy for building a successful organization. I believe the organization has been upgraded from top to bottom. I believe Hilferty is an upgrade over Scott. Briere is an upgrade over Fletcher as GM. Torts is an upgrade at coach over AV or Mike Yeo. The entire player development staff has been overhauled also. Hiring John LeClair and and Patrick Sharp, as well as Riley Armstrong and Nick Schultz have been good things also. The medical staff has been overhauled, and the analytics department is now actually part of the decision when obtaining or trading players. I think we need to give this new regime a chance instead of just assuming they will fail.
- jd250

Hanging your hat on an upgrade over Fletcher? Name one example of how hiring Sharp, LeClair, Armstrong and Schultz has been good. Name one example of how the analytics department has paid dividends?

Sure, go ahead and fall for it again. I'll say it again. The entire organization needs to be upgraded. Just wasting time now. Mark my words.

Norm Macdonald
Todd Barry
Andy Kindler
Mitch Hedberg
George Miller
Larry Miller
Jonathan Katz
Emo Phillips
Kevin Meaney
Garry Shandling
Kathleen Madigan
Kevin Nelson
Sinbad

huuuuge shocker you’d like that hack 😆

Let me guess - you liked Michael Richards circa 2006 too?
- anti-lame

I actually picture him sitting at his desk top everyday, wearing a leather vest. Hair done like Fonzie. Trying hard to think of his next condescending joke. Probably in tighty whites because where else is he gonna go?

The Flyers are in the process of doing what they always do. Over cooking prospects who have some NHL potential, never giving them a legit opportunity to the point where they are no longer in the picture. They are famous for it.
- MJL

The golden standard.

I actually picture him sitting at his desk top everyday, wearing a leather vest. Hair done like Fonzie. Trying hard to think of his next condescending joke. Probably in tighty whites because where else is he gonna go?
- roenick97

how was work today lamont?
what happy days character are you? probably potsie? or sticks?

how was work today lamont?
- hello it's me 2050

If we pull your string do you say other things?

If we pull your string do you say other things?
- anti-lame

any fantasy camp update?

how was work today lamont?
what happy days character are you? probably potsie? or sticks?
- hello it's me 2050

I’m still waiting for a more modern age joke out of you.

I’m still waiting for a more modern age joke out of you.
- roenick97

you are the one who mentioned happy days did you not?

you are the one who mentioned happy days did you not?
- hello it's me 2050

I mentioned Fonzie…who is universally recognized.

you are the one who mentioned happy days did you not?
- hello it's me 2050

maybe you could be Chuck Cunningham and just disappear without explanation

maybe you could be Chuck Cunningham and just disappear without explanation
- anti-lame

I don’t know who Chuck Cunningham is but I am happy this joke was possible.

Hanging your hat on an upgrade over Fletcher? Name one example of how hiring Sharp, LeClair, Armstrong and Schultz has been good. Name one example of how the analytics department has paid dividends?

Sure, go ahead and fall for it again. I'll say it again. The entire organization needs to be upgraded. Just wasting time now. Mark my words.
- MJL

Name one example where they have failed so far? All I am saying is its too early to say whether this regime is failing or not. We need to let them see their plan through and then judge them on the results.

Did anyone watch the Eagles pre-season game agains the Pats the other night? If so, what did you all think of Drake Maye? The fans here in New England went from "he's a bust" to "he should be starting right away". I love when fans do this. I wanted to get and unbiased assessment of his play the other night.

Norm Macdonald
Todd Barry
Andy Kindler
Mitch Hedberg
George Miller
Larry Miller
Jonathan Katz
Emo Phillips
Kevin Meaney
Garry Shandling
Kathleen Madigan
Kevin Nelson
Sinbad
- anti-lame

Ahren Belisle

Hanging your hat on an upgrade over Fletcher? Name one example of how hiring Sharp, LeClair, Armstrong and Schultz has been good. Name one example of how the analytics department has paid dividends?

Sure, go ahead and fall for it again. I'll say it again. The entire organization needs to be upgraded. Just wasting time now. Mark my words.
- MJL

I’d like to know what you have against John LeClair and Patrick Sharp being in development. Sharp was a Flyer for two minutes. He’s a Hawk and a perfect example of a player who had to develop to reach his level of play as a player. You think he can’t carry his experience over to development and offer anything to the kids in the pipeline? I mean, they were both here in Michigan two weeks ago. They’re making the trips and watching the kids.

Having an issue with Briere and Jones is a totally separate issue. What was their prior experience? They go from a good offseason and follow with a bad one, one year later. This I can sympathize with you but Sharp and LeClair played the game at the highest level. They were coached up. They were scouted. They can take something through their long careers and give to the next generation.

Your issue is their names. They can’t be good because they played here. Well I guess Detroit and Colorado are stupid too.

Interesting that Jones basically said it’s not a rebuild… they can’t and will not tear it down…which again is what ANY rebuild encompasses ….they hope to add to the current group and build to what they already have…. Again that is not a rebuild… jonsey basically said it really is a tough way to build a team… “they are threading the needle” … his words.
Jonesy harped on the importance of “culture”… something some around here do not seem to think exists. Talked about becoming “relevant” again… that I can get behind… talked about getting Lucky in the draft is all part of it…
- landros 2

It is a rebuild. Danny is building through the draft. Tearing it down is a method of rebuilding. It is a better way at potentially securing top talent. However you have to commit to losing money, something that a team owned by a Business like Comcast would never approve. Like Bill has posted in the past it is a Hextall type rebuild. We all have sour thoughts about Hextall's tenure here but let's be fair. If Hextall doesnt miss on that Nolan Patrick Pick, he likely still keeps his job.

I also heard a rumour suggesting the Flyers did not originally intend to sign JVR. Flyers front office promised Dave Scott a big splash at the draft and the deal that was in the works fell through. Now the rumour is that the player was either Panarin or Ryan O'Reilly. Both make sense as this wasnt the first time I heard rumblings about the Flyers going after RoR, swaer someone within the Flyers said he was targetted at one point and Panarin only wanted to play for the Rangers which is why a deal potentially fell through. This would hjave been 2018-19 with Panarin on the final year of his deal. IF he was the player, the trade probably required Panarin to agree to an extension with PHI before they agreed and since he wanted to go to NY, he refused.

Whatever the deal was is no matter as Dave Scott was upset as no big splash was made which is why Hextall went out and made the "Big Splash" that sealed his fate.

It is a rebuild. Danny is building through the draft. Tearing it down is a method of rebuilding. It is a better way at potentially securing top talent. However you have to commit to losing money, something that a team owned by a Business like Comcast would never approve. Like Bill has posted in the past it is a Hextall type rebuild. We all have sour thoughts about Hextall's tenure here but let's be fair. If Hextall doesnt miss on that Nolan Patrick Pick, he likely still keeps his job.

I also heard a rumour suggesting the Flyers did not originally intend to sign JVR. Flyers front office promised Dave Scott a big splash at the draft and the deal that was in the works fell through. Now the rumour is that the player was either Panarin or Ryan O'Reilly. Both make sense as this wasnt the first time I heard rumblings about the Flyers going after RoR, swaer someone within the Flyers said he was targetted at one point and Panarin only wanted to play for the Rangers which is why a deal potentially fell through. This would hjave been 2018-19 with Panarin on the final year of his deal. IF he was the player, the trade probably required Panarin to agree to an extension with PHI before they agreed and since he wanted to go to NY, he refused.

Whatever the deal was is no matter as Dave Scott was upset as no big splash was made which is why Hextall went out and made the "Big Splash" that sealed his fate.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I see this on a podcast yesterday

It is a rebuild. Danny is building through the draft. Tearing it down is a method of rebuilding. It is a better way at potentially securing top talent. However you have to commit to losing money, something that a team owned by a Business like Comcast would never approve. Like Bill has posted in the past it is a Hextall type rebuild. We all have sour thoughts about Hextall's tenure here but let's be fair. If Hextall doesnt miss on that Nolan Patrick Pick, he likely still keeps his job.

I also heard a rumour suggesting the Flyers did not originally intend to sign JVR. Flyers front office promised Dave Scott a big splash at the draft and the deal that was in the works fell through. Now the rumour is that the player was either Panarin or Ryan O'Reilly. Both make sense as this wasnt the first time I heard rumblings about the Flyers going after RoR, swaer someone within the Flyers said he was targetted at one point and Panarin only wanted to play for the Rangers which is why a deal potentially fell through. This would hjave been 2018-19 with Panarin on the final year of his deal. IF he was the player, the trade probably required Panarin to agree to an extension with PHI before they agreed and since he wanted to go to NY, he refused.

Whatever the deal was is no matter as Dave Scott was upset as no big splash was made which is why Hextall went out and made the "Big Splash" that sealed his fate.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

When Bob Clarke went on his rant about Hextall a few years ago, he mentioned that the Flyers had a deal in place for Ryan O'Reilly but that Hextall nixed it.

I’d like to know what you have against John LeClair and Patrick Sharp being in development. Sharp was a Flyer for two minutes. He’s a Hawk and a perfect example of a player who had to develop to reach his level of play as a player. You think he can’t carry his experience over to development and offer anything to the kids in the pipeline? I mean, they were both here in Michigan two weeks ago. They’re making the trips and watching the kids.

Having an issue with Briere and Jones is a totally separate issue. What was their prior experience? They go from a good offseason and follow with a bad one, one year later. This I can sympathize with you but Sharp and LeClair played the game at the highest level. They were coached up. They were scouted. They can take something through their long careers and give to the next generation.

Your issue is their names. They can’t be good because they played here. Well I guess Detroit and Colorado are stupid too.
- roenick97

This is exactly right. This new group of player development has just been on the job for about 1 year. They need to be given a chance to succeed.

This is exactly right. This new group of player development has just been on the job for about 1 year. They need to be given a chance to succeed.
- jd250

Right. We won’t know the type of job LeClair and Sharp have done for a couple years. Basically until Jett makes the team. Jett is this full complimentary group’s pick. From I saw a couple weeks ago, he’s not a bad player.

I’d like to know what you have against John LeClair and Patrick Sharp being in development. Sharp was a Flyer for two minutes. He’s a Hawk and a perfect example of a player who had to develop to reach his level of play as a player. You think he can’t carry his experience over to development and offer anything to the kids in the pipeline? I mean, they were both here in Michigan two weeks ago. They’re making the trips and watching the kids.

Having an issue with Briere and Jones is a totally separate issue. What was their prior experience? They go from a good offseason and follow with a bad one, one year later. This I can sympathize with you but Sharp and LeClair played the game at the highest level. They were coached up. They were scouted. They can take something through their long careers and give to the next generation.

Your issue is their names. They can’t be good because they played here. Well I guess Detroit and Colorado are stupid too.
- roenick97

As far as Briere and Jones go, I have no issue with Briere. He came here, put the work in and did whatever was necessary to get to this point.

The Jones hiring to me is what I dont understand. Granted I dont know Jones, I dont know what experiences he has outside of Broadcasting, Maybe he did attend coursed that make him qualified but to us fans he doesnt seem like he has any experience and it is even more mindboggling that a Corporation such as Comcast would employ someone with a lack of experience. Companies tend to look for experience when hiring especially for big positions. If Jones is bad at his job, he could potentially cost Comcast a lot of money. Makes no sense to me

People put too much stock into what front office people say.At the end of the day, they are only going to tell the truth, if the truth is good news. If it is bad news, its going to be spun for PR. It is just how front offices work. No GM is going to go out there and say "Well we botched that draft" or "we didnt draft this player because we thought he'd bail on us too". It is alway need to know basis with Front offices.

Name one example where they have failed so far? All I am saying is its too early to say whether this regime is failing or not. We need to let them see their plan through and then judge them on the results.
- jd250

not signing cutter