no it is reality.

ND does not help you win games in any shape or form. he hurts your team as it leaves you shorthanded. teams want him in the lineup as they know the chance to score went up dramatically.
- hello it's me 2050

And I think he does help the Flyers. I think he does a very good job in his role. The organization appears to agree with me up till now.

And I think he does help the Flyers. I think he does a very good job in his role. The organization appears to agree with me up till now.
- landros 2

the same organization that is one of the worst in all of sports. what a ringing endorsement.

the fact you think he helps the flyers wins games is well I do not have a word for it.

the same organization that is one of the worst in all of sports. what a ringing endorsement.

the fact you think he helps the flyers wins games is well I do not have a word for it.
- hello it's me 2050

The fact that you don’t see what he brings….I dont have a word for it.

So to end this disagreement…

Team DLow:

Me
The entire Philadelphia Flyers organization. ( worst in all of sports)



Team PS5:

Hello it’s me
MJL

What’s a new topic we can disagree on ?

I understand this to a point, but I just fail to see how ND squaring off with whatever goon is playing for the other team prevents the players who will be on the ice against Michkov from taking runs at him. Do you put ND out to take runs at McDavid?

It's a different game now. If I am the other team I am foaming at the mouth to have ND out there against my top players.

We saw what will ACTUALLY have to happen. It will be Couturier, Foerster, or whoever is on the ice at the same time that will be having to do the dirty work while ND cheers from the bench.
- MBFlyerfan

Yes but thats not how it works. Every coach would love to get their 1st line out against any teams 4th line but coaches dont let that happen. If Deslaurier plays 6 mins a night that means he gets 2 30 second shifts per period. Your coach is not going to throw them on the ice when the teams 1st line is out, coaches throw out lines best to counter the opponents. For half the games you got last change as well giving you the advantage on changes after time stops. If the 4th line is out and the opponent changes, The Flyers are very much going to change as well.

It will sometimes happen but Coaches do what they can to prevent that as much as possible

So in a 60 minute game….you want to play all your W’s equal time? 15 minutes each? You see I think that is Dumb. If your top two W’s player 18-21 minutes each and maybe your 3rd W plays maybe 13 or 14 minutes a night that leaves your 4th line guy a 6-7 minutes…or at least it should. You don’t see a benefit in DLow…that’s fine …I do. And so does the coaching staff.
- landros 2

Really need to judge not by total ice time but by ES ice time. If we look at last years Cup champs in Florida. The low minute ES ice time regular forwards averaged between 9 and 10 minutes per game. Their leader for major penalties was Jonah Gadfovich with 10. For the runner up Edmonton Oilers. Their bottom forwards averaged between 8 and 10 minutes per game. Their major leader was Corey Perry with 4. For the Rangers, their low minutes players averaged between 10 and 11 minutes and their major leader was Rempe with 6 but he only played 17 games. After that it was 4. For Dallas, their low minute forwards also averaged between 10 and 11 minutes a game and their major leader only had 2 fights! They went to the conference finals.

When you look at "goons" like Deslauriers. How many of his fights are actually fights that were due to protecting a player? Not many. Most are just staged fights with outer tough guys in a Richard measuring contest. No value at all to the team or the game.
For the few handful of times, there are other players that can handle it if a player like Michkov is being pushed around.

I'll remind you that when Nik Deslauriers was on the ice, the other team scored 63% of the goals. Horrendous.

Yes but thats not how it works. Every coach would love to get their 1st line out against any teams 4th line but coaches dont let that happen. If Deslaurier plays 6 mins a night that means he gets 2 30 second shifts per period. Your coach is not going to throw them on the ice when the teams 1st line is out, coaches throw out lines best to counter the opponents. For half the games you got last change as well giving you the advantage on changes after time stops. If the 4th line is out and the opponent changes, The Flyers are very much going to change as well.

It will sometimes happen but Coaches do what they can to prevent that as much as possible
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

You completely missed my point.

Explained above.
- landros 2

Where has anyone said they want to play all wingers equal time? The point is that overall, the on ice results with Delsauriers on the ice are so bad, that you can only play him a handful of minutes in a game. Over the course of 82 games played and or in any game he plays in. How many incidents are there going to be in a season where his toughness is needed to defend someone? A handful at best. Versus the quantity of actual game play? What is the greater value and need?

Yes but thats not how it works. Every coach would love to get their 1st line out against any teams 4th line but coaches dont let that happen. If Deslaurier plays 6 mins a night that means he gets 2 30 second shifts per period. Your coach is not going to throw them on the ice when the teams 1st line is out, coaches throw out lines best to counter the opponents. For half the games you got last change as well giving you the advantage on changes after time stops. If the 4th line is out and the opponent changes, The Flyers are very much going to change as well.

It will sometimes happen but Coaches do what they can to prevent that as much as possible
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

You clearly did not grasp what he was saying.

Really need to judge not by total ice time but by ES ice time. If we look at last years Cup champs in Florida. The low minute ES ice time regular forwards averaged between 9 and 10 minutes per game. Their leader for major penalties was Jonah Gadfovich with 10. For the runner up Edmonton Oilers. Their bottom forwards averaged between 8 and 10 minutes per game. Their major leader was Corey Perry with 4. For the Rangers, their low minutes players averaged between 10 and 11 minutes and their major leader was Rempe with 6 but he only played 17 games. After that it was 4. For Dallas, their low minute forwards also averaged between 10 and 11 minutes a game and their major leader only had 2 fights! They went to the conference finals.

When you look at "goons" like Deslauriers. How many of his fights are actually fights that were due to protecting a player? Not many. Most are just staged fights with outer tough guys in a Richard measuring contest. No value at all to the team or the game.
For the few handful of times, there are other players that can handle it if a player like Michkov is being pushed around.

I'll remind you that when Nik Deslauriers was on the ice, the other team scored 63% of the goals. Horrendous.
- MJL

There’s no way to measure the stats for a smaller skilled player feeling more comfortable on the ice and thus performing better? I do agree that DLow is a situational player. There will be a time when what he brings will not outweigh his stats. Do I think we are there? No not yet. But the Flyers season has not yet started and the final roster is not in place. I guess we’ll see.

Russian tandem in goal tonight.

There’s no way to measure the stats for a smaller skilled player feeling more comfortable on the ice and thus performing better? I do agree that DLow is a situational player. There will be a time when what he brings will not outweigh his stats. Do I think we are there? No not yet. But the Flyers season has not yet started and the final roster is not in place. I guess we’ll see.
- landros 2

I think there is. How many other teams feel the need to have a goon to protect their younger star players?
He's a situational player so them lets take a look at how many times in a season a situation comes up where that player is needed? Maybe half a dozen times a season? We're long past the time when what he brings doesn't outweigh the on ice results. He is simply not needed. Briere thinking he is, is not an endorsement on Briere's ability as a GM.

As far as fans having an opinion on what the team should do, is what the GM thinks now the standard of what we should also think? Or is it just in this case?

Where has anyone said they want to play all wingers equal time? The point is that overall, the on ice results with Delsauriers on the ice are so bad, that you can only play him a handful of minutes in a game. Over the course of 82 games played and or in any game he plays in. How many incidents are there going to be in a season where his toughness is needed to defend someone? A handful at best. Versus the quantity of actual game play? What is the greater value and need?
- MJL

No…. The equal time thing is part of what I deem to be a guy in his spot. I guess i still think his role is a tangible one. Let’s say we had a guy like Lysell in his place at those minutes being stapled to the bench for 54 minutes a night? What’s he going to bring? with good reason…not much. I still think at this point DLow brings a greater value and need at those minutes…it’s just an opinion….one that’s shared by the team. (At least for now)

I think there is. How many other teams feel the need to have a goon to protect their younger star players?
He's a situational player so them lets take a look at how many times in a season a situation comes up where that player is needed? Maybe half a dozen times a season? We're long past the time when what he brings doesn't outweigh the on ice results. He is simply not needed. Briere thinking he is, is not an endorsement on Briere's ability as a GM.

As far as fans having an opinion on what the team should do, is what the GM thinks now the standard of what we should also think? Or is it just in this case?
- MJL

I’ve been on here long enough for anyone to see I do not agree with everything this organization does…lol. This is one thing that I think they got right.

Russian tandem in goal tonight.
- Trox88

Interesting to see Kosolov

I think there is. How many other teams feel the need to have a goon to protect their younger star players?
He's a situational player so them lets take a look at how many times in a season a situation comes up where that player is needed? Maybe half a dozen times a season? We're long past the time when what he brings doesn't outweigh the on ice results. He is simply not needed. Briere thinking he is, is not an endorsement on Briere's ability as a GM.

As far as fans having an opinion on what the team should do, is what the GM thinks now the standard of what we should also think? Or is it just in this case?
- MJL

Flyers fans aren't lemmings. That's just crap made up by haters! You wanna see lemmings...go check out Eagles fans.

No…. The equal time thing is part of what I deem to be a guy in his spot. I guess i still think his role is a tangible one. Let’s say we had a guy like Lysell in his place at those minutes being stapled to the bench for 54 minutes a night? What’s he going to bring? with good reason…not much. I still think at this point DLow brings a greater value and need at those minutes…it’s just an opinion….one that’s shared by the team. (At least for now)
- landros 2

when you play someone with more skill you don't have to play them 6 minutes a night.

cates/laughton - RP - GH...you can play them 10-13 minutes a night easily. that in turn keeps other top players more fresh. No place for ND and when he does play hope they lose every game.

shared by a team that hasn't made the playoffs in years and is stuck in neutral.

No…. The equal time thing is part of what I deem to be a guy in his spot. I guess i still think his role is a tangible one. Let’s say we had a guy like Lysell in his place at those minutes being stapled to the bench for 54 minutes a night? What’s he going to bring? with good reason…not much. I still think at this point DLow brings a greater value and need at those minutes…it’s just an opinion….one that’s shared by the team. (At least for now)
- landros 2

A player like Lyksell is possibly capable of playing more than 6 minutes a game. Why is he only going to play 6 minutes. As I posted the best teams in the league are playing 4th line forwards 10-11 minutes a game at ES. Remember all the talk about Couturier being over played. The Flyers running out of gas? Minutes saved in the regular season leaves more in the tank for the stretch.
Obviously you have that opinion but where is the evidence to support it? The best I've seen is the GM thinks so, which is anecdotal at best.

Again, are we going to use what the team thinks when discussing every situation involving the Flyers? What does the GM think?

I’ve been on here long enough for anyone to see I do not agree with everything this organization does…lol. This is one thing that I think they got right.
- landros 2

I agree you don't. My point is that what the GM thinks is not evidence of anything.

when you play someone with more skill you don't have to play them 6 minutes a night.

cates/laughton - RP - GH...you can play them 10-13 minutes a night easily. that in turn keeps other top players more fresh. No place for ND and when he does play hope they lose every game.

shared by a team that hasn't made the playoffs in years and is stuck in neutral.
- hello it's me 2050

I hate to agree with you and your buddy, but in this instance I kinda have to. ND looks cooked! He simply can't keep up with the pace of the NHL skaters anymore. It was always borderline, but now it's painfully obvious that they are basically shorthanded every time he is on the ice. There are enough other guys on the ice if Michkov needs to be protected some.

Flyers fans aren't lemmings. That's just crap made up by haters! You wanna see lemmings...go check out Eagles fans.
- Phillywhiteout

As usual, you aren't following the conversation.

when you play someone with more skill you don't have to play them 6 minutes a night.

cates/laughton - RP - GH...you can play them 10-13 minutes a night easily. that in turn keeps other top players more fresh. No place for ND and when he does play hope they lose every game.

shared by a team that hasn't made the playoffs in years and is stuck in neutral.
- hello it's me 2050

I’d rather the top two skilled wingers see the ice 20 minutes or there a bouts a night and maybe your 3rd line 13-14 minutes a night. There is only so much ice time to go around. I will say this, I’m not interested in seeing DLow get more then his 6 minutes a night.

As usual, you aren't following the conversation.
- MJL

Yes I am. I'm just trolling Eagles fans cause I like to troll Eagles fans. I actually agree that ND should no longer be employed on this team. He is too effing slow! Of course, I don't know what their options are. Just another lingering gift that our buddy Chuckles left us.

Interesting to see Kosolov
- landros 2

Goalies should get a lot of work tonight. The forwards playing are very underwhelming.

I’d rather the top two skilled wingers see the ice 20 minutes or there a bouts a night and maybe your 3rd line 13-14 minutes a night. There is only so much ice time to go around. I will say this, I’m not interested in seeing DLow get more then his 6 minutes a night.
- landros 2

I've proven to you that there is plenty of ice time to go around for 4th line players to get 10-11 minutes a game at ES

A player like Lyksell is possibly capable of playing more than 6 minutes a game. Why is he only going to play 6 minutes. As I posted the best teams in the league are playing 4th line forwards 10-11 minutes a game at ES. Remember all the talk about Couturier being over played. The Flyers running out of gas? Minutes saved in the regular season leaves more in the tank for the stretch.
Obviously you have that opinion but where is the evidence to support it? The best I've seen is the GM thinks so, which is anecdotal at best.

Again, are we going to use what the team thinks when discussing every situation involving the Flyers? What does the GM think?
- MJL

I guess it’s just my opinion. Ive played at levels where I’ve seen first hand what the role is and what it brings. Is it different from then to now? Yes…do I think all lineups around the NHL need that guy? No. Do I think you need toughness in your line ….yes, of course, the game hasn’t changed that much.….would it be preferable to still have a guy like Wayne Simmonds? Of course. But that’s part of the dilemma…do you want guys like Coots having to be the one to jump in ?
Again it’s just my opinion….to you and Hello not a very good one.