Deslauriers played 60 games last year. If he is on the roster, he is blocking someone. So is Seeler and Johnson. You tout the development of players like Ginning, Attard and Andrae and then support the Flyers putting players with no future blocking them. You don't make sense. You're not using common sense with the Gauthier situation. All the Flyers had to do was what every team is doing with top college players.They screwed up royally. Karma LMAO - MJL
Flyers Will Use Matvei Michkov’s ‘Best Friend’ Even More in 2024-25
Whether the article is correct or not, it does appear to be trending in that direction from the outside. The legend of ND and his contribution to old time hockey is being heavily promoted.
There's only x number of roster spots and once Briere has room under the salary cap expect this team to get older, not younger.
The Flyers want to be relevent, not better. The Flyers are like a criminal in jail being praised for not committing any crimes on the street. Salary cap jail is about to release them. I'm betting they will be buyers at the deadline.
Flyers Will Use Matvei Michkov’s ‘Best Friend’ Even More in 2024-25
Whether the article is correct or not, it does appear to be trending in that direction from the outside. The legend of ND and his contribution to old time hockey is being heavily promoted.
There's only x number of roster spots and once Briere has room under the salary cap expect this team to get older, not younger.
The Flyers want to be relevent, not better. The Flyers are like a criminal in jail being praised for not committing any crimes on the street. Salary cap jail is about to release them. I'm betting they will be buyers at the deadline. - Flyers_01
It's absurd that the Flyers place so much value on such an awful player but hey, give them a chance.
Flyers Will Use Matvei Michkov’s ‘Best Friend’ Even More in 2024-25
Whether the article is correct or not, it does appear to be trending in that direction from the outside. The legend of ND and his contribution to old time hockey is being heavily promoted.
There's only x number of roster spots and once Briere has room under the salary cap expect this team to get older, not younger.
The Flyers want to be relevent, not better. The Flyers are like a criminal in jail being praised for not committing any crimes on the street. Salary cap jail is about to release them. I'm betting they will be buyers at the deadline. - Flyers_01
not if they are out of the playoff picture which I expect they will be.
now I hope they are in the 7/8th spot so then can use some of the acquired picks to bring in some players to help the core guys who have earned the right to try to win a cup as the Co-GM said, or something to that effect.
I think co-gm danny boy was saying that tongue in cheek about ND. though with this team you can never tell as they are so out of touch. There really isnt any place at all for ND in the lineup. none.
Deslauriers played 60 games last year. If he is on the roster, he is blocking someone. So is Seeler and Johnson. You tout the development of players like Ginning, Attard and Andrae and then support the Flyers putting players with no future blocking them. You don't make sense. You're not using common sense with the Gauthier situation. All the Flyers had to do was what every team is doing with top college players.They screwed up royally. Karma LMAO - MJL
This is where I disagree with you. If Ginning, Attard or Andrae are good enough, they will be playing over Johnson. Johnson is here as a development coach more than anything else. He will play if injuries arise and the Flyers need him to. Also its clear at this point looking at forwards, that there is no room for Deslauries. He will be the 13th or 14th forward on this team.
I don't believe Briere screwed up at all with Gauthier. He was ready to sign him in May 2023, after Briere became official GM on May 11th, and get him into camp to make the Flyers in the 2023-24 season. Gauthier refused. If you insist on absolving Gauthier from any wrong doing here, then I suggest you blame the timing of the firing of Fletcher, because that, more than anything else in my opinion, is what complicated things. Feltcher got fired on March 10th and the very next day Gauthier's season at BC ended on March 11th. Briere hadn't even been in the GM chair a day when all this went down. Its completely unfair to blame Briere for any of this.
Flyers Will Use Matvei Michkov’s ‘Best Friend’ Even More in 2024-25
Whether the article is correct or not, it does appear to be trending in that direction from the outside. The legend of ND and his contribution to old time hockey is being heavily promoted.
There's only x number of roster spots and once Briere has room under the salary cap expect this team to get older, not younger.
The Flyers want to be relevent, not better. The Flyers are like a criminal in jail being praised for not committing any crimes on the street. Salary cap jail is about to release them. I'm betting they will be buyers at the deadline. - Flyers_01
Very entertaining read this Sunday morning. Thank you
Flyers Will Use Matvei Michkov’s ‘Best Friend’ Even More in 2024-25
Whether the article is correct or not, it does appear to be trending in that direction from the outside. The legend of ND and his contribution to old time hockey is being heavily promoted.
There's only x number of roster spots and once Briere has room under the salary cap expect this team to get older, not younger.
The Flyers want to be relevent, not better. The Flyers are like a criminal in jail being praised for not committing any crimes on the street. Salary cap jail is about to release them. I'm betting they will be buyers at the deadline. - Flyers_01
If you consider the projected forward lines, where does Deslauriers really fit? He will be a spot starter this year at best.
And Hextall was infuriatingly patient, a far cry from the hyper-aggressive team-building strategies of Holmgren and Bob Clarke.
In stepped Clarke. Less than 24 hours after Hextall was let go, Fletcher’s name popped up as a candidate — and it was no coincidence that Clarke had given Fletcher his first job in hockey in 1993. Fletcher was Clarke’s preferred option. He knew Fletcher to be a genuinely good person, and a collaborative GM at heart. Fletcher wouldn’t freeze out the alumni as Hextall had.
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But it also played as an endorsement of what Scott had been led to believe mattered most in a successful Flyers front office — collaboration. And that included the franchise legend senior advisers in the organization — Clarke, Holmgren and Bill Barber.
Clarke likes being the godfather of the Flyers. People kissing his ring and asking for permission. Hextall was a threat to that. Fletcher was his godson in spirit and the perfect consigliere for Clarke.
This is where I disagree with you. If Ginning, Attard or Andrae are good enough, they will be playing over Johnson. Johnson is here as a development coach more than anything else. He will play if injuries arise and the Flyers need him to. Also its clear at this point looking at forwards, that there is no room for Deslauries. He will be the 13th or 14th forward on this team.
I don't believe Briere screwed up at all with Gauthier. He was ready to sign him in May 2023, after Briere became official GM on May 11th, and get him into camp to make the Flyers in the 2023-24 season. Gauthier refused. If you insist on absolving Gauthier from any wrong doing here, then I suggest you blame the timing of the firing of Fletcher, because that, more than anything else in my opinion, is what complicated things. Feltcher got fired on March 10th and the very next day Gauthier's season at BC ended on March 11th. Briere hadn't even been in the GM chair a day when all this went down. Its completely unfair to blame Briere for any of this. - jd250
that is BS. Those 3 have about a less than 1% chance of making the team no matter how well they may play.
So you think there is a chance they cut EJ if he has a bad camp and preseason? attard and ginning are no longer prospects. one of them can easily be the 7th dman. If there is a long term injury on D, no fn way should EJ fill that role.
no it is 100% on danny boy for the cutter situation. He was also the assistant GM was he not under Chuck? signing cutter as soon as his college season ended was about as simple and easy as can be. That should have been priority #1 all along. This just didn't appear and the flyer were like oh poop his season has ended what do we do. He should have been in the lineup the very next flyers game when his college season was done,
in theory you are correct with the top 12 players. will that happen though? I dont want to hear well we "need" ND against the rangers or what not. They don't
not if they are out of the playoff picture which I expect they will be.
now I hope they are in the 7/8th spot so then can use some of the acquired picks to bring in some players to help the core guys who have earned the right to try to win a cup as the Co-GM said, or something to that effect.
I think co-gm danny boy was saying that tongue in cheek about ND. though with this team you can never tell as they are so out of touch. There really isnt any place at all for ND in the lineup. none. - hello it's me 2050
This is where I disagree with you. If Ginning, Attard or Andrae are good enough, they will be playing over Johnson. Johnson is here as a development coach more than anything else. He will play if injuries arise and the Flyers need him to. Also its clear at this point looking at forwards, that there is no room for Deslauries. He will be the 13th or 14th forward on this team.
- jd250
Johnson is a lock for the roster. Ristolainen if he is healthy is a lock for the roster. Then there is York, Sanheim, Seeler and Drysdale. Zamula is ahead of those players. A team that should be rebuilding basically has no legitimate open opportunities for a young defenseman to break in. Including Andrae who they named as a reason for why they didn't draft Buium. What don't you get?
I don't believe Briere screwed up at all with Gauthier. He was ready to sign him in May 2023, after Briere became official GM on May 11th, and get him into camp to make the Flyers in the 2023-24 season. Gauthier refused. If you insist on absolving Gauthier from any wrong doing here, then I suggest you blame the timing of the firing of Fletcher, because that, more than anything else in my opinion, is what complicated things. Feltcher got fired on March 10th and the very next day Gauthier's season at BC ended on March 11th. Briere hadn't even been in the GM chair a day when all this went down. Its completely unfair to blame Briere for any of this. - jd250
There was nothing complicated about it. Sign Gauthier at the end of the season and burn the first year like every other team is doing with top college players. It was actually very simple. It's absurd not to blame the Flyers. It was a no brainer and they were incompetent.
And Hextall was infuriatingly patient, a far cry from the hyper-aggressive team-building strategies of Holmgren and Bob Clarke.
In stepped Clarke. Less than 24 hours after Hextall was let go, Fletcher’s name popped up as a candidate — and it was no coincidence that Clarke had given Fletcher his first job in hockey in 1993. Fletcher was Clarke’s preferred option. He knew Fletcher to be a genuinely good person, and a collaborative GM at heart. Fletcher wouldn’t freeze out the alumni as Hextall had.
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But it also played as an endorsement of what Scott had been led to believe mattered most in a successful Flyers front office — collaboration. And that included the franchise legend senior advisers in the organization — Clarke, Holmgren and Bill Barber.
Clarke likes being the godfather of the Flyers. People kissing his ring and asking for permission. Hextall was a threat to that. Fletcher was his godson in spirit and the perfect consigliere for Clarke. - Flyers_01
“It’s a bunch of bulls—. I get a kick out of us, as coaches… we talk about this, that and the other thing,” he said. “‘This is what I’m looking for.’ It’s a bunch of bulls—. We try things, and if it works, it works.”
Tortorella doesn't give a flying fig about line projections. He's going to do, what he's going to do. Did you not see the last game of the season last year? Torts laughs at your projections.
so your conclusion is Clarke hates hextall? - hello it's me 2050
No. My conclusion is Clarke likes himself some Clarke and Hextall threatened his empire. He hated that Hextall kneecapped him so he returned the favor.
IMO, it really had little to do with what was best for the Flyers other than Clarke thinking that whatever HE THOUGHT WAS BEST FOR THE FLYERS was best for the Flyers. Not a lot of analytical thinking going on in those decisions.
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Aug 18 @ 9:03 AM ET
It is a rebuild. Danny is building through the draft. Tearing it down is a method of rebuilding. It is a better way at potentially securing top talent. However you have to commit to losing money, something that a team owned by a Business like Comcast would never approve. Like Bill has posted in the past it is a Hextall type rebuild. We all have sour thoughts about Hextall's tenure here but let's be fair. If Hextall doesnt miss on that Nolan Patrick Pick, he likely still keeps his job.
I also heard a rumour suggesting the Flyers did not originally intend to sign JVR. Flyers front office promised Dave Scott a big splash at the draft and the deal that was in the works fell through. Now the rumour is that the player was either Panarin or Ryan O'Reilly. Both make sense as this wasnt the first time I heard rumblings about the Flyers going after RoR, swaer someone within the Flyers said he was targetted at one point and Panarin only wanted to play for the Rangers which is why a deal potentially fell through. This would hjave been 2018-19 with Panarin on the final year of his deal. IF he was the player, the trade probably required Panarin to agree to an extension with PHI before they agreed and since he wanted to go to NY, he refused.
Whatever the deal was is no matter as Dave Scott was upset as no big splash was made which is why Hextall went out and made the "Big Splash" that sealed his fate. - xShoot4WarAmpsx
Tearing it down is not a method of a rebuild ….it is literally the 1rst step in any rebuild. It is the hardest part in that it takes a team backwards in their overall talent level and production level. It allows teams to collect assets for the future by moving out their most valuable pieces that don’t fit a time line for when a team expects to be better. That’s what leads to a teams setback and thus better draft capital. I will grant you that all tear downs need not look the same, but the Flyers did not take any steps back…or even attempt it. The one move you could point to…that kinda looked like that, was moving out Walker last year….only after they couldn’t agree on a contract extension?
Briere is simply trying to build a better team….like 20 other teams in the league.
To call it a rebuild is simply not paying attention to what they are actually doing. To call it a rebuild is just listening to the rhetoric.
Hextall tried the same plan, although his young core was far more talented. We’ll see if Briere can make up the difference with solid drafts….I guess getting Michkov is a nice start.
landros 2 Season Ticket Holder Philadelphia Flyers
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Aug 18 @ 9:05 AM ET
No. My conclusion is Clarke likes himself some Clarke and Hextall threatened his empire. He hated that Hextall kneecapped him so he returned the favor. - Flyers_01
No know what Clarke hated most? how Hextall’s plan failed.
No. My conclusion is Clarke likes himself some Clarke and Hextall threatened his empire. He hated that Hextall kneecapped him so he returned the favor.
IMO, it really had little to do with what was best for the Flyers other than Clarke thinking that whatever HE THOUGHT WAS BEST FOR THE FLYERS was best for the Flyers. - Flyers_01
Clarke was the asset used for the PR hit to stand up for Fletcher and take out Hextall. To blame Hextall for Fletcher's failure. It's what the entire interview was for. Clarke loves the Flyers and is set in the old Flyers way. Hextall tried to change that and you don't do that to the Flyers. It's why unless that changes, the Flyers will never be a top team.
No. My conclusion is Clarke likes himself some Clarke and Hextall threatened his empire. He hated that Hextall kneecapped him so he returned the favor.
IMO, it really had little to do with what was best for the Flyers other than Clarke thinking that whatever HE THOUGHT WAS BEST FOR THE FLYERS was best for the Flyers. Not a lot of analytical thinking going on in those decisions. - Flyers_01
returned what favor? never mind. all Clarkes fault the flyers suck the last 12 years.
Clarke was the asset used for the PR hit to take out Hextall. It's what the entire interview was for. Clarke loves the Flyers and is set in the old Flyers way. Hextall tried to change that and you don't do that to the Flyers. It's why unless that changes, the Flyers will never be a top team. - MJL
take out your dad saint ronnie. stfu. your dad just wasn't very good. that has been proven over 2 organizations.
yeah man he really took him out in those 90 seconds at the end. crushed him. buried him. killed him. set him straight. why do you fail to mention 99.9% of the interview was about his career. he was asked a question, you just didn't like the answer
No know what Clarke hated most? how Hextall’s plan failed. - landros 2
Look, i don't want to continue rehashing this for the next 10 years.
Did Hextall fail to bring in elite talent? Yes.
Did it take Hextall 2+ years to clear up the cap from Holmgren's years? Yes.
Should've Hextall done a full tear down? Absofreakinglutely.
Did Hextall leave Fletcher with plenty of cap room and what was considered a deep prospect pool (but devoid of elite talent)? Yes.
Everything there are facts except the full tear down which is my opinion. He did not succeed in building a contender but the team was in a much better long term position when he left than when he found it.
Fletcher left it worse, much worse with Fletcher being the guy who would kiss the ring and keep Clarke happy.
The whole Makar interview thing was all Clarke protecting Fletcher and himself at a time when fans had out the pitchforks for Fletcher.
It's not hyperbole to say Hextall was the only GM of the last 25 years whose goal was not to spend to the cap and also the only GM that Clarke has ever said a harsh word about. Hell Fletch, as bad as he is and as far as i know, still enjoys Clarke's full support and friendship. Don't you agree? No rant about how nobody wanted Risto or TDA?
Look, i don't want to continue rehashing this for the next 10 years.
Did Hextall fail to bring in elite talent? Yes.
Did it take Hextall 2+ years to clear up the cap from Holmgren's years? Yes.
Should've Hextall done a full tear down? Absofreakinglutely.
Did Hextall leave Fletcher with plenty of cap room and what was considered a deep prospect pool (but devoid of elite talent)? Yes.
Everything there are facts except the full tear down which is my opinion. He did not succeed in building a contender but the team was in a much better long term position when he left than when he found it.
Fletcher left it worse, much worse with Fletcher being the guy who would kiss the ring and keep Clarke happy.
The whole Makar interview thing was all Clarke protecting Fletcher and himself at a time when fans had out the pitchforks for Fletcher.
It's not hyperbole to say Hextall was the only GM of the last 25 years whose goal was not to spend to the cap and also the only GM that Clarke has ever said a harsh word about. Hell Fletch, as bad as he is and as far as i know, still enjoys Clarke's full support and friendship. Don't you agree? No rant about how nobody wanted Risto or TDA? - Flyers_01
this is just total BS. the interview was about his career. except the last 90 seconds when he was directly asked a question. you and others just do not like the answer and want to question his motives.
Did Clarke ever on his own come out and "badmouth" saint ronnie? ever say he was terrible or things of that nature?
I have zero doubt if he is asked about chuck at some point he will give an honest answer.
Look, i don't want to continue rehashing this for the next 10 years.
Did Hextall fail to bring in elite talent? Yes.
Did it take Hextall 2+ years to clear up the cap from Holmgren's years? Yes.
Should've Hextall done a full tear down? Absofreakinglutely.
Did Hextall leave Fletcher with plenty of cap room and what was considered a deep prospect pool (but devoid of elite talent)? Yes.
Everything there are facts except the full tear down which is my opinion. He did not succeed in building a contender but the team was in a much better long term position when he left than when he found it.
Fletcher left it worse, much worse with Fletcher being the guy who would kiss the ring and keep Clarke happy.
The whole Makar interview thing was all Clarke protecting Fletcher and himself at a time when fans had out the pitchforks for Fletcher.
It's not hyperbole to say Hextall was the only GM of the last 25 years whose goal was not to spend to the cap and also the only GM that Clarke has ever said a harsh word about. Hell Fletch, as bad as he is and as far as i know, still enjoys Clarke's full support and friendship. Don't you agree? No rant about how nobody wanted Risto or TDA? - Flyers_01
I'm waiting for the Clarke interview to throw Fletcher under the bus under the guise of a career introspect. Should be coming any day now. You have to be completely naive to not realize what the entire purpose of that interview was. Out of blue with Clarke being completely out of the media for years.
returned what favor? never mind. all Clarkes fault the flyers suck the last 12 years. - hello it's me 2050
Hextall, did not consult Clarke. Fact. Clarke did not like not being consulted. Also Fact. Clarke threw his full support behind Fletcher a person who looked up to Clarke and would allow him to regain his influence. Fact.
Holmgren/Clarke and Fletcher were all hyper-aggressive spend to the cap every year the opposite of Hextall.
None of this is in dispute. These have all been confirmed in numerous articles. When Fletcher finally got canned there were many articles about the senior advisors and how they needed to go.
Nobody is saying Hextall was perfect or even a great GM or that he didn't make mistakes but his approach was more aligned with the salary cap era than Holmgren's/Clarke's and Fletchers. That is also a fact.
How many times does the sun need to rise in the morning before you stop thinking that maybe this is the day it won't rise?
landros 2 Season Ticket Holder Philadelphia Flyers
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Aug 18 @ 9:37 AM ET
Look, i don't want to continue rehashing this for the next 10 years.
Did Hextall fail to bring in elite talent? Yes.
Did it take Hextall 2+ years to clear up the cap from Holmgren's years? Yes.
Should've Hextall done a full tear down? Absofreakinglutely.
Did Hextall leave Fletcher with plenty of cap room and what was considered a deep prospect pool (but devoid of elite talent)? Yes.
Everything there are facts except the full tear down which is my opinion. He did not succeed in building a contender but the team was in a much better long term position when he left than when he found it.
Fletcher left it worse, much worse with Fletcher being the guy who would kiss the ring and keep Clarke happy.
The whole Makar interview thing was all Clarke protecting Fletcher and himself at a time when fans had out the pitchforks for Fletcher.
It's not hyperbole to say Hextall was the only GM of the last 25 years whose goal was not to spend to the cap and also the only GM that Clarke has ever said a harsh word about. Hell Fletch, as bad as he is and as far as i know, still enjoys Clarke's full support and friendship. Don't you agree? No rant about how nobody wanted Risto or TDA? - Flyers_01
Not sure Hexy left the Flyers in a much better place…if they were in a “much” better place he wouldn’t have been fired. I do agree that Clarke’s finger prints were all over Fletchers hiring and although I hardly think Hextall’s demise had anything to do with Clarke I think we can assume he wasn’t a big Hextall cheerleader.
From what Clarke said in the interview it seems like he was hearing a lot of the scouts and other team higher ups felt under used and appreciated by Hextall. Obviously Clarke would be privy to this in house fighting. If Hextall had done better job or you could actually see them taking steps forward he wouldn’t not have been fired. But to me he was fired with cause. Like is always the case when a GM is fired the team starts to look like a dumpster fire.
Perhaps had Hextall not burned certain bridges along the way he would have been given more time….although I’m simply guessing at that.
I think Clarke sold the Flyers on a guy like Fletcher as a “collaboration” type guy….kinda the anti Hextall approach. I didn’t like the hire then, but tried to give him a chance….but although I liked a few things early on, it always seemed like they were over paying on moves.
I like both DB and Jonesy….I hope they succeed. As Jonesy puts it “they are trying to thread a needle” here. Would I have been on board for a more comprehensive plan that was an actual rebuild? Sure….but that’s not the plan…so now I hope we fall into anothe couple of Michkov types….preferably one that plays centre and one that plays D.
