Despite being only 22, he has played 147 games averaging nearly 20 min/game so i don't think it's fair to say he hasn't played a lot of games. That's nearly 2900 minutes of ice time in the NHL.

Not saying he should be a finished product but he's been playing in the deep end for 4 years and the only reason he doesn't have more games played is his propensity for significant injuries. Not to mention he's been practicing against NHL dmen and coached by NHL coaches those 4 years. Also, the way ANH plays defense is different than the way PHI plays defense which probably has an impact but since systems don't matter that won't be mentioned.
- Flyers_01

147 NHL games in 5 season is not a lot. That is an average of 30 games a season. Lets not forget how Covid effected his playing time before the NHL. He should have gone to the AHL to develop a bit but he was thrown into the NHL. He was eventually sent to the AHL.

Some will still blame Torts.

Tony D could put up points but is +/- was not good and he loved to be in the penalty box.

I don't think Hayes liked being called out by Torts and did the Quiet Quit thing. It jut seemed when January of 23 hit he just didn't seemed to be motivated
- WhiskeyMan

https://x.com/charlieo_co...tatus/1623742155918278665

Torts is a horrible talent evaluator. With Tony he discovered that the analytics were correct and that his gut was wrong. He should not get a pass with anything TDA related. He essentially got TDA hired and then fired him. Torts is the one who convinced himself that TDA was somebody that he wasn't.

147 NHL games in 5 season is not a lot. That is an average of 30 games a season. Lets not forget how Covid effected his playing time before the NHL. He should have gone to the AHL to develop a bit but he was thrown into the NHL. He was eventually sent to the AHL.
- WhiskeyMan

147 in 4 years. 49 games/season and that AHL time 14 games 4 years ago.

Not saying he wasn't put in the NHL to early but he did play 81 games at 20 min/game 3 years ago. He's not some AHL call up getting his 1st shot at the big club. He's been with the big club 4 years and getting top minutes.

If he's healthy he should only improve but he's had plenty of opportunity at his young age.

Hayes in January is in the midst of a career offensive season. Then Tortorella gets a hard on for him and demoted him in ice time and down in lines. His production went south. That's quitting?
- MJL

will also add that torts knew he wanted him gone at that time. torts just couldn't do the right thing and leave him in the top 6 keep that career year going. all about his ego.

would they have had to eat half the contract and get only a 6th if he did that?

Blame can go both ways. most on torts in this case.

https://x.com/charlieo_co...tatus/1623742155918278665

Torts is a horrible talent evaluator. With Tony he discovered that the analytics were correct and that his gut was wrong. He should not get a pass with anything TDA related. He essentially got TDA hired and then fired him. Torts is the one who convinced himself that TDA was somebody that he wasn't.
- Flyers_01

torts also had a big say in acquiring JD. hope this works out a tad better.

Has Ginning played himself out of NHL roster spot?

torts also had a big say in acquiring JD. hope this works out a tad better.
- hello it's me 2050

Did torts want TDA, I thought that was all fletcher?

Has Ginning played himself out of NHL roster spot?
- WhiskeyMan

He was never in the running to earn one.

That being said he has not exactly stepped up and made their decision hard. He is a bottom pair dman a best. He was ok to me. Some good some bad. He may be in line for a call up if injuries to the left side.

Did torts want TDA, I thought that was all fletcher?
- WhiskeyMan

I would imagine if he didn the would have made his opinion well known. tells me he was on board at the least. torts had him on the top d pair and on the pk.

Olle definitely has had the hustle in the preseason gotta respect him for that

Has Ginning played himself out of NHL roster spot?
- WhiskeyMan

ug he showed some signs last season but now he's probably just going to play out his contract and go back to europe

ug he showed some signs last season but now he's probably just going to play out his contract and go back to europe
- 2Real

He looked like a viable 7th or 1st call up D guy last year. This preseason i am afraid he played his way out of consideration like Attard.

Hopefully a better broadcast than last game.

Glak link?

Hopefully a better broadcast than last game.
- Glak18

So far choppy as hell.

So far choppy as hell.
- MBFlyerfan

I haven't gotten any choppiness or lag so far

So far choppy as hell.
- MBFlyerfan

looks good to me

lmao nice missed high stick

Macdonald and Bonk overmatched

ersson looks good team looks like poop

looks like we're picking up from last year

they call that boarding but miss the high stick

They don't call a clear high stick, but they call a phantom boarding?

Not even close to the danger zone and I didn't even see a push, just incidental contact

Macdonald and Bonk overmatched
- wcorvette

Stop!✋️ 🫸 Another A Mac 😆 🤮🫣

Stop!✋️ 🫸 Another A Mac 😆 🤮🫣
- THE EVIL WITHIN

A Mac would be the best dman on this team

Forgot what a slog the Flyers are to watch. They can't gain and hold on to the puck. Chasing the game constantly. When they actually do breakout somewhat cleanly it ends up with a dump and chase or broken up at the blue line play.