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flylerid
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 05.13.2023

Aug 21 @ 10:49 AM ET
One would think that you don't make the move to terminate if you're not on solid ground.
- MJL


It's a bold move, simply to avoid LTIR. I agree, Comcast's lawyers must feel they have an iron clad case.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 21 @ 10:49 AM ET
BuT tHeY pAsSeD oN bIuIm!!!!
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


They did and based on current information, it was a mistake. As always, in the end, time will tell.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Aug 21 @ 10:50 AM ET
Drafts should not be judged until a couple years out. I did find it peculiar that they passed on another Oderkirk client who is in the NCAA. I don’t mind Luchanko, as he plays close to where I live so I do get to follow his progress along with the other two guys in London.
- landros 2


Agreed. People get too tied up in the hype. Nobody knows whats going to become of either guy. I think Luchenko has a higher upside than Biuim does. It is one thing to dominate VS teens than it is to play VS grown men. We wont know until we see how they adapt to a game with less time and space and much bigger and stronger opponents.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Aug 21 @ 10:57 AM ET
Drafts should not be judged until a couple years out. I did find it peculiar that they passed on another Oderkirk client who is in the NCAA. I don’t mind Luchanko, as he plays close to where I live so I do get to follow his progress along with the other two guys in London.
- landros 2


It's an interesting coincidence for sure. Fights with two of his clients and if they had drafted Buium and he forced a trade like Goat then what a mess..
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Aug 21 @ 10:57 AM ET
Agreed. People get too tied up in the hype. Nobody knows whats going to become of either guy. I think Luchenko has a higher upside than Biuim does. It is one thing to dominate VS teens than it is to play VS grown men. We wont know until we see how they adapt to a game with less time and space and much bigger and stronger opponents.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx



...this..
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Aug 21 @ 10:59 AM ET
If the Flyers lose does the PA or the NHL do anything?

Could have a long term negative effect on the franchise.

- furio16


No.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Aug 21 @ 10:59 AM ET
Maybe wait until after he's had that monster year before taking your victory lap?



- Tomahawk

True, but I am confident about this one.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 21 @ 11:01 AM ET
Agreed. People get too tied up in the hype. Nobody knows whats going to become of either guy. I think Luchenko has a higher upside than Biuim does. It is one thing to dominate VS teens than it is to play VS grown men. We wont know until we see how they adapt to a game with less time and space and much bigger and stronger opponents.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Why do you think Luchanko has a higher upside? Buium was universally rated higher than Luchanko was?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 21 @ 11:02 AM ET
True, but I am confident about this one.
- jd250


We've seen this movie before.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Aug 21 @ 11:03 AM ET
It's an interesting coincidence for sure. Fights with two of his clients and if they had drafted Buium and he forced a trade like Goat then what a mess..
- Hextall271


I wonder if Buium and Oderhardt ghosted the Flyers prior to the draft?
landros 2
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Aug 21 @ 11:05 AM ET
Why do you think Luchanko has a higher upside? Buium was universally rated higher than Luchanko was?
- MJL


The Flyers could have made the playoffs and still been in a position to draft Luchanko.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Aug 21 @ 11:08 AM ET
But why not have the surgery in the spring? Why did he wait?
- 26912 PP



Were they trying to rehab the injury to prevent surgery?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 21 @ 11:10 AM ET
The Flyers could have made the playoffs and still been in a position to draft Luchanko.
- landros 2



Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Aug 21 @ 11:13 AM ET
Some additional potential insight into the nuts and bolts of it (although i would not call the Flyers "extremely courageous" for doing this) :

https://www.broadstreetho...yan-johansen-dispute-101/

Pursuant to the SPC, a third, independent doctor must have been consulted. If you trust the Flyers’ front office, you can assume that the third doctor deemed Johansen fit to play, but if you believe Johansen’s agent, the doctor may have come to the opposite conclusion. Regardless, one thing is essential to understand: If the Flyers failed to follow the above process step by step, they likely prejudiced Johansen’s rights under the SPC and improperly attempted to terminate it.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 21 @ 11:17 AM ET
Some additional potential insight into the nuts and bolts of it (although i would not call the Flyers "extremely courageous" for doing this) :

https://www.broadstreetho...yan-johansen-dispute-101/

Pursuant to the SPC, a third, independent doctor must have been consulted. If you trust the Flyers’ front office, you can assume that the third doctor deemed Johansen fit to play, but if you believe Johansen’s agent, the doctor may have come to the opposite conclusion. Regardless, one thing is essential to understand: If the Flyers failed to follow the above process step by step, they likely prejudiced Johansen’s rights under the SPC and improperly attempted to terminate it.

- Flyers_01


I'm confident in stating that it is unlikely that the Flyers made this move without consulting the league and their lawyers. I don't think they made this move independently.
Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Aug 21 @ 11:26 AM ET
I'm confident in stating that it is unlikely that the Flyers made this move without consulting the league and their lawyers. I don't think they made this move independently.
- MJL


Interestingly enough, i think the last "material breach" case in the NHL might've been Mike Richards.
wcorvette
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Aug 21 @ 11:31 AM ET
The Flyers could have made the playoffs and still been in a position to draft Luchanko.
- landros 2



but would have not had a shot at the draft lotto
TobyFlenderson
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Annex, Scranton, PA
Joined: 06.13.2013

Aug 21 @ 11:34 AM ET
Interestingly enough, i think the last "material breach" case in the NHL might've been Mike Richards.
- Flyers_01

The one that feels at least a little similar is that Dustin Byfuglien saga. Though I believe he eventually agreed to terminate, whereas
Johansen does not seem willing. That was for a lot more money too.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Aug 21 @ 11:45 AM ET
We've seen this movie before.
- MJL

Right on schedule
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Aug 21 @ 11:46 AM ET
I wonder if Buium and Oderhardt ghosted the Flyers prior to the draft?
- landros 2

I absolutley believe Overhardt had something to do with the Flyers passing on Buium
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 21 @ 11:48 AM ET
A PoHO that has never worked in an NHL front office in any capacity whstsoever.

An inexperienced GM whose minuscule hands on experience came under the stewardship of a grossly incompetent GM

A overbearing, narcissistic and petty tyrant of a head coach who holds grudges and plays favorites.

What could possibly go wrong?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 21 @ 11:49 AM ET
Right on schedule
- jd250


It was. First bus A comes, which is you making a silly statement. Followed by bus B, which is me commenting on it. Bus B is a very easy route and it runs frequently due to the unreliability of bus A.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 21 @ 11:49 AM ET
I absolutley believe Overhardt had something to do with the Flyers passing on Buium
- jd250


Maybe, but if so, just more incompetence from the Flyers.
anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Aug 21 @ 11:52 AM ET
All I can say is I told you all so. Jett will have a monster +1 year at Gaulf and will make the Flyers next season. And then when that happens many on here ripping the Flyers now, will say "Buium who?"
- jd250


Maybe we let him play an nhl game before we say I told you so lol
backfire
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Lancaster, PA
Joined: 08.07.2018

Aug 21 @ 11:58 AM ET
So an injury was diagnosed in March and surgery is just now scheduled?
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