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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 9 @ 2:07 PM ET
Its funny hearing people complain about him. Hes going to play 20-30 games like you mention, yet somehow hes blocking a young player. If the Flyers brought up Andrae and only played him 20-30 games, people here would be going nuts because young players need to play, Everyone lost their minds because Frost sat for 11 games yet the same people want to bring up a young player to sit for 50 games

EJ's role is pretty much to sit there just in case. It takes time to call up someone from the Phatoms, they no longer play across the street. Call ups need to be done in advance.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


If Andrae is brought up, why will he only play 20-30 games? Why not give him a legit opportunity to earn a full time roster spot in camp? You're mistaken on what Eric Johnson's role is. He is going to play a significant number of games. He is blocking young players and was an unnecessary signing.

Nobody has said that they want to bring up a young player and sit him for 50 games. What are you talking about?
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Sep 9 @ 2:31 PM ET
If Andrae is brought up, why will he only play 20-30 games? Why not give him a legit opportunity to earn a full time roster spot in camp? You're mistaken on what Eric Johnson's role is. He is going to play a significant number of games. He is blocking young players and was an unnecessary signing.

Nobody has said that they want to bring up a young player and sit him for 50 games. What are you talking about?

- MJL


You just did.

I would guess he will see around the same as Staal. About 30. More if there are injuries.
- MJL



Yet you say EJ is blocking someone like Andrae. If you give Andrae EJ's roster spot, the role doesnt change. Andrae is playing the 30 games EJ would have played. That is not good for Andrae. You say hes going to play a significant amount of games but state he probably plays 30 but that 30 games is not a significant opporunity for a young player.

Which is it?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 9 @ 2:39 PM ET
You just did.




Yet you say EJ is blocking someone like Andrae. If you give Andrae EJ's roster spot, the role doesnt change. Andrae is playing the 30 games EJ would have played. That is not good for Andrae. You say hes going to play a significant amount of games but state he probably plays 30 but that 30 games is not a significant opporunity for a young player.

Which is it?

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


You have a reading comprehension issue. As if guessing that Johnson is going to play 30 games or so is advocating for a young player to come up and sit for 50 games. LOL

Obviously, Andrae is not going to be given the same role as Johnson. I have posted this to you previously. The Flyers should be a rebuilding team. They have Sanheim, York, Seeler and Drysdale. That's 4. The other two spots should be an open competition between Zamula, Andrae, Ginning and Attard. With Ristolainen in the role that Johnson is pegged for. That gives young players a legitimate chance. The Flyers are going to do what they always do. Keep prospects down until they no longer are part of the picture. Always cater to veterans because they have to win. They named Andrae as a reason why they didn't draft Buium. Andrae is so good, he's not going to make the team.
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Sep 9 @ 3:01 PM ET
EJ is non factor. Hes going to be in the press box most nights. Comes down to

Sanheim
York
Drysdale
Seeler
Risto
Zamula

Seeler has trade protection but he can be waived and demoted. Waiving may be more preferable than playing in Allentown. Seeler has only been a regular roster player the past year or so and hes in his 30s. His spot is not a lock imo

Ristolainen i think can be traded. I dont think we will get anything back. I think retention should be a non starter but depending on cost i might be willing to part with a mid pick to get rid of him or perhaps a RyJo like contract we could bury in the minors

Not much to add on Zamula.

Flyers could also keep someone up and alternate D which they did last season. Not ideal but can be a temporary solution

- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Seeler is not getting demoted or waived. To say so is just flat out delusional. His spot is a lock.

Can you name one team who you think would interest on Risto with no rentention and why.
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Sep 9 @ 3:05 PM ET
Johnson is not the issue. Risto is the issue and that was Fletchers move.
- 26912 PP

The current GM was part of that management group. One who also approved of ND being signed.
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Sep 9 @ 3:09 PM ET
There absolutely is. This guy is not a coinfirmed Rosterplayer. He was a AHL\NHL tweener until a season or two ago. They are not going to play him over other guys if he sucks which is completely possible. If someone has a fantastic camp, Seeler could potentially be the guy demoted or sitting.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

No there absolutely isn’t. Who cares what he was as right now he is a top 6 NHL defenseman who got a shinny new 4 year contract.

He isn’t sitting or being waived. To actually believe this is beyond funny.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Sep 9 @ 4:10 PM ET
No there absolutely isn’t. Who cares what he was as right now he is a top 6 NHL defenseman who got a shinny new 4 year contract.

He isn’t sitting or being waived. To actually believe this is beyond funny.

- furio16


Yes there is, his contract doesnt matter. A NHL team is going to ice the best team possible. Seeler is not guranteed to have as good of a year that he had last season.

Deslaurier started the season as the defacto 4th line LW. As the season progressed Torts started to sit Deslaurier because he simply wasnt effective. If Seeler is effective, then yes his spot is safe but if he doesnt play well, Torts isnt just going to play him because he has a shiny new contract
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Sep 9 @ 4:11 PM ET
You have a reading comprehension issue. As if guessing that Johnson is going to play 30 games or so is advocating for a young player to come up and sit for 50 games. LOL

Obviously, Andrae is not going to be given the same role as Johnson. I have posted this to you previously. The Flyers should be a rebuilding team. They have Sanheim, York, Seeler and Drysdale. That's 4. The other two spots should be an open competition between Zamula, Andrae, Ginning and Attard. With Ristolainen in the role that Johnson is pegged for. That gives young players a legitimate chance. The Flyers are going to do what they always do. Keep prospects down until they no longer are part of the picture. Always cater to veterans because they have to win. They named Andrae as a reason why they didn't draft Buium. Andrae is so good, he's not going to make the team.

- MJL


Apparently everyone you comment with has a reading comprehension issue. That is your only comeback. You arent worth my time. Goodbye
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Sep 9 @ 4:13 PM ET
If everyone is healthy, there is really only one spot that might be open. When are you going to admit that acquiring Ristolainen was a complete and utter disaster?
- MJL
When you admit that Myers is a bad hockey player and the main reason that he sucks is because he has a LOW hockey IQ. Thanks!
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Sep 9 @ 4:17 PM ET
Yes there is, his contract doesnt matter. A NHL team is going to ice the best team possible. Seeler is not guranteed to have as good of a year that he had last season.

Deslaurier started the season as the defacto 4th line LW. As the season progressed Torts started to sit Deslaurier because he simply wasnt effective. If Seeler is effective, then yes his spot is safe but if he doesnt play well, Torts isnt just going to play him because he has a shiny new contract

- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Here is a quarter go buy yourself a clue.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Sep 9 @ 4:20 PM ET
There absolutely is. This guy is not a coinfirmed Rosterplayer. He was a AHL\NHL tweener until a season or two ago. They are not going to play him over other guys if he sucks which is completely possible. If someone has a fantastic camp, Seeler could potentially be the guy demoted or sitting.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx
I highly highly highly doubt this. They love Seeler and unless he forgot how to skate over the summer he will be on the opening night roster. Remember, he blocks shots and Torts just loves guys that block shots.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Sep 9 @ 4:23 PM ET
The current GM was part of that management group. One who also approved of ND being signed.
- furio16


Part sure but irrellevant. If Briere doesnt agree with the signing you think Fletcher decides "well guess im not gonna do it". Fletcher was the boss, he makes the final decisions. Is it possible Briere was onboard? Sure but if he wasnt, he had no power to veto it. The result is still the same. Much like everyone I hated the signing. Id rather have kept Lindblom than buy him out just to sign Braun and ND.

Fletcher got progressively worse every year with the team.

Flyers should have recognized the Ristolainen trade was a mistake and traded him at the deadline.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 9 @ 4:25 PM ET
Yes there is, his contract doesnt matter. A NHL team is going to ice the best team possible. Seeler is not guranteed to have as good of a year that he had last season.

Deslaurier started the season as the defacto 4th line LW. As the season progressed Torts started to sit Deslaurier because he simply wasnt effective. If Seeler is effective, then yes his spot is safe but if he doesnt play well, Torts isnt just going to play him because he has a shiny new contract

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


You're trying to compare a 4th line role players to a top 4 defenseman. By your logic, no player has a safe spot because if they don't play well, Tortorella may not play them. You're not dealing in reality.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 9 @ 4:26 PM ET
Apparently everyone you comment with has a reading comprehension issue. That is your only comeback. You arent worth my time. Goodbye
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


I'll translate. My position was too strong for you. Clearly there was more to my post than just commenting on your comprehension ability.


You haven't changed. You're as clueless as ever.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 9 @ 4:27 PM ET
When you admit that Myers is a bad hockey player and the main reason that he sucks is because he has a LOW hockey IQ. Thanks!

- Phillywhiteout


Myers issue was not a low hockey IQ. You're welcome.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Sep 9 @ 4:27 PM ET
I highly highly highly doubt this. They love Seeler and unless he forgot how to skate over the summer he will be on the opening night roster. Remember, he blocks shots and Torts just loves guys that block shots.
- Phillywhiteout


Im not saying it is likely. Just that its a possibility. Seeler is 31 years old and just 3 seasons over 50 games played. That doesnt scream reliable Dman
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Sep 9 @ 4:31 PM ET
Im not saying it is likely. Just that it’s a possibility. Seeler is 31 years old and just 3 seasons over 50 games played. That doesnt scream reliable Dman
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

It isn’t a possibility
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 9 @ 4:36 PM ET
Im not saying it is likely. Just that its a possibility. Seeler is 31 years old and just 3 seasons over 50 games played. That doesnt scream reliable Dman
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


He has played two straight seasons of over 70 games in a Flyers uniform. Instead of trading him, they re-signed him to a 4 year contract extension with a NTC in the first two years of the deal. What does that scream to you? Do the math. It's not hard.


MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Sep 9 @ 5:02 PM ET
If any of you are interested in taking over a team in a keeper league I have been in for almost 20 years. The available teams have some good players. you get to keep 14 players and 2 goalies ranked higher than 100. After that we draft to fill out the rosters.

PM me if interested. No money involved. Just a year after year thing where you draft for the future as much as for the current season. We need at least 1 player and as many as 5.
missingmike
Joined: 07.08.2011

Sep 9 @ 5:08 PM ET
So Kolosov is apparently not attending camp this week. When are we allowed to start blaming the Flyers for this? Got quite a few names on the list of players that do not want to play here.
- mickel25

He is also not playing in KHL. When are we allowed to blame Flyers for this?
Come on, we do not have facts, only insinuations
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Sep 9 @ 5:58 PM ET
If any of you are interested in taking over a team in a keeper league I have been in for almost 20 years. The available teams have some good players. you get to keep 14 players and 2 goalies ranked higher than 100. After that we draft to fill out the rosters.

PM me if interested. No money involved. Just a year after year thing where you draft for the future as much as for the current season. We need at least 1 player and as many as 5.

- MBFlyerfan


You keep 14 players! That's insane. In my league you can keep only 5 including 1 goalie if you want

And we are looking for 2 GMs if anybody is interested.
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Sep 9 @ 6:01 PM ET
He is also not playing in KHL. When are we allowed to blame Flyers for this?
Come on, we do not have facts, only insinuations

- missingmike



Go look up Charlie Os conversation on kolosov today on youtube. Kolosov has no leverage, he signed a contract and his Minsk team already has its goalies. Will Russian teams fight to keep him, probably not. He will be banned from play international hockey like Fedotov is.

Flyers can table his contract and hold his rights indefinitely.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Sep 9 @ 6:34 PM ET
You keep 14 players! That's insane. In my league you can keep only 5 including 1 goalie if you want

And we are looking for 2 GMs if anybody is interested.

- WhiskeyMan



Actually mistyped. Its 14 players total with max 2 goalies ranked better than 100. Only ten teams total so plenty of good players always available plus rookies. Michkov will be my first pick if he is there. Ive had Giroux his whole career. lol
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Sep 9 @ 6:39 PM ET
Go look up Charlie Os conversation on kolosov today on youtube. Kolosov has no leverage, he signed a contract and his Minsk team already has its goalies. Will Russian teams fight to keep him, probably not. He will be banned from play international hockey like Fedotov is.

Flyers can table his contract and hold his rights indefinitely.

- WhiskeyMan



None of this makes any sense from his point of view. If I were his agent I would be working hard to try to talk some sense in to him. As you said, he has zero leverage.
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Sep 9 @ 7:27 PM ET
Actually mistyped. Its 14 players total with max 2 goalies ranked better than 100. Only ten teams total so plenty of good players always available plus rookies. Michkov will be my first pick if he is there. Ive had Giroux his whole career. lol
- MBFlyerfan



I was about to say, 14, my goodness.

I have 2 first round picks which includes #1. Mcdavid and best goalie available coming my way.

I am hoping to get MM as well
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